What am I doing wrong. (day game approach)

[Suspens]

Received a call from her at 1:30 AM, My phone was on silent so I didn't pick up. So far we have talked only once and that was the first time I called her, and our conversation ended when she said she gotta go now and she would call me later.


So after a week she called me back at that odd time. I guess she is possibly attention hoeing otherwise why call at the time when everyone is sleeping?

Should I call back or ignore her and move on?

 

[No.Danny]

All I have to say is YOU NEED TO CHILL. Putting too much pressure on yourself, you reek desperation

 

[DragonBlood]

Received a call from her at 1:30 AM [...] Should I call back or ignore her and move on?

Yep. Return the call. Say you are just returning her missed call and ask her whats up. As Danny said, you are putting too much pressure on yourself over trivial things and using game to make excuses... oh shes probably "attention hoeing".

Good job dragon, would like to see your FRs posted on this topic. My main 'mental obstacle' is how people would look at me while I'm approaching. "Lol look at that creep with his d1ck in his hands trying to get some".

Not true at all, from another persons perspective 99% of the time it looks like you are greeting an old friend. How do you know that the people around you arent cold approaching? Its rare, and Ive only seen it twice in about five years.. and even then im not 100% sure... because when you stop to talk to a girl it is indistinguishable what the relationship is.

I actually tested this theory once and for all by asking out a cute sandwich bar girl when there was a very long queue of people behind me. Guess what, besides her going red in the face and having trouble stopping to giddy laugh, not a single person in the queue did anything or gave a damn.

Regarding my own "FRs" they typically just look like normal conversations. I get the girl to talk about herself, gain a better understanding of her logistics, background and status. If she doesnt live in the city or is visiting her bf I just turn it into a normal conversation, dont push for the number and let the girl go. Alternatively if she seems interested and I am enjoying the conversation and her vibe also, I will try to organise meeting her again somewhere, based upon what we were talking about.

You have to screen the girls and not view every interaction as a win or lose game.


Also, why is this the only lead you have right now? Keep the pipeline open! Mix in some new approaches.

 

[Suspens]

Not true at all, from another persons perspective 99% of the time it looks like you are greeting an old friend[/COLOR]. How do you know that the people around you arent cold approaching? Its rare, and Ive only seen it twice in about five years.. and even then im not 100% sure... because when you stop to talk to a girl it is indistinguishable what the relationship is.

I actually tested this theory once and for all by asking out a cute sandwich bar girl when there was a very long queue of people behind me. Guess what, besides her going red in the face and having trouble stopping to giddy laugh, not a single person in the queue did anything or gave a damn.

Man looks like you are an expert in this thing. Gonna read that 1000 more times and memorize. True, that's how it looks like to bystander, unless the chick is a headcase who reacts in a weird way or makes lots of noise, in which case I will be confused and don't know what to do? Run? Call her out on it and ask her to calm down? Apologize? Bu I'm just saying hi, lol. Why are some of the so nervous and hyper reactive?


Having that mindset yourself "approaching and old friend" also helps a lot in reducing the natural stress, leading into a more comfortable conversation and more rapport. Thanks for sharing.

Also, why is this the only lead you have right now? Keep the pipeline open! Mix in some new approaches.

Because of that.


I'm still going out 3 days in a week at least though. Hopefully applying your theory next, who care what other people think. White knights trying to beat me because I am talking to a girl? nah.

 

[DragonBlood]

Why are some of the so nervous and hyper reactive?

Having that mindset yourself "approaching and old friend" also helps a lot in reducing the natural stress, leading into a more comfortable conversation and more rapport. Thanks for sharing.

Its very powerful Im glad you are getting value from it. Ive actually made good friends from cold approach so it becomes second nature with more experience. Give it a try and your results will go way up. You will start to wonder what you were so worried about.

Regarding nervous or over reactive girls. This almost NEVER happens, like ever. And even if it did I would probably find it funny. If a girl is anti social, you have to question why you would want to be with her in the first place. Sometimes the girl disqualifies herself from being relationship material.. nothing to do with you. You can only improve yourself, dont expect every single girl out there to be a perfect 10 in personality with strong social skills if they spend the majority of their time indoors scrolling through facebook.

If you bring yourself up in the game, the most attractive and well rounded girls, the ones worthy of your time, will naturally be drawn to you.

Because of that.

I'm still going out 3 days in a week at least though. Hopefully applying your theory next, who care what other people think. White knights trying to beat me because I am talking to a girl? nah.

hahahaha infatuation that had me laugh my balls off. This is why I set you the challenge that you are not allowed to go home until you have three numbers. Otherwise you will become infatuated and totally over blow the 'one' number.

Out of curiosity what places are you going out too? I would enjoy helping you out in person, that would be a blast, but since I cant do that if you describe the places you go to I should still be able to help you on how to open them. Definitely put up some new approaches and celebrate the small victories, I think you are going to see some big changes very quickly with your new approach mindset. Take action!

 

[corrector]

I've looked at both the images and I find it hard to believe that someone with your looks has problems pulling women, and would almost be inclined to believe this is some troll thread. You are white, full black hair, and have that Western European look. You seem to be going after hb 9's and 10's.

How do you normally pull chicks? What type of game are you good at? Are you trying out cold approaches as a new hobby? What's your ceiling? Can you get an hb5, hb6, hb7 with the same method, or what type of girls throw themselves at you without effort?

 

[Suspens]

hahahaha infatuation that had me laugh my balls off. This is why I set you the challenge that you are not allowed to go home until you have three numbers. Otherwise you will become infatuated and totally over blow the 'one' number.

Haha. Actually I'm getting better regarding oneitis etc .After I had a missed call from that new chick @ 1:30 AM, I called her the next nightand she didn't answer, wtf? I don't care and I'm not waiting for her call. Definitely an AW or too shy. My bet is on the former.

Back in the day(A few months ago), If a girl I liked and wanted to date her ignored my call I would panic and keep calling her like a nutbag, not anymore. I still memorized her number which was a retarded mistake lol.

I've looked at both the images and I find it hard to believe that someone with your looks has problems pulling women, and would almost be inclined to believe this is some troll thread. You are white, full black hair, and have that Western European look. You seem to be going after hb 9's and 10's.

He looks far from that, he has a typical spanish look. As for exclusively going for 9-10, I have to thank watching pr0n too much. That sh1t ****ed up my brain chemistry.

1.How do you normally pull chicks? 2.What type of game are you good at? 3.Are you trying out cold approaches as a new hobby? What's your ceiling? 4. Can you get an hb5, hb6, hb7 with the same method, or what type of girls throw themselves at you without effort?

1. Making jokes or some overly agressesive comments "your eyes look gorgeous, you can be my GF if you want" etc
2.C&F, sometimes it works, sometimes they react like neurotic psychos.
3.As a half time job actually, I'm too desperate.
4.Yes much easier. If by "throw themselves at you" you mean checking meout and staring, it's something between 6-7.5s

 

[corrector]

Haha. Actually I'm getting better regarding oneitis etc .After I had a missed call from that new chick @ 1:30 AM, I called her the next nightand she didn't answer, wtf? I don't care and I'm not waiting for her call. Definitely an AW or too shy. My bet is on the former.

Back in the day(A few months ago), If a girl I liked and wanted to date her ignored my call I would panic and keep calling her like a nutbag, not anymore. I still memorized her number which was a retarded mistake lol.

He looks far from that, he has a typical spanish look. As for exclusively going for 9-10, I have to thank watching pr0n too much. That sh1t ****ed up my brain chemistry.

I'm sorry, you said "he" looks far from that. That is not your picture? You claimed it was your picture at the beginning of the thread and this was an important factor in determining what was wrong with your game.

If that is not you, then who is "he", and how do you look like?

1. Making jokes or some overly agressesive comments "your eyes look gorgeous, you can be my GF if you want" etc
2.C&F, sometimes it works, sometimes they react like neurotic psychos.
3.As a half time job actually, I'm too desperate.
4.Yes much easier. If by "throw themselves at you" you mean checking meout and staring, it's something between 6-7.5s

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You don't really sound desparate, IMO, if you can pull 7.5's effortlessly and you are saying porn has fried your brain so you can only deal with 9's or 10's, then I don't get that the deal is. Not many people on this site can pull 9's or 10's without some tight game. Your cold approach is not tight game.

First of all, a woman has to reject you more than once and you have to press on. (i.e. she doesn't want to give you her number, you insist she puts it on, she says f-off, you ask her if she's always that rude or how was she raised, etc....?). What she says doesn't effect your value, it lowers hers, and she's disqualifying herself from you as a decent lady, and you want to project that frame. Guys that know what they are doing know how to deal with these sh1t tests.

There is a saying called make the hoe say no.

I mean, you have to act like you are totally not intimidated by them or their rejection and it's like a whatever to you, I can read you and I'm not taking this seriously.

Sort of like how an exorcist casts a demon out of a person and that demon says stuff or does stuff that would scare off someone who is not skilled at exorcisms. A good exorcist would not be afraid of the demon, he would just cast it out after interrogating it to find out how it got there.

Now, as crazy as it sounds. Some of these girls have devils inside them. You probably don't want to deal with them anyway if they are always behaving as though they are possessed. A normal woman would behave nicely anyway.

Also drinking green tea can be beneficial because of the Theanine and maybe it will help with the anxiety.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theanine

You have to show these hb 9's and 10's that you are above their level, you are not intimidated by their sh1t tests and that they are a joke to you.

 

[DragonBlood]

Warm Up: Light chat with friendly HB8 at the deli.


Approach 1: Lunchtime. Notice someone reading a book in the restaurant sitting on their own. HB7 30ish

DB: Are you waiting for someone?
HB: No
DB: Can I join you?
HB: Of course you can!
<chatting, bit of silence while I settle in>
DB: Whats your name?
HB: Sarah
DB: DB <handshake>
DB: I should get your name before my hands get greasy <buttering bread, you know, those little packet things>
<chat for awhile, find out she is married and has kids, just enjoy the company>
HB: I should get back to work, Thanks for lunch!
DB: Have a good day

As you can guess, I never eat alone in these situations and actually get dates and friends this way quite frequently.


Approach 2: Around 3ish, notice someone sitting in the grass, shoes off, having lunch. HB8 21yo

DB: Are you waiting for someone?
HB: No
DB: Can I join you?
HB: Yes
DB: Whats your name?
HB: Sarah
DB: DB <handshake>
<I also take off my shoes, we chat for awhile, she offers to go halfs on a banana with me, turns out shes an intern just passing through for afew months>
DB: Do you have a boyfriend?
HB: Yes he is travelling to visit me this week
<more chatting>
DB: Do you want to go to the market tomorrow? (plow ahead)
HB: Yes sounds like fun, do you mind if my bf comes? (previously mentioned her bf had nothing to do on his trip but wait around)
DB: no
<exchange numbers, agreed on place and time, exit>

In the past I would have given up and walked away from something like this, but now I am more than happy to gather social proof and "female friends" to get new circles. It actually helps you alot. Approaches become "win win". It turns out shes one of my friends friends and this got around (in a good way) VERY fast, like within an hour ahahaa. This is why its important to be cool and burn no bridges.


Approach 3: Waiting at the bus stop, sit beside a 8.5 25ish, notice her glancing me (at least I thought so, didnt even plan to open her it just happened automatically because I was in a chatty mood and looking forward to the market trip this week with HB8 and her bf).

DB: Hey were you looking at me?
HB: (surprised)
DB: Whats your name?
HB: Sarah
DB: DB <handshake>
<chat for awhile, but she is only giving short answers and no questions about me back, I am carrying the whole conversation... cant get her to invest or chase so I stop and ignore her>
(she sits there, arm under chin, frowning and messing with her phone)
(5min silence)
HB: (as shes leaving for her bus, she stops) Good bye
DB: Bye now!
<wasnt expecting a goodbye after sitting in silence, just expected her to walk off. Good sign I guess>

Maybe if I opened with the weather as usual things would have gone better, who knows, direct is good too. As this girl is on my bus route, and clearly wasnt in the mood to talk, I just let it go. This shows social intelligence and gains respect. In the very rare chance I see this girl again I have at least left the door open for her to be friendly towards me. Funny thing was I could clearly see a HB7 sitting right next to her listening in on the whole thing, could of been her friend.


I dont have alot of time to commit to cold approach like OP at the moment, so I just pepper it in where I can for inspiration.

Step it up Suspens. You should be doing more aggressive approaches, alot more approaches than me and refusing to go home without three numbers/dates. I am still waiting for you to tell me where you are approaching girls to see how feasible that actually is. If there are any events coming up though which have high volume of people you should be able to get tons of new numbers in one day.

 

[Suspens]

DB: Do you have a boyfriend?
HB: Yes he is travelling to visit me this week
<more chatting>
DB: Do you want to go to the market tomorrow? (plow ahead)
HB: Yes sounds like fun, do you mind if my bf comes? (previously mentioned her bf had nothing to do on his trip but wait around)
DB: no
<exchange numbers, agreed on place and time, exit>

Haha did you guys actually meet? Good job with your approaches man. Yeah probably none led to lays, but the interactions help keeping you in game.

Step it up Suspens. You should be doing more aggressive approaches, alot more approaches than me and refusing to go home without three numbers/dates. I am still waiting for you to tell me where you are approaching girls to see how feasible that actually is. If there are any events coming up though which have high volume of people you should be able to get tons of new numbers in one day.

On crowded streets, during daytime. I have given up kinda, after I failed with that chick. I'm busy looking for a house/flat. I have to move out of my mom's house. That's my number one priority right now. And after that I will be busy getting a driving license.

You claimed it was your picture at the beginning of the thread and this was an important factor in determining what was wrong with your game.

If that is not you, then who is "he", and how do you look like?

I didn't claim I'm Antonio Banderas. That guy is pretty famous so why would I make such a wild claim.

If that is not you, then who is "he", and how do you look like?

As mentioned in my OP, I look like Antoni Banderas. Specially that photo.

You don't really sound desparate, IMO, if you can pull 7.5's effortlessly

Nah. Maybe intitially yes, but I fail at getting a date or getting them to invest in the interaction.

First of all, a woman has to reject you more than once and you have to press on.

I bail out at first sign of disinterst/Sh1t-testing. I am being either too lazy/weak or maybe I've had enough. Why pursue someone who doesn't give a fvck about your existence.

There is a saying called make the hoe say no.

I mean, you have to act like you are totally not intimidated by them or their rejection and it's like a whatever to you, I can read you and I'm not taking this seriously.

I know what you mean. That works and increases their curiosity.

 

[The_411]

The key to getting good at approaching is getting to the point that you actually enjoy approaching and aren't trying to get through your schtick just to say hey I approached. Sure early on it doesn't matter if you're just working on talking to 50 women just to get through the boot camp, but ultimately things need to be organic. Women want to be approached. They just want men to approach them in a way that makes them curious/intrigued.
This is why what you say doesn't mean as much as how you say it.

 

[DragonBlood]

Haha did you guys actually meet? Good job with your approaches man. Yeah probably none led to lays, but the interactions help keeping you in game.
On crowded streets, during daytime. I have given up kinda, after I failed with that chick. I'm busy looking for a house/flat. I have to move out of my mom's house. That's my number one priority right now. And after that I will be busy getting a driving license.

Yeah we met. It was awkward as sin haha. The bf held onto her hand the whole time. The girl seemed enthusiastic either way. I was friendly to both, I think I came off a bit colder than before as there was no way to escalate. I actually felt kind of bad later, as a guy like me doesnt need to break up happy couples. I could probably take her to the market again when her bf leaves though if I really wanted. As I discovered if you can get a girl to agree to do something, she is 100 times more likely to agree to it again and again as its in her comfort zone now.

Focusing on a new place and a driver license is a very good idea. This will sky rocket your confidence. So I recommend putting your focus there... for now. When your settled though, dont use it as an excuse to not approach in a month or twos time. When you move out and do you own shopping you will have a new venue btw. The super market. Asking out girls that are also shopping is a great way to go, asking for their thoughts on the shop, products etc. I believe corey wayne hits the super market exclusively just as part of his day because its a passive way to meet girls. Calling himself a dating coach though I dont agree with his half hearted effort, hes OK. I always push for new reference experiences to get a bigger picture.


Picking girls off the street is the hardest type of cold approach you can do. Try going into one of the coffee shops on these streets and have tea with a stranger following the examples I put up. Also be friendly and chat to the staff, you can get to know these people over time. If you are moving away from home being able to have lunch/coffee with strangers is a skill that will be useful to you.

Once you are "warmed up" try looking for girls just sitting around on the streets. I usually call these "bench girls". Follow the same process as you did in the coffee shop. Sit down beside them after introducing and chat for a bit. Maybe offer to take them for a walk to somewhere cool near by if they have the option to do so.

As for the most difficult, moving girls, understand that they are in their own little world and it can be hard to snap them out.. so dont be discouraged about this if rejection is high. Most have headphones in or think you are trying to sell something at first. Starting out if you are new to this, just ask for directions until you are better at stopping girls (the hardest part). Once you get past that something like this is usually good:

DB: Excuse me (wait for her to stop)
DB: You are attractive/I like your <thing>, lets go out this week (setting the tone quickly, she is in a hurry)
HB: bla bla bla (I have a bf or some other excuse)
DB: Whats your name? (regardless of answer plow through)
HB: Sarah
DB: Im DB (handshake)
(kind of change subject and find out more about her, use your skill on the bench girls from earlier to improvise from here)

If you know where they are going, walk them. I generally try to stop the set and stay grounded though. This gives the girl an option to walk away and makes you less threatening. If its a large group of girls you dont really need to entertain the other girls unless they jump into the conversation. A good curve ball to throw out there is "So how do you know each other?", but again only if they are interfering.

From what you are describing you are exiting too fast. I use to do that, but Im way more flexible now. Just plow through and show some balls.

The Streets - I break it into four types

* Deli girls - great to warm up. May even drop IOIs in time and see you as a regular, be careful though, if you ask one out and it doesnt work out you could lose the venue. Made this mistake before with a waitress at one of my favorite diners. Oops! Its like asking out co-workers. Be aware of the difference between staff girls who have to be there, basically they are part of the venue and the girls that are just passing randomly though.

* Lunch/Coffee girls - easy approach, VERY high chance of numbers and dates. Takes alot of your time though but almost always convert to friendships/dates etc in my experiance. If you meet a girl having her early morning coffee and you hit it off, there is a good chance you could get her to go out with you after work that day.

* Bench girls - intermediate approach, Some will make excuses to leave but generally they play out similar to the lunch chat. Its somewhere between the two extremes, easy to move to a new location and take on a mini-adventure (increases investment).
** Bus girls - sub category of "bench girls". Only difference is you cant move them very much at all (one side of the stop to the other I guess), and you have to go for the number very fast. Easy to do by explaining the time restraint and wanting to meet her again.

* Moving girls - hardest approach, unless you can stop them and pull them into your world its not happening. Move fast and plow hard. On the plus side you can go through alot of these with almost no investment on you. Low investment low reward... the so called "numbers game". If Im just doing moving girls... I usually listen to rock/rave music beforehand to set the mood and get me pumped. If Im going to play numbers game you need dominance/confidence and strong resistance to rejection. A good trick is to try to spin them or just play around, not take it too seriously. Whatever way you go about it, you always have to warm up to get the most out of moving girls. Its by far the most aggressive approach, where you normally "relax in" to bench girls by comparison.

Some guys take the aggression vibe a bit far, a spin or some physical leading is sufficient. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCvBpCg0x5U

 

[Suspens]

Focusing on a new place and a driver license is a very good idea. This will sky rocket your confidence. So I recommend putting your focus there... for now. When your settled though, dont use it as an excuse to not approach in a month or twos time. When you move out and do you own shopping you will have a new venue btw. The super market. Asking out girls that are also shopping is a great way to go, asking for their thoughts on the shop, products etc. I believe corey wayne hits the super market exclusively just as part of his day because its a passive way to meet girls. Calling himself a dating coach though I dont agree with his half hearted effort, hes OK. I always push for new reference experiences to get a bigger picture.

Yes, I'm moving out this week. Next goal is to get my license. But in the meanwhile I approached 3-5 HB7+ chicks, the routines were predictable and the same old thing. Anyway this is how they went:

ME: Hey can you pull out your earbuds
HB9: what?!
ME: Pull out your earphones, I'm asking for your opinion
HB9: Ok.
ME: Is it true that if a girl is attracted to a guy...
HB9: uh humm [kinda interrupted me]
ME: .... that if a girl is attracted to a guy, a simple smile could start a new friendship. That smile means they like each other.
HB9: Yes, But I don't find you attractive. [Rough translation, as it is evident from my grammar, English is not my native language, She basically meant I don't like you etc]
ME: Oh why hide your feelings. When I approached you, you were quite nervous, you kept touching your hair, blushing. I know you like me, save my number we could be really nice friends.
HB9: Oh haha really? You think so? Please move along. My dad is waiting for me there, thank you.
ME: Why? You could introduce me, say for example "Hey dad, this hot guy is Mr.Future Husband"
HB9: Please move along, thanks. [No laughter or anything]
ME: Ok, no need to cry, I'm going my own way.
--------- Hazel eyes, 36DD naturals and slim type. Most boys were staring at her or threw some stupid comments and then kept walking their own paths as if they were escaping in order to not face her reaction/rejection. I decided to approach and stay in the set as long as my nerves allowed. There was another girl who was walking behind us and she was watching the whole failed 'pickup' process, and she was smiling at me when I looked back lol. She was with her mom though.

HB7: *Checking me out and walking close besides me
Me: Hey can I ask your opinion
HB7: No, don't ask anything please.
Me: But I believe we like each other.
HB7: Move along sir.
Me: Why? We can become really good friends.
HB7: Do I HAVE TO REPEAT MYSELF? Move along
Me: Haha, no need to cry. I'm going my own way. But let me look into your eyes for one last time [Her friend bursted into laughing but the hoe was nervously holding back her laughter]
- Green eyes, natural blonde hair, no tits and a curvy body. Was with her friends and her friend kept smiling while we were talking. After 5 minutes of moving forward, I looked back and they were still 25 meters behind me and smiling. I moved to the other side of the street as it was awkward.

Me: Hey, I just bought this perfume. How does it smell in your opinion? [Waved my hand in front of her nose]
HB5.5: It smells cool. Seriously
ME: Thanks, you smell good too.
HB5.5:
/ EJECT



That's about it. I got a new haircut, got rid of acne and pimples on my face and now it is much easier to approach. Girls are more friendly and responsive too.

 

[corrector]

As mentioned in my OP, I look like Antoni Banderas. Specially that photo.
Nah. Maybe intitially yes, but I fail at getting a date or getting them to invest in the interaction.

It sounds more like no then initially "yes". Initially means they are willing to give you phone number based on your looks.

 

[corrector]

That's about it. I got a new haircut, got rid of acne and pimples on my face and now it is much easier to approach. Girls are more friendly and responsive too.

Would you like to post the "more friendly and responsive" interactions rather than those bad ones?

 

[Suspens]

Why did you edit and remove your encouraging words of wisdom?!


Mind you I'm living in a highly traditional society where 99% of girls deal with 2 or 3 boyfriends before getting married. Most of them are naive "traditional" sweet girls who end up getting dumped by trashy losers and remain emotionally scarred for a long time. So some bitter responses have something to do with that.


And actually it's a yes initially, as I perceive from their eye contact and body language. However the moment I approach and open my mouth it's pretty much over.

 

[Alexandar]

which is a surprise? youd do a lot better if you kept that mouth closed.



seriously though, i cant believe the dumb lines you spill to these women, just pretend theyre your male buddies, stop trying so hard, why arent you watching youtube videos on daygame?

 

[DragonBlood]

Me: Haha, no need to cry. I'm going my own way. But let me look into your eyes for one last time

This kind of thing is good. Its always good to end a rejection with a sense of humour as it keeps things fun. For me when a girl I actually like tells me she has a bf I usually put my hand on my heart and say "my heart is broken" with a smile and just plow through. Or something equivalent. Humour and changing the subject shows your more interested in the person than the outcome, and this often times leads to the girl inviting you to something or wanted to see you again (even if she isnt available for romance).

Looking at your approaches I can definitely see improvements and you are taking on more bolder sets. But you are bringing to much d!ck into the picture too fast. By bringing sexuality and a clear outcome in mind to the very front of the conversation, this can show confidence and desire, but whats really coming off is your need for validation. Its clear that you want the girl to just say "Ok, I like you, heres my number". If your still struggling to tone down sexuality, you would be better off just asking the girl out right away instead of asking for opinions. One in ten will actually agree on that alone.

Here is how my older approaches looked when I started out.

DB: Excuse me do you have a second
HB: ?
DB: You are very attractive lets go out this week
HB: Sorry I have a bf (or) ahahahah ok

It was pretty bad, but its better than what you are doing now which is chasing validation and numbers, begging the girl to accept you. I never ask my friends for opinions or tell them they smell good... not normally. Approach like your greeting an old friend.

Imagine you ran into one of your old friends on the street who you grew apart from 5 years ago. How would you approach this person? You would be friendly, ask what they are doing, what there story is etc, and if you discover you still like the person you would organise meeting up again later. That is generally how your approaches should look.

ME: Hey can you pull out your earbuds
HB9: what?!
ME: Pull out your earphones [...]
HB9: Ok.

See here? The girl did what you wanted and you didnt need any pickup lines. Then it all went to **** when she realised she was actually in charge of the interaction.

ME: Is it true that if a girl is attracted to a guy... (stop playing it safe dude)
HB9: Yes, But I don't find you attractive.
ME: Oh why hide your feelings.
HB9: Oh haha really? You think so? Please move along.
ME: Why?
HB9: Please move along, thanks. [No laughter or anything]
ME: Ok, no need to cry, I'm going my own way.

Here this is not what I call "plowing through". You asked the same thing three times until it annoyed the girl.. you were chasing validation. When I meet resistance I just forget it and change the conversation. Getting her to agree with your opener wasnt important at all.

As a side, I talked a little bit about warming up. HB5 looks like a warm up but came at the end of the day. I recommend going into stores and just having normal idle chat with deli girls and cashiers to get you into the flow of normal conversation.





DB: Hey can you pull out your earbuds
HB9: what?!
DB: Pull out your earphones
HB9: Ok.
DB: Whats your name?
HB9: Sarah
DB: Im DB (handshake)
DB: I like your shoes (for example) where did you get them?
(convo, remembering interests or anything we might have in common, get the girl talking)
HB9: Yeah Ive been into rollerblades since I was a kid
DB: Really you will have to teach me, why dont we go rollerblading this weekend?
HB9: Yes, But I don't find you attractive.
DB: So you wont teach me?
HB9: Sorry Im too busy (plow through, assuming she seems somewhat engaged in the convo and is not trying to exit)
DB: Thats cool, would you like to go to the market/movie/shopping instead? Ive been meaning to check it out
HB9: Sure why not
DB: (Hands phone over, ready for digits... once I have a meet up I dont ask anymore, I just give them the phone with the digit display up)
DB: I will text you my name.
(small amount of convo, roughly agree on day, exit)


If you talk in statements/questions instead of "opinions" and use a more commanding presence instead of pickup lines you will get alot further. So far as well you havent tried moving a girl to a new location immediately, or helping her with her task, this can prolong the approach and massively improve success. Your improving but you still want it too bad. Dont look for validation that you are an authority in the girls world, just assume.

 

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Why did you edit and remove your encouraging words of wisdom?!

The reason is because you said you changed your looks and had better reactions BUT YOU NEVER POSTED THEM. You cancelled out everything by that last line.

Why post all the bad interactions when you look your worst?

OF COURSE! Look your absolute best before talking to women to get better results.

Now what interactions do you have now after your make-over?

Mind you I'm living in a highly traditional society where 99% of girls deal with 2 or 3 boyfriends before getting married. Most of them are naive "traditional" sweet girls who end up getting dumped by trashy losers and remain emotionally scarred for a long time. So some bitter responses have something to do with that.

Okay so you are dealing with jaded women who have been there and done that. Do you really want that baggage?

These women are going to have to trust someone if they want to have a relationship again or they'll be spinsters. There is still going to be pressure on them to marry.

 

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which is a surprise? youd do a lot better if you kept that mouth closed.



seriously though, i cant believe the dumb lines you spill to these women, just pretend theyre your male buddies, stop trying so hard, why arent you watching youtube videos on daygame?

Suspens,

This is good advice.

Look at videos on daygame.

If you want to look at something funny...look at these two: It will stretch the mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZEaKS6-ixk

This guys gets numbers without talking. That may be more successful then what you are doing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTuBf4BrIgE

This guy's pick-up routine is to ask three honest questions and go straight for the kiss.

The c&f David D'Angelo style used doesn't seem to be effective.