Well Im just gonna ask you guys for some help with this one

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Well, you are doing a lot better than when you first came here so that's good.....

If you really like her all that much, I'd say to giver her one more chance for the lay, maybe two. But if you aren't getting anywhere and you still like her, she weakened you dude.

Honestly, whenever I feel someone starts getting me that weak, I pull away from them and force myself to get stronger and tougher, mostly because I begin to think what a pvssy I [may] have started to become and then get pissed off because of that. After all, anger is the best motivator.

 

[Between_The_Lines]

but I don't think she has any intentions of making me her beta.

If she's not treating you as her alpha fux, yet keeping you around, then she is making you her beta. If ever there were a fairly reliable litmus test to see which side of the fence you land on, it would come down to whether a girl wants you to cuddle with her (beta) or tear her a new one (alpha) once she invites you into her bed. She may not (consciously) intend for you to be her beta, but I assure you, somewhere in that brain of hers, she's taking notes (drives two hours worth to come see me...check - doesn't demand that I myself drive two hours in his direction to go see him...check - tolerates my flaky behavior... check - gets into my bed and obeys my command to keep his d1ck in his pants... check) The worse part about it is that here you are, stating that you don't think she has any intentions of betafying you, yet you yourself considered going full beta in order to get her just a few days ago. In any case, most if not everything that you've actually done is textbook beta behavior.

This chick legitimately has some things about her Ive never seen before in a woman

Such as? Something tells me that if you had dated (just to throw a number out there) 1,000 women, about 297 of them would have these "things" you are referring to, maybe more. You simply don't want to see what's transpiring and what you are putting yourself through to get to where you want to get (inside her pants), and so this is the narrative you feed yourself. Men hamster their way straight into a gilded cage over and over again, and that's a crucial part of what the red pill is all about - recognizing your own propensity to lie to yourself for the sake of money, status, power, and of course, as is your case, pvssy.

.....she was so nervous about meeting me up before the date yesterday I think she almost had a panic attack. I had to practically talk her into getting out of the car in the parking lot over the phone to meet me.

All that hustle for a couple of makeouts, a depleted gas tank, and no sex....

Two hours Prior to the date I could tell she started getting cold feet again and shes like do you wanna come tomorrow? I told her absolutely not. Finally calmed her down over the phone. . Then thirty minutes later she goes and draws a picture with my name in bubble letters and texts it to me and says I cant wait to see you.

What is she 12? The complete text should have read: "I can't wait to see you, CUDDLE BUNNY."

Maybe she's been raped in the past that's why she's so skiddish? Who knows ..I know she used to club alot in her younger days. I really have no clue what Im dealing with but I do like her Im not gonna lie. Shes smoking hot and fun to be around, Ive never liked a chick this much before IVe had sex with her.

You suspect she might be NPD, now you wonder if she might have been raped, you know she partied it up hardcore back in the day - how exactly is this a prize???

Captain, you're allowing your hamster to fly out of control. As men - more specifically, as red pill men - I'd say it is our obligation to minimize this from happening as much as possible, ideally from happening at all. Your emotions are getting the best of you, on some level you know it, and yet you are actively doing your best to avoid confronting it.

 

[captain55]

If she's not treating you as her alpha fux, yet keeping you around, then she is making you her beta. If ever there were a fairly reliable litmus test to see which side of the fence you land on, it would come down to whether a girl wants you to cuddle with her (beta) or tear her a new one (alpha) once she invites you into her bed. She may not (consciously) intend for you to be her beta, but I assure you, somewhere in that brain of hers, she's taking notes (drives two hours worth to come see me...check - doesn't demand that I myself drive two hours in his direction to go see him...check - tolerates my flaky behavior... check - gets into my bed and obeys my command to keep his d1ck in his pants... check) The worse part about it is that here you are, stating that you don't think she has any intentions of betafying you, yet you yourself considered going full beta in order to get her just a few days ago. In any case, most if not everything that you've actually done is textbook beta behavior.

I agree with what your saying. The funny thing is after the first date, she was going to see me the following weekend but I called into work unfortunately. She actually went out of her way to say she has no problem driving to see me. Prior to the second date, she even offered to pay for my gas money when I came out there. So she definitely viewed me as alpha at one time. IDK if its too late at this point to get the power back.

Such as? Something tells me that if you had dated (just to throw a number out there) 1,000 women, about 297 of them would have these "things" you are referring to, maybe more. You simply don't want to see what's transpiring and what you are putting yourself through to get to where you want to get (inside her pants), and so this is the narrative you feed yourself. Men hamster their way straight into a gilded cage over and over again, and that's a crucial part of what the red pill is all about - recognizing your own propensity to lie to yourself for the sake of money, status, power, and of course, as is your case, pvssy.

Honestly bro its just confusing to me. Lets say she is making me a beta orbiter, most chicks dont make out with their beta orbiters.



All that hustle for a couple of makeouts, a depleted gas tank, and no sex....



What is she 12? The complete text should have read: "I can't wait to see you, CUDDLE BUNNY."




You suspect she might be NPD, now you wonder if she might have been raped, you know she partied it up hardcore back in the day - how exactly is this a prize???

Captain, you're allowing your hamster to fly out of control. As men - more specifically, as red pill men - I'd say it is our obligation to minimize this from happening as much as possible, ideally from happening at all. Your emotions are getting the best of you, on some level you know it, and yet you are actively doing your best to avoid confronting it.

Im in bold above
You make good points. If she asks me to come over tonight and doesnt put out Im done with her. And if I dont see her tonight when her parents are out of town, Im not going to see her again unless she comes to me.

 

[captain55]

Update- her follow up text to me saying I had a good time with her was . "hey sweetie. Im really happy you came to see me, Im feeling much more comfortable now that we have hung out for some time. I really hope to see you again soon"

Yet she has not texted me back since. I was kind of hoping she would invite me over the next day to bang her since her parents were still out of town for one more day. There is a chance she is playing hard to get. But... I personally think three is a chance I might be in the friendzone, I use the word might because very rarely does a girl continue to make out with a guy she decided to friend zone, (she made out with me when she walked me out the door) .

The reason she cant flat out say she wants to just be friends is because even though Im not making her wet, my game is so good its confusing the S H I T out of her.

 

[pyros]

...you're just obsessed with the girl.

Go find another one who lives 10 mins away from you.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I have not texted this ***** in three days and she texts me first tonight out of the blue.

Me- "so are we still on for tomorrow?"

Her response "Id like to but unfortunately no. I just feel like we want different things in life"

me "so you dont want a relationship?"

Her "I do. Im just having anxiety about this lol"

.

Interesting how she actually admits to being nervous

Never had a genuine flake tell me that before

This would be enough for me to confirm she isn’t playing games and infact is genuinely confused about what she wants

I think she’s seriously self conscious about the age difference & the distance between you in my experiences this is more than enough to send a female haywire possibly explaining why she didn’t let you examine her hole after the first date ( personally if i knew i wasn’t having sex that night i would have made my excuses and left but thats another story)

I’m guessing she’s been looking for reassurance from you and instead you have been playing the game by the book....... acting indifferent

A critical mistake i have made countless times

women are NOT logical .........unfortunately that means they don’t run to a script which is why men have such difficulty figuring them and they’re strange actions out

Sometimes Being too “alpha” is too much for a woman to cope with.....ignoring texts for days and acting “aloof” can sometimes work against you

Sometimes you will meet women who need reassuring that you’re not simply there too shoot your load over her and then never to be seen or heard of again

take some of your walls down bro and connect with her fvck the rules , by the sounds of things your crazy for her so you aint got much too loose

 

[captain55]

Are you willing to be in a relationship with 2 hours distance between you?

With her yes. I haven't felt this way about a chick in almost a year and a half, Id dump my current gf in a second for her bro

 

[captain55]

Interesting how she actually admits to being nervous

Never had a genuine flake tell me that before

This would be enough for me to confirm she isn’t playing games and infact is genuinely confused about what she wants

I think she’s seriously self conscious about the age difference & the distance between you in my experiences this is more than enough to send a female haywire possibly explaining why she didn’t let you examine her hole after the first date ( personally if i knew i wasn’t having sex that night i would have made my excuses and left but thats another story)

I’m guessing she’s been looking for reassurance from you and instead you have been playing the game by the book....... acting indifferent

A critical mistake i have made countless times

women are NOT logical .........unfortunately that means they don’t run to a script which is why men have such difficulty figuring them and they’re strange actions out

Sometimes Being too “alpha” is too much for a woman to cope with.....ignoring texts for days and acting “aloof” can sometimes work against you

Sometimes you will meet women who need reassuring that you’re not simply there too shoot your load over her and then never to be seen or heard of again

take some of your walls down bro and connect with her fvck the rules , by the sounds of things your crazy for her so you aint got much too loose

Bro I slept in this woman's bed and kept my underwear on the whole time. How much more reassurance does she need? She even said she feels much more comfortable now that we hung out for some time so I feel like my job is done.

I feel like Im a foot away from being put in the friendzone forever, or worse...her losing all respect for me.

Some chicks aren't even worth the headache when it comes to banging her and she is definitely one. But I genuinely do want a relationship with her. Not too many chicks out there who you genuinely like being around if your not ****ing....shes one of them. That's why Im chasing her so hard...Ive searched a long time for a connection with a chick like this.

 

[VladPatton]

I have not texted this ***** in three days and she texts me first tonight out of the blue.

Me- "so are we still on for tomorrow?"

Her response "Id like to but unfortunately no. I just feel like we want different things in life"

Hahaha, damn, man. You should of just blocked and deleted right then and there. That reply sounded like she was ending a 10 year romance!

Chicks be fûcking nuts, yo.

 

[Infern0]

If you start dating, let us know how it goes.

Too far IMHO, unless one of you will move

I think he needs to check his emotional **** before he starts "dating" I can already see this one falling over pretty quick.

 

[captain55]

She hasn't texted me back fellas. All because I didn't respond to that ****ing text IMO. I didn't see the need to respond to that text message when she said she hopes to see me soon but I guess I should of.

Im tempted to call her work up and ask for her, I need to talk to her on the phone and hear her angelic voice.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Im tempted to call her work up and ask for her, I need to talk to her on the phone and hear her angelic voice.

I've been following along this thread, and I can honestly say that you haven't crossed the line yet with losing dignity, though you were on the border. But now you just went way overboard with that last statement bro. Like WAY overboard. Grab hold of your balls and keep them. Get some backbone captain. Before everything you stand for is spit on by someone you 'love' and care about.

Come on bro, pull it together now.

 

[captain55]

"hear her angelic voice"

Dude, WHAT THE FVCK?

Are you drunk or just playing a lil game. Because if you are serious? You need to scrap your account, go back to square one and start again, re-learning as you go.

Yeah Im totally losing it. I actually tried to get her out of my head by hanging out with my gf last night but this married chick was all I could think about the entire time. Even weirder, I started finding things my current gf does annoying and unnatractive...things I used to find cute about her. Usually im pretty sexual but last night I was pretty much get the **** off me.

 

[captain55]

I've been following along this thread, and I can honestly say that you haven't crossed the line yet with losing dignity, though you were on the border. But now you just went way overboard with that last statement bro. Like WAY overboard. Grab hold of your balls and keep them. Get some backbone captain. Before everything you stand for is spit on by someone you 'love' and care about.

Come on bro, pull it together now.

to be honest I feel like Ive done everything right for the most part, I got a random facebook chick to meet up with me off the net. I escalated attraction and got physical quick, I actually did this twice successfully since we went two months without even seeing eachother between the second and third date I had to get her to make out with me all over again and you know how hard it is to pick up momentum after you lose it. Way easier to bang a chick after seeing her three weekends in a row....HEll I even got the date after she had completely written me off so my game was on point.

Ive just come too far with this one to turn back fellas. Even more depressing is that I had this broad in her ****ing bed and slept with her but didn't bang her, Not that I expected to that night but I don't know how Im gonna live with that.

 

[captain55]

Just found her profile on POF, its active again. I cant tell when she logged in last but All her pictures on her profile are pictures she texted me two weeks ago so its tough to say when it exactly went up. I mean at the end of the day I was the one in her bed making out with her this weekend so I cant complain but at the same time damn ***** why bull**** me and go out of your way to tell me you haven't been on dates with any other guy when Im not with you and you don't even owe me anything? (she actually went out of her way to tell me she hasn't been on any dates when I wasn't even on the subject)

The only logical explanation for why she is not texting me back IMHO, she met a guy Friday night. how the **** does a girl getting out of a divorce with a guy shes known 10 years make out with a guy friday morning (me)... and go on a date with another guy that same night? Hell Im a ****ing pig with women and even I have a tough time making out with two women in a 12 hour period if Im not drunk, this ***** doesnt drink at all btw.

Im really hoping I can bang her now so I can call her out on this crap after I bust a nut all over her face. Wouldn't be suprised if the "the divorce has been difficult" bull**** was just an excuse and she was seeing another guy the whole time.

She's hot as hell though, you know shes getting 100 messages a day on that thing I doubt shes contacting me in the future. She's just gonna have too many options..... I think she was so into me before because I was probably the only guy she was talking to at the time.

 

[captain55]

I hope you walk away from this after all these red flags, and lies.

Is that what you are going to do?

Well I can't prove she lied, all the pictures on her POF profile are pics she sent me two weeks ago. So I don't know when the profile went up, if I knew she joined over a month ago Id definitely never talk to her again but not if it was in the past few weeks when she started talking to me again.

Either way fellas you have my word I wont go see this ***** again, unless she comes to me. I can promise you that haha

 

[Thundernuts]

Either way fellas you have my word I wont go see this ***** again, unless she comes to me. I can promise you that haha

Even if she does come to you, I highly suggest you don't even entertain the thought of wasting more time with this girl.

 

[Between_The_Lines]

You are a full blown co-dependent, captain. As extreme as this may sound, if I were you, I'd probably dedicate at least an entire year to being single and building up an identity independent of any women. Odds are astronomically high that you will continue to face this same issue albeit with a different face over and over until you get this sorted out.

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Haaa.... Mauser properly sounding like Corey Wayne on this one. But he's right in most of what he's said.

 

[Infern0]

You've gone into full on stalky weirdo mode with all of this detective work. This girl is gonna mince you if you stay involved. You aren't advanced enough to hang with this breed of woman. Get out now.