What a woman's testing/drama REALLY means...

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The best thing you can possibly do when a girl starts to test and pull the drama sh-it.. is simply not to respond.

A woman should not be putting her man to the test. If she truely loves him she will support him in everything that he does. She is after all the "helper"

Quite frankly any women who tests is keeping a list of wrongs and rights. She is keeping score. Such a woman is not relationship material period!

If this is happening to you then you should tell her off for keeping score. Set her right with your power as a man and put her in her place. That is the natural order of things and the best way to be a man is NOT to act like a woman by sucking up to her.
 

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Congratulations AFCs, yes all of you especially those who spent more than five sentences saying something. You just failed Wyldfire's testing/drama. She just threw out something trivia and all of you decided to make it into a discussion.
 

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Ha Ha

Good one to the post above :)

Seriously, I used to give in to women when they tested me. I didn't know any better. I did exactly what wyldfire suggests. You know how well that worked for me? Well, I ended up on this site for some reason didn't I?????

Women just cannot give good advice to men on how to handle women. I've finally accepted that after years of fighting it and looking for answers in women. The first advice I ever got the worked was from men who were successful with women. Since that time my game (while far, far from perfect) has gotten 1,000x better. I can now keep women interested better, have higher success rates getting hot women interested in the first place, etc.

You simply cannot attract women by being a boring, typical man. They will accept you until something better comes along at best. It is a recipe for disaster, and I promise you it will not work out very well for you in a long run. There are times you can get away with using it, but more often than not it will burn you. Trust advice from a hardheaded guy that tried the very thing wyldfire suggests for years and years and years, it isn't the answer.

The answer to dealing with these tests is out there. You won't get the advice you need from women. Giving into the tests proves you are weak and unworthy of her time/attention. I do believe this is mainly instinctual, and perhaps that's why even wyldfire herself cannot see how self-destructive to men the advice she has given truly is.
 

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she is right..and I have been involved for many yrs to know she is right..I alsmot dont believe how skewed some of you are.
 

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I doubt anyone is right or wrong. That is just the way things are. You could be the best partner in the world but it doesn't mean that your relationship will work. When will everyone realize that being a good partner does not guarantee you success?

Success in relationships is very specific to the individual. Some may believe that being an AFC will lead them to success. And they very well may find it. Being a DJ could also very well lead them to success. Here comes the part where the individual then reflects on the odds of being successful with whatever method they choose to use. Dumb people complain and whine and wish for things to be better, intelligent ones contemplate and reflect in order to make themselves better.

So, if you really 'love' your girl and she's seeking for some attention, give it to her man. Otherwise, you don't really 'love' her. In which case, what the hell are you doing with her in the first place? Maybe she's your supplicating dog on a leash, constantly begging but always backing down when you raise your hand. If you like that for a partner, then so be it.
 

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The problem...

I see here is that it is very easy to mistake genuinely needing attention from a test. I guess I should've been more clear in my post. Giving too much too soon is a much greater risk than not giving enough.

I strongly suggest giving what you suspect may be too little, rather than too much. If you feel something is a test, you're probably right. If you believe beyond any doubt that she genuinely just needs attention, I guess in that situation I would agree to give it to her in moderate dosage and only as needed.

Notice in Wyldfire's posts how she defends needing control, though. Read all her posts 3xs. See how she insistently longs for the woman to be control of the situation? She insists that the woman will "force" you to pay attention "one way or another". Women cannot be very objective because, as wyldfire admits, they are driven in part by instincts that may be beyond their own perceptions.

Why is this important? Study the guys that trigger the attraction instinct and you too can have success witb women. No matter how many books they read, they still are not safe from their own instincts.
 

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Originally posted by DonJuanMonk
Congratulations AFCs, yes all of you especially those who spent more than five sentences saying something. You just failed Wyldfire's testing/drama. She just threw out something trivia and all of you decided to make it into a discussion.
Yeah good point, although to be fair I had to say something, I think up until I posted a reply to this drivel it was pretty much a bunch of drones (mainly frivoulous obviously) Hi fiving this chick and praising her "Oh your sooo right , I WANT to be drawn into her reality when she tests me, I WANT her to be in control, yes lets all be apart of her emotions and pander to them etc etc"

So yeah I'm guilty of entering this weirdos online reality but until the mods can spot this and lock it down straight away I'm not just going to sit there and smile am I?
 

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I was talking to everyone that decided to add to the drama including Wyldfire.
 

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Yeah good point, although to be fair I had to say something, I think up until I posted a reply to this drivel it was pretty much a bunch of drones (mainly frivoulous obviously) Hi fiving this chick and praising her "Oh your sooo right , I WANT to be drawn into her reality when she tests me, I WANT her to be in control, yes lets all be apart of her emotions and pander to them etc etc"

hey tit man...some advice..,mabye you should turn gay and start dating alpha male inmates..seems like the right kind of man for you!

I dont know what your weakarse is talking about..I cant even remember being tested...why did she break your heart? were you now MAN enuf for her tit boy... do little women scare you? aWWWW!

mommy I might get tested by a women today..OMG wat do I do!
 

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Let me ask one question to the people that are posting "Wyldfire is full of ****" essentially calling everyone who agrees a pvssy.

For those of us here who have been in happy LTR's, who see what she's saying...where it makes sense to apply and where it doesn't apply at all and would destroy your position in a relationship...your generalizing words seem completely worthless.

Women do have emotional needs. These emotional needs drive them towards certain men. Some woman’s emotional needs are fulfilled by tough crazy fvckers that spend time in jail. Some woman’s emotional needs are fulfilled by going to a bar and chatting it up with ****y jocks, getting their asses pinched, and flirting around. Some women’s emotional needs are fulfilled by romantic walks on the beach and don't like loud crazy social scenes. Some desire power, some fame, some a simple guy who is satisfied with what he has and loves her. Some required daily drama.

That's probably why people preach "just be yourself and she will like you for who you are!" line, which is fine as long as you're being a man (Showing backbone and strength, not giving in to everything she says and standing up for yourself with your own perspective and opinion so she will respect you), you're interesting (which has many different aspects), smart (meaning just as smart or smarter than her by a little), and funny (entertain her!). She must also do these things for you!

Working from the above as a BASE LINE what you can't forget here is while you're busy being the masculine man she wants deep down (which in my experience is "at _least_ always a _little_ stronger than her") you can't forget that there is another person on the other end. If you don't cater to her emotional needs to some degree she will remain in the relationship with you but be very unhappy and you will fight a lot. I guarantee it! Think about it, if your woman stops the sex what do you do? You get fvcking pissed and either A. Leave...or if you care B. Fix it somehow...usually by getting pissed, having a huge fight, then making up.

If she needs travel, someone to say they care about her, and great sex to feel happy...and you walk her around the block once a week, never say you care for her EVER, and never get her off...she wont be happy!

How can you guys not see this obvious point? Out of the 4 LTR's I've had (longest being almost 2 years, I've only had 1 bad break) never once has this not applied exactly as I've said above. If you want to experience a woman that truly loves you, and yes you can get a woman to that point, any women, you have to realize these things.

Catering to a woman’s emotional needs doesn't mean rolling out the red carpet for her every whim, it's being a man > being smart enough to learn what she likes and doesn't like > doing something AMAZING with her based on what she likes SOME OF THE TIME to keep her happy. You find these things out by talking to her and listening, not responding to a demand or a fight, $5 says every GF you have had has tried to communicate to you in some way that which she desires emotioanlly to be happy, you missed it completely, and as a result she became unhappy and you fought a lot until someone got sick of the other and you broke up.

This is not a post to defend Wyldfire, I could care less, but what she says does hold merit in the right context.

Everywomanshero’s second post above make s a lot of sense (first post he didn't have teh full context yet), re read it. She wants control, she DESIRES it but you can’t let her have all of it, 60% in your favor at least, some will fight for it…some will happily let you have it…and by not giving it to her she’ll love you, but you have to give a little to get anything in return.

Think about it!
 
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Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.

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Originally posted by Wyldfire
It's a cry for attention. How many times have you had a girlfriend start a fight or conflict with you over seemingly nothing where she also says "You never talk to me" or "You never (insert complaint here)"?
This is ******** for I love you .

The correct response is to just take her out someplace nice and then have a good night with her.
 

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This is actually the opposite of feminisism and feminization. For many years, it has been lost in translation and societal propaganda that men and women should talk as equals. Not happening.


I am not giving a cop out to women, but their form of testing is the ONLY way they know if you truly want them, like them, need them, and will care for them. And also, if you're man enough to be there for them.


Men lie, that's point blank a fact. They lie to get sex. They lie to get head. They use money to supplicate and get her into bed. They use booze to her frisky, even if it's one drink to encourage her. When men don't know a woman, and even when they do, we know the hot buttons to push to make them hot. Testing is the only way women know sincerity.


It's the "unspoken" language David D talked about, though he never elaborated on. And it's a real language. Anybody who realizes women don't think, feel, or act like us gets the fact that we don't talk or think the same. Our very hormonal make-up is just the beginning of this separation.


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Now, the message I'm feeling that's wrong is that, some guys are taking it like we have to ACCEPT that behavior. No. But realize it's who they are. Obviously if you don't like her, or you don't care for her, what she does, feels, or thinks won't matter. You won't care if she seems to be getting out of control on a small issue, because you don't care enough to deal with that, why would you EVER be there for a major one?


How often has a girl freaked on something small?


99.99% of the time it's small. And if it's a girl you like, the normal procedure is to say "baby, it's small, you know I love, it's ok."


Now, it might be small in terms of world problems and hurricanes and epidemics, but to her, as it relates to your relationship, it isn't small. It's big. It's very big, in fact. Because it comes down to how you 2 relate over such issues.


Will you be there to care for her?
Are you emotionally strong enough to deal with her waivering emotional state?
Can you communicate with her?
Do you care for her?


Many times, men will freak and boot the girl. And ya know what, that's a scar. She'll remember that. Because women remember the BAD more than the GOOD. Today more than what you did before. They just do. Logic doesn't work here because they don't get that logic. It's like computer programming in another language, it just won't compute.


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To a guy's ego, we want to drop the boom. We want to kick her problems to the curb, to not allow her to dump them here, to be headache-less. Ya know what? There's no marriage, or relationship devoid of problems, except those of john-prostitute. That's it. If you want to be that 50 y.o guy alone, without a woman, or thinking you'll still be pimping 18 year olds at that age, go ahead. But remember, the emotional state of that group of women will still remain the same, and so you'll still be without a companion at that later points of your life. To me, I don't want that.


This is about happiness. Most times, fights exacerbate the situations and get your FURTHER from sex. Getting you closer to sex is akin to wrapping her in a cocoon of comfort, positive emotions, and openness. This comes from being a TRUE MAN. Only boys can't handle women.


Even girls who aren't wicked sexual will be more sexual when their emotional needs are satisfied, because you're filling them, so it opens the doors for that sort of exchange.


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As men, we tend to think of the world revolving us, at least on SS.com. That everything is propaganda, or heresy, or some sort of supplicating tactic. Frankly, this is more about situations with women you care for, than those you don't. Sisters, mothers, grandmothers, female friends, anything. Even women at bars or clubs or bookstores. Any woman you meet only has 1 channel:


Emotion.


Remember that channel from Grand Theft Auto: Vice City? If not, check it out. Just music, though.


Later,



A-Unit
 

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A-Unit...you are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters. You're one of the few men on this site who seems to truly understand that you have to give to get and any relationship you have is only going to be as good as the effort you put into it and the effort you put into choosing the right partner for you.

I'm not easily impressed with posts. You've recently made two that have impressed me. Stick around...this site needs more posters like you.
 

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Even girls who aren't wicked sexual will be more sexual when their emotional needs are satisfied, because you're filling them, so it opens the doors for that sort of exchange.
agree 100 percent

and with the rest of ur post
 

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Re: Re:

Originally posted by A-Unit
This is actually the opposite of feminisism and feminization. For many years, it has been lost in translation and societal propaganda that men and women should talk as equals. Not happening.


I am not giving a cop out to women, but their form of testing is the ONLY way they know if you truly want them, like them, need them, and will care for them. And also, if you're man enough to be there for them.


Men lie, that's point blank a fact. They lie to get sex. They lie to get head. They use money to supplicate and get her into bed. They use booze to her frisky, even if it's one drink to encourage her. When men don't know a woman, and even when they do, we know the hot buttons to push to make them hot. Testing is the only way women know sincerity.


It's the "unspoken" language David D talked about, though he never elaborated on. And it's a real language. Anybody who realizes women don't think, feel, or act like us gets the fact that we don't talk or think the same.
Our very hormonal make-up is just the beginning of this separation.

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Now, the message I'm feeling that's wrong is that, some guys are taking it like we have to ACCEPT that behavior. No.
But realize it's who they are. Obviously if you don't like her, or you don't care for her, what she does, feels, or thinks won't matter. You won't care if she seems to be getting out of control on a small issue, because you don't care enough to deal with that, why would you EVER be there for a major one?



How often has a girl freaked on something small?


99.99% of the time it's small. And if it's a girl you like, the normal procedure is to say "baby, it's small, you know I love, it's ok."


Now, it might be small in terms of world problems and hurricanes and epidemics, but to her, as it relates to your relationship, it isn't small. It's big.
It's very big, in fact. Because it comes down to how you 2 relate over such issues.


Will you be there to care for her?
Are you emotionally strong enough to deal with her waivering emotional state
Can you communicate with her?
Do you care for her?



Many times, men will freak and boot the girl. And ya know what, that's a scar. She'll remember that. Because women remember the BAD more than the GOOD. Today more than what you did before. They just do. Logic doesn't work here because they don't get that logic. It's like computer programming in another language, it just won't compute.


-----------------------------------------


To a guy's ego, we want to drop the boom. We want to kick her problems to the curb, to not allow her to dump them here, to be headache-less. Ya know what? There's no marriage, or relationship devoid of problems, except those of john-prostitute.That's it. If you want to be that 50 y.o guy alone, without a woman, or thinking you'll still be pimping 18 year olds at that age, go ahead. But remember, the emotional state of that group of women will still remain the same, and so you'll still be without a companion at that later points of your life. To me, I don't want that.


This is about happiness. Most times, fights exacerbate the situations and get your FURTHER from sex. Getting you closer to sex is akin to wrapping her in a cocoon of comfort, positive emotions, and openness. This comes from being a TRUE MAN. Only boys can't handle women.


Even girls who aren't wicked sexual will be more sexual when their emotional needs are satisfied, because you're filling them, so it opens the doors for that sort of exchange.


---------------------------------------------


As men, we tend to think of the world revolving us, at least on SS.com. That everything is propaganda, or heresy, or some sort of supplicating tactic. Frankly, this is more about situations with women you care for, than those you don't. Sisters, mothers, grandmothers, female friends, anything. Even women at bars or clubs or bookstores. Any woman you meet only has 1 channel:


Emotion.



Remember that channel from Grand Theft Auto: Vice City? If not, check it out. Just music, though.


Later,



A-Unit
"As a man, you are well aware of your most significant need in a long term relationship...sex. Just as you have the need for sex, the woman you are involved with has the need of feeling loved. These are the most basic core human needs of men and women."

Pretty good speech, A Unit. But, some of things you said are extremely BIASED and stereotypical. First of all, women don't "test" soley to see if men will be there. Most women test men to see if they are strong emotionally aswell. Do you want to know how to fail one of her subconcious tests? by doing what you implied "giving in" and just to stick around and tolerate arguments over little things. A good percentage women like to complicate and add some drama, but most men don't want to deal with it everytime she wants to argue about something. Like you said, a good percentage women get freaked out over little things and are fickle. But, just to tolerate fickleness to most women subconciously shows her that he isn't man enough to speak his mind if necessary (push over). You and me both know that us males aren't robots and need emotion as well as women. Sex isn't the only thing on our mind and you should know this. Most of us (men and women) have a sufficient sex drive and want sex. Another thing that interested me is when you said "men lie to get [special favors] (sex)". That's a stereotypal comment because it sounds like you're saying "all men lie to get laid and such", I'm male, I'm not lying to women to get laid. It would have been better to have said "a good percentage of men lie". In addition, you made another stereotype comment "as men, WE tend to think the world revolves aroud US". Not all of us do. That would be like saying "ALL women like a jerk", that's not true. Not all women like jerks, but a good percentage of them fall for a jerk. On SS, It's not ideal to just give women the boot because they give you some slack. Some men will give women the boot for unwanted drama, but those men are called "players". I repeat, you know we aren't robots, we "feel" things aswell. No more stereotyping, that's why try to use phrases like "a good percentage" and words like "most" to do my best from stereotyping.

Now, Wyldfire, not all men find sex to be the most important thing in a relationship. Stereotypical comment by you. And not all women find "needing to feel loved" to be the most important. Stereotypical comment by you again. Some men, like most women, want more emotion than sex, some want a balance (like me), and some want more sex. Same goes for women. You intially made some generalizing comments and then tried to cover them up. Not good.:down:
 
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Good Post A-Unit. Makes alot of sense. :up:
 
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