We're too replacable as men

[bigneil]

Females are learning from a very young age that they can have many men n their lives providing them with everything they need and all she needs to do is F them every now and then.. this dynamic have made love and marriage obsolete and basic relationships damn near impossible

This I agree with and is my primary concern with my gf, that I am simply a part in a machine.

 

[bigneil]

There is a special room in hell for the engineers as SS who still allow double posts to happen in 2012 by using slow servers and 1995 "Don't Press This Twice" technology.

 

[garruk]

beliefs? these are from observations around me!


I just felt I needed to rant about hypergamy.

The only HB8.5 who has actually chased me, I left her sleeping by herself the moment she passed out. I think its ridiculous I have to go to such measures to keep being interesting to a hot girl. And I thought I gave her a fake number and everything. She still found me. This is the "push-pull" theory on a galactic scale, putting the very chance you even contact the girl again on the line.

In the same way men have been dulled to females around them due to slim hotties in porn, so to have girls been dulled to alphas. Every guy is learning game now, yo, and only the true *******s are keeping the young hotties by their side after one or two nights.

this is exact problem. all this "game" you're running is about tricking the girl into believing you are high value than you are.

the reason these girls leave you after 2 dates, is because then they find out you are not what you have been selling.

forget about game, and improve your value the HARD way. (hard work).

 

[garruk]

beliefs? these are from observations around me!


I just felt I needed to rant about hypergamy.

The only HB8.5 who has actually chased me, I left her sleeping by herself the moment she passed out. I think its ridiculous I have to go to such measures to keep being interesting to a hot girl. And I thought I gave her a fake number and everything. She still found me. This is the "push-pull" theory on a galactic scale, putting the very chance you even contact the girl again on the line.

In the same way men have been dulled to females around them due to slim hotties in porn, so to have girls been dulled to alphas. Every guy is learning game now, yo, and only the true *******s are keeping the young hotties by their side after one or two nights.

this is exact problem. all this "game" you're running is about tricking the girl into believing you are high value than you are.

the reason these girls leave you after 2 dates, is because then they find out you are not what you have been selling.

forget about game, and improve your value the HARD way. (hard work).

 

[garruk]

beliefs? these are from observations around me!


I just felt I needed to rant about hypergamy.

The only HB8.5 who has actually chased me, I left her sleeping by herself the moment she passed out. I think its ridiculous I have to go to such measures to keep being interesting to a hot girl. And I thought I gave her a fake number and everything. She still found me. This is the "push-pull" theory on a galactic scale, putting the very chance you even contact the girl again on the line.

In the same way men have been dulled to females around them due to slim hotties in porn, so to have girls been dulled to alphas. Every guy is learning game now, yo, and only the true *******s are keeping the young hotties by their side after one or two nights.

this is exact problem. all this "game" you're running is about tricking the girl into believing you are high value than you are.

the reason these girls leave you after 2 dates, is because then they find out you are not what you have been selling.

forget about game, and improve your value the HARD way. (hard work).

 

[garruk]

beliefs? these are from observations around me!


I just felt I needed to rant about hypergamy.

The only HB8.5 who has actually chased me, I left her sleeping by herself the moment she passed out. I think its ridiculous I have to go to such measures to keep being interesting to a hot girl. And I thought I gave her a fake number and everything. She still found me. This is the "push-pull" theory on a galactic scale, putting the very chance you even contact the girl again on the line.

In the same way men have been dulled to females around them due to slim hotties in porn, so to have girls been dulled to alphas. Every guy is learning game now, yo, and only the true *******s are keeping the young hotties by their side after one or two nights.

this is exact problem. all this "game" you're running is about tricking the girl into believing you are high value than you are.

the reason these girls leave you after 2 dates, is because then they find out you are not what you have been selling.

forget about game, and improve your value the HARD way. (hard work).

 

[LostAndConfused]

Honestly, it sounds to me like the only place where you are comfortable spitting Game at the "hot girls" is at the club and not through every-day interaction. How's your Day Game?.

My day game is pretty good. Although It's gotten to the point where I don't really need game any more to score HB5-6s which are the most attractive girls in my classes.

My value has risen to the point where I don't need day game to get with them.

But I don't have any hotter targets. I'll explain why soon enough.

Yes. After failing again and again, I learned and improved. I am now a True Prize.

No, sorry, you are not.

You are "a" prize, you are not THE prize.

What school are you gaming at? I don't think you really understand what it's like at a prestigious private school. As much as Harvard, Dartmouth, Yale, Stanford students complain, there ARE hot women there.

But these girls are with the real top dogs, at a status who neither you, me, nor anyone else on this board can attain.

You probably haven't encountered people like this, but they're REAL alpha males because they actually CAN do whatever the hell they want.

No repercussion.

Any crime they want to commit, their parents will pay it off. Their parents didn't just work at Goldman Sachs, they ARE Goldman Sachs.

Do you have that sort of freedom? I've experienced it first-hand throughout high school and college. I've stepped my value up with each passing year. But there's a ceiling. I don't have such freedom. That freedom is real power. Criminals and drug lords also have this power. Women flock to those guys too.

I'll give you an example:

One of these kids, two weeks ago, drunk driving on the high way, flipped his car over the median before landing on the other side. Luckily it was late in the night. What happened to him after he was arrested? Released, and no charges were placed on him.

Another one stole a lavish statue donated anonymously to the school. It was found in his pickup truck. No punishment.

That's true power. And the hottest girls flock to them.

We ALL know its also true idiocy. But these kids didn't really need to develop common sense because they know no punishment. The girls KNOW these guys are dumb as hell and sometimes rid themselves from the gene pool. They're the population in private schools that dies the most from drunk driving. But they still get more tang than my value can reach, at least this point in my life.

How do you compete with the guy who fly a girl to Manhattan to go clubbing for a weekend, or chill at his ski cabin? Talk about venue change as a game theory, jheez!

Bar and club girls aren't really exposed to guys like these, because that true reckless behavior attracts women like catnip.

That's what I mean by I don't think you understand. The HB8.5+ in ivy league schools do not even associate with other normal students.

I was fortunate enough to hook up with a slightly uglier one (HB7) within the same circles. Here's what her day consists of:

*Waking up in a hotel or lavish apartment off campus
*Driving or (more likely) being driven to campus
*Classes
*Frozen Yogurt
*Drive/Driven back off campus
*Chill at a country club by the pool all afternoon.

Even if you WANTED to day game her, even though she is GAME-ABLE, you won't even see her.

this is exact problem. all this "game" you're running is about tricking the girl into believing you are high value than you are.

the reason these girls leave you after 2 dates, is because then they find out you are not what you have been selling.

forget about game, and improve your value the HARD way. (hard work).

I'm actually offended by this. Huge assumption here.

I can safely say that my value compared to other 21 year old males is on the MOON. For the little amount of exposure I get as an isolated musician, I get paid alot to play music at parties. My looks are top-tier, I modeled at 18, some runway, mostly pictures (I'm only avg height), but quit when I realized it was making me insecure. I have a job. I've worked at great internships. What more do I need?


Assh*le game, that's what I need. That's the type of game I've used convince two blonde babes at a club to hook up with each other, that's the type of game I need to lock down the finer babes. And it sucks.

 

[LostAndConfused]

Continued.

Thanks for the responses. Unfortunately alot is assumed about me, my philosophy, and my game. Let me try to clarify.

1) You are chasing after for their looks, which is fine, but you also have to understand that in doing so you are basically opening yourself up to nutcases, gold diggers, and so forth.

I grow bored with less attractive women after the first time we have sex.

What else is there to look for, other than looks? Looks is the fundamental indicator of a girl's sexual market value. Women are all essentially the same.

They just react to things differently and have different interests. A neurotic won't react to heavy push-pull game very well. A shy girl might be intimidated by very direct game, etc. Some girls are into clubbing, others are into more intimate settings.

2) You are able to land women from a bar but not school? Why is that? You suggest it's because they are all looking for sugar daddies. There's is something wrong with this picture.

Assumption.

I can land women at school. Just not ones I'm very attracted to.

3) Most women of the ages 18-25 (especially 18- 22) aren't looking for a LTR so stop trying to get one those girls into a LTR.

Assumption.

I don't want an LTR. I want a more FWB type relationships where the game shares a couple of similar interests.

I have one currently but I'm not too attracted to the girl. I mean she's cute, but a little too innocent and young.

In about 2 weeks time she'll give me the whole "Let's be exclusive talk."

Ugh.

What I'm getting at is that you can't complain about a particular pond when you know what type of fish are stocked there. You just move to a different pond if you want different fish.

Amen to this brother, but it's not situationally relevant.

It's hard to get out of the pond of my school when it's very isolated geographically.

Kinda funny that a guy who just turned 21 is gonna tell me all about bars. Young men are low on the totem pole. Go after women who are distinctly younger than yourself, and raise your status in their eyes.

You're exactly right. I look young too. I remember at a bar a couple of weeks ago an HB9 approached me with the whole "How old are you, you're too young?" line. Unfortunately I was too drunk to remember my canned response, and tried some stupid sh1t with my/her ID. It no work.

This is key. My new philosophy is NEVER COMPLAIN about her behavior (this is listed under Art of Seduction: Beware the After Effects). She either delivers, or you are looking elsewhere, but one way or another you'll get what you want.

I'm not complaining about the behavior per se, I'm complaining about the utter douchebaggery I have to do to get the behaviors I want from girls.

Listen, I speak my mind to women, I don't censor myself. I will tease girls mercilessly. I will say things that they consider shocking, and can't believe I would say to them. But I don't consider that literally "treating them like sh!t" because it's all in fun, or just saying what I think.

[...]

Self respect > pvssy

I have options. Unfortunately given the small environment, spinning multiple plates on campus has ALWAYS blown up in my face in the past. So when one plate falls, I pick up another plate usually within a week.

Your idea is great, on paper. But I'm not talking the average girl here. Bombshow girls (HB8-9) are very used to the type of game you're talking about. You still think Game is a "secret art"?

And trust me, I KNOW your game works. I'm the teasing type too.

But MY ARGUMENT in this thread is that so many guys lay that game on her, or other types that we can learn about online. Only being a true douchebag can I keep them interested more than one night, and it's horrid.

 

[vatoloco]

That's what I mean by I don't think you understand. The HB8.5+ in ivy league schools do not even associate with other normal students.

Okay NOW I understand. All you had to do is explain it in detail, son! Shit, now I know why you felt like ranting. Life ain't fair.

Okay, so hopefully that's out of your system. Now what?

My advice to you is to not even bother with these HBs at this point. I take it that you're attending this school on scholarships, merit, aid, etc. and that you weren't born into money. Work on your degree, get good grades, graduate from this prestigious school and THEN bone all the HB8+s that you want!

 

[MAnthony1983]

Great thread, and I have to say I understand completely where you are coming from and we as men allow it to continue to get worse. Maybe not you or me personally but the collective gender is becoming more and more *****fied and more willing to put up with women's neurotic, entitled behavior and ugly personalities. Guys compete endlessly for the affection of the top girls and these girls get their pick of the sheep. As she sifts through the sheep-men, a bulb finally lights up above her lazy retard brain and she realizes that she can act like a ***** to the other sheep-men that she doesn't choose without consequence. The effect of this is astounding as it plays an important role in nature. These sheep-men will then begin to doubt their own worthiness and move down to the lower caliber of woman to try to find a potential mate. In the meantime a new pack of guys will attempt to pick up the HB 8-10 from earlier but the problem is, now even the value of the HB 5-7 has increased from the other girls leftovers trying to attract her. She now feels in her mind that she is an HB8, the HB8 feels she is an HB10 and the pathetic excuses for men that might in actuality be an HM8 now feels like a HM6. He has actually managed to decrease his own value through his actions and supplication. Sure, you now have all these so called "alphas" that don't give in or supplicate to women supposedly but what you have to understand is it's actually on a grander scale now. It's no longer about 1 drink or paying for 1 meal. Everything a man does is aimed at pegging down the hottest possible girl. Instead of buying a girl 1 drink, now the beta sheep-man will buy an entire table full of drinks at a club with a 500% markup on the actual value of the products he's getting. The beta sheep-man will spend money on a car that cost twice the amount of what it's actually worth just because the bit*hes he is trying to attract identify with the material label. If you want to turn the tables then you have to become that a**hole that you are trying not to be. Not a complete degrading, misogynistic jerk, but you have to be the man that will put them in their place, isn't afraid to turn your back and walk away, isn't afraid to tell them no and doesn't give a damn if she doesn't want to dance with you. Anyway, I'm beginning to rant but I think your post is more about the concern that it's going to continue to get worse in that more low value women will feel as though they have higher value and the actual high value women will have self esteem through the roof and you're right. Until "more" men step up and act like men, that is exactly what is going to happen. Woman are pursued because we as a pack treat them like a commodity, in turn they treat us like buyers at an auction. Do you part and remember, you are the man. You are not held back by emotional issues, laziness, lack of leadership qualities, *****y attitude but she more than likely is. And also remember that deep down inside, that 10 that you want is probably a cold, shallow, lonely little girl with some emotional discontent from the year when her daddy didn't buy her a barbie playhouse for Christmas or her high school boyfriend cheated on her with another member of the cheerleading squad. As a man, you were given the highest value on this earth by G_d, as a woman she was second in line. While you can treat her as an equal, never let her cut you in that line.

 

[Poonani Maker]

And remember...all their as5es stink if they do not wash, which brings you back to reality while fvcking them, no matter how hot on the outside. Also, once they get past 28-29, their faces become alien as they try to prop them up with various surgeries and contortions to gain back what they once had, attractability. The women who do not realize that they are 90% their looks, will learn soon enough past 30s when guys begin to look past them in a crowd or in line at the younger, tighter hunnies. That must be extremely painful for a woman who finally realizes that she's squandered her options during her youth by playing the field and hearts of many men who were being honest when they may have said/showed they loved them, just because they said/showed they loved them (not by monetary outflows to them, but by a connective feeling or passion or loyal friendship).

 

[bigneil]

Well, no matter how well we think we do, there is always the chance she'll meet someone she likes better. The key is to handle the breakup smoothly, and/or walk away before she has a chance to let you down.

Also, no matter how physically hot they are, you get bored of that part within a few months, and then it is more about connection and passion. Or you find yourself thinking "Man, she's hot - why don't I get turned on by her like I used to?"

 

[nightcrawler]

Stop being such a cry baby OP.

 

[5string]

I disagree. Men biologically are the expendable gender. Wipe out 50% of men and, while catastrophic, there's will still be plenty of willing sperm donors to quickly repopulate. OTOH, wipe out 50% of women and say goodbye to mankind. Ultimately, you may think you're irreplaceable (and that's a good attitude to have) but on a sinking ship with one more space on the lifeboat, guess who most likey will be left to go down with the ship.

I don't really understand why everyone is bashing on the OP so hard. He just came here to vent his frustrations....the "Man-Up" brigade needs to stop having a collective heart attack every time someone feels down on themselves and posts about it here. Don't worry, I'm sure ultimately the OP will keep pushing forward and improving himself inside and out. There's no choice really for any of us. Giving up is not an option.

OP knows deep down that if he wants a shot at the exceptionally attractive women, he has to be exceptional himself.....no way around it. It's just it can be frustratingly difficult, discouraging, and time-consuming to reach and maintain that point.

And yeah certain external factors that are outside our control can aggravate and make things 10x more difficult than they need to be. No need to deny certain realities and scorn/shame others for simply pointing them out.

I'm not bashing the op. No problem there. But what is it I said that's not true? Any one of us, for whatever reason, can go find another woman if the need arises. Better believe this.

There are many more gina's in the world. This is really simple. Until we all believe that they can be replaced just as easily, we're all just worshiping the greezy little hole between their legs simply because it exists. That's AFC at it's best.

 

[Down Low]

I have been trying to educate folks on the terrible male over population problem that directly cause us to be sooo replaceable to females.. The fact is that for every 1 female out and willing to mate there are now around 15 males out and chasing her to mate.. as we all know options are power and a females having 15 guys chasing her gives her allot of power and lowers her incentive to be dedicated tok one man or even make a proper effort to make relationships work..

Females are learning from a very young age that they can have many men n their lives providing them with everything they need and all she needs to do is F them every now and then.. this dynamic have made love and marriage obsolete and basic relationships damn near impossible

Actually, contraceptives and abortion removed all the consequences from fornication and adultery.

 

[rum]

Wouldn't mind if a massive war came along and wiped out 25% of all american men 18-32...could high tail it to canada a bit, come home and all of a sudden I'm a hot commodity!

 

[badboyjmm]

I know it's a old thread but I was pretty interested by the subject. I think the main problem is that when we get to a certain level of comfort, social awareness, financial stability, a good physique, we tend to have a entitlement problem. ie: (I make money, I'm well-dressed, I have a good head on my shoulder and all that, but I'm not getting the girls that I want)

Then we start to put the blame on those girls that are superficial, that are attention *****s, girls that are really pretty and that they are not down-to-earth about it. Further more, whatever the status of the girl, we know that she will get her freak on, the question is who is going to be the guy/the guys that will provide her with the d!ck.

When you think about getting girls, it's the same thing as the stock market. You buy some stock (talk to woman) and see if they pick up values (getting dates and sex etc) In my opinion we think that getting girls is similar to an investment to save money. We deposit money (work out, talk to girls, show interest, make money) then we will get the extra interests (sex, make out, dates)

Women are super unpredictable like the stock market, so as a man we cannot think that we are entitled to get anything from those ladies, although we are well prepared for those said ladies. Couples story to back-up my opinion:

- I was striking out hard in the super with average or slight-average women a lot. It was the manly at the club that I was approaching those girls(which is one of the hardest place to pick up, since the women know that men will try to pick them up) Then, one day, I went to the club to have FUN. I didn't think about the number of approaches I have to make for the night or anything of that. I got approach by a very beautiful redhead. We had a bit of a conversation then she left. I saw her again, made small talk, then we went to the dancefloor. 10 minutes later, we were making out like crazy then 10 minutes after that, I'm driving home to my place to bang her :rockon: I always thought that since I'm a chubby dude, I wouldn't be able to get a certain types of girls, I was wrong.

- My buddy was going out with this beautiful girl, she decided to move to NY to pursue a dancing career so she dumped my friends. Fast forward to a year later. She making decent money and she comes back to visit my friend. She's bragging about how this guy invited her to get coffee on the first date and that after, he took her to have a tour of the city by helicopter. Pretty high class if you ask me, but she ended up sleeping again with my buddy.

-He's average looking
- He was making less money than her

Still manage to smash her.

I was looking at a couple one time at the bar, the girl was sexy as hell ( about 5'5'', big tits, nice round ass and she knew how to dance, Italian with black hair, the type of chick that you would want to hit in a instant) She dances in front of me for a little while, but I was looking at her dude....

- Way overweight
- Not dressed properly for the venue
- So lazy that he couldn't dance
- I was clearly better looking than him, I'm pretty sure my car was better as well

But guess what, she was overly excited to grind on him, and she could have any man she wanted.

So really man, put your best foot forward and have fun, the rest will take care of it's self

P.S: We are replaceable as man, but females too

 

[Itsjustme]

It's really not this complicated, If you want to find a good woman, you've got to be a good man.

 

[DonGorgon]

It's really not this complicated, If you want to find a good woman, you've got to be a good man.

bull**** .. good guys finnish last..

 

[SteR]

bull**** .. good guys finnish last..

No, nice guys finish last.