We need to have a serious discussion about this "misandry bubble" in Western Society

[mellow_yellow]

Some time ago, I discovered a link to an extended essay called The Misandry Bubble on the sidebar of Reddit Red Pill. It was written nearly 9 years ago on Jan 1st, 2010. The author predicted that by 2020, this anti-male bubble will burst and result in a social correction between the genders. When the pendulum swings too far in one direction, it must eventually swing back in the other just as aggressively. The extended essay is a very long read, but very interesting. It's well worth taking the time to read through the essay as it puts into the perspective the feminization of men, "me too" movement, false rape accusations, and more pro-woman movements.

To summarize the essay, women are hypergamous while men are polygamous. Women date up and find the best mate possible while men date down to get as many women as possible. This is normal by nature's design. However, what modern technology has done is unleash women's hypergamy on steroids by removing nature's safeguards that normally keeps excessive hypergamy in check.

The author talks about "The Four Sirens" that have massively shifted the power balance to women.

(1) The pill and contraceptives which eliminated fear of pregnancy.
(2) marriage & no-fault divorce laws in favor of women
(3) female economic freedom where they entered the workforce
(4) gynocentric social engineering like social media, dating apps, "yes means yes" consent laws, #metoo, #believeallwomen, fat acceptance, etc. Inflated female value.

But, when this misandry bubble pops, "The Four Horsemen" of male emancipation emerge.

(1) red pill game, helping men deal with female antics
(2) upcoming adult entertainment technology such as AR/VR porn, realistic sex bots
(3) the rise of conservatism and expatriation, where society begins to fight back against liberalism and men leave western society
(4) male disengagement from work & society, where men don't see the point in dating or working hard when marriage and raising a family is dead.

Signs of a looming correction:

• Everything that's happened so far with the rise of dating apps, social media, political correctness, #metoo witch hunt, low testosterone beta males, rise of Donald Trump, etc. in the last 2 decades.
  
  
• The general sentiment about the dating market being horrible here at Sosuave and The Red Pill community. There's been a huge increase in complaints. Yes, more guys should "man up" and begin working on themselves...but "man up" to what -- cratered SMV women on the c*ck carousel?
  
  
• There's a 70% chance of recession by the 2020 election. It's interesting that it coincides with the misandry bubble prediction. We're very overdue for a recession and this one will be bad. This will be the 1st major recession Millenials have to deal while being underemployed with tons of student loan debt. A recession will knock young men and women off their high horse, particularly women as they have the most student loan debt. There's multiple bubbles ready to pop such as in student loan, government debt, unicorn startup companies, etc.
  
  
• Search "why is dating so hard" in Google and Youtube and you'll find a ton of men complaining in frustration in the comments. The rise of red pill and MGTOW.
  
  
• Nov 1st Bloomberg article on Millenial men missing in the job market. @MatureDJ made a post on this in an earlier thread.
  
  
• High SMV "Chads" like Henry Cavill hesitant to flirt and pursue women in this #metoo climate. Feminism killed cold approaches.

What now?

• There's nothing we can do about this horrible dating market. It is what it is. I predict that the LTR and marriage markets will completely freeze when the misandry bubble bursts, which will screw over women when more men wake up and walk away. We already see it happening.
  
  
• Due to social media and dating apps, mental illness will begin revealing itself in the young generation. Men are undervalued and depressed while women are overvalued and narcissistic. We're beginning to see our own version of "herbivore men" retreating into video games & porn and "sugar baby" women behaving like prostitutes in America. Suicide rates are likely to increase.
  
  
• If you're not a top 20% man and struggling with women, go soft MGTOW / monk mode. It's more important than ever to prioritize yourself over women. You must build up your life for your own well-being, especially when AI & automation will destroy the middle class. Lift, build your finances, stay healthy, pursue hobbies, and build the life that you want. Distinguish yourself from the average male who is invisible. Average men have become disposable commodities due to social media and dating apps.

 

[sosousage]

you should make a blog


i am young man myself and women hypergamy always made men chase success more and more..

they thought they have to reach something to get sex. like promotionat job/study something/get car/be poopular chad or alpha in city/whatever



now I believe many of them simply gave up and started to play games etc.


i dont play games but i had periods where i got SUPER addicted for month or two then left games for another year because i see how big waste of time it is.


but lot of people dont actually care its a waste of time and play them anyway for years

 

[AttackFormation]

I don't think there will be a popping of any "misandry bubble", for the simple reason that women don't care about men dropping out unless they are tall, handsome and well-off, or famous, and those guys will just keep taking it home. And they're not happy settling down with less than their high score man anyway, they've got sperm donors, egg preservation and fertility treatment, so going without Joe Average doesn't matter for their state of happiness. In fact they will breath a sigh of relief. I also think you may overestimate the amount of men who are or will be red pilled, they are much outnumbered by providers (of resources and validation) - an acute validation drought may have some effect if it ever actually became a reality, but it's not gonna happen and if it ever did it would reverse itself as men would increasingly "break ranks" to take advantage of the easier sex and improved attitudes until we're back at square one.

I don't see any "reckoning" or "catharsis" coming. Social media, online dating, birth control, modern transportation and social norms, are all here to stay (and as someone who isn't a right wing tradcon, I don't mind). If there is any relief, it'll come from VR, sexbots, and maybe sophisticated bio- and cosmetic engineering to change your looks if the former two aren't your thing.

 

[sosousage]

I don't think there will be a popping of any "misandry bubble", for the simple reason that women don't care about men dropping out unless they are tall, handsome and well-off, or famous, and those guys will just keep taking it home. Providers can be made do without, and they're not happy settling down with less than their high score man anyway so going without Joe Average doesn't matter for their state of happiness. In fact they will breath a sigh of relief. I also think you may overestimate the amount of men who are or will be red pilled, they are much outnumbered by providers (of resources and validation).

I don't see any "reckoning" or "catharsis" coming. Social media, online dating, birth control, modern transportation and social norms, are all here to stay (and as someone who isn't a right wing tradcon, I don't mind). If there is any relief, it'll come from VR, sexbots, and maybe sophisticated bio- and cosmetic engineering to change your looks if the former two aren't your thing.

damn you talk about that everypost you want that metal feel huh

 

[Who Dares Win]

I don't think there will be a popping of any "misandry bubble", for the simple reason that women don't care about men dropping out unless they are tall, handsome and well-off, or famous, and those guys will just keep taking it home. And they're not happy settling down with less than their high score man anyway, they've got sperm donors, egg preservation and fertility treatment, so going without Joe Average doesn't matter for their state of happiness. In fact they will breath a sigh of relief. I also think you may overestimate the amount of men who are or will be red pilled, they are much outnumbered by providers (of resources and validation) - an acute validation drought may have some effect if it ever actually became a reality, but it's not gonna happen and if it ever did it would reverse itself as men would increasingly "break ranks" to take advantage of the easier sex and improved attitudes until we're back at square one.

I don't see any "reckoning" or "catharsis" coming. Social media, online dating, birth control, modern transportation and social norms, are all here to stay (and as someone who isn't a right wing tradcon, I don't mind). If there is any relief, it'll come from VR, sexbots, and maybe sophisticated bio- and cosmetic engineering to change your looks if the former two aren't your thing.

What you say is totally correct, they simply dont register average joes let alone care about them.

The point is that their lifes are all based on how the average joe behaves, if the average men stop his favours wheter is homeworks or a lift at night they will get the first hint; when the average joe starts showing open distress toward them they will get the second...its a matter of time till a snowball effect turns willing slave living in cuck mode to resentful bastards who just stand up and moves away if a woman is attacked.

 

[sosousage]

What you say is totally correct, they simply dont register average joes let alone care about them.

The point is that their lifes are all based on how the average joe behaves, if the average men stop his favours wheter is homeworks or a lift at night they will get the first hint; when the average joe starts showing open distress toward them they will get the second...its a matter of time till a snowball effect turns willing slave living in cuck mode to resentful bastards who just stand up and moves away if a woman is attacked.

The fashion CEO is keen to stress she does not blame this man, who she desribes as being 6ft tall and of Southeast Asian descent.

She said she believes he needs medical help but added the incident was 'terrifying'.

Ms Cincik said: 'Children were crying and women were crying, it was awful. I wasn't crying I was in shock.

'I remain more angry with those white middle class men who left me to it. As fathers, husbands and sons they should be ashamed of themselves.'

LOL AT THIS, shes not mad at alpha who abused her, but shes mad at beta men who didnt help her. LUL



i always always into helping females when some bigger guy is attacking them but tbh i dont care anymore. nothing to gain, a lot to lose. its simply rational to stay away

 

[AttackFormation]

What you say is totally correct, they simply dont register average joes let alone care about them.

The point is that their lifes are all based on how the average joe behaves, if the average men stop his favours wheter is homeworks or a lift at night they will get the first hint; when the average joe starts showing open distress toward them they will get the second...its a matter of time till a snowball effect turns willing slave living in cuck mode to resentful bastards who just stand up and moves away if a woman is attacked.

Yeah, from what I've seen women don't really empathize with men. They may feel a general sense of sympathy for what a man expresses as a trouble in a consoling sense, but thinking of the world or a situation from a man's perspective is something that doesn't even occur to them. That's what the women here will say was the case for them until they stumbled on SoSuave, for example.

True, they may notice the favors with homework, lifts, food, rent, and whatever else drying up, but really I'm not holding my breath. We'll see

 

[Ranger]

This....
“The general sentiment about the dating market being horrible here at Sosuave and The Red Pill community. There's been a huge increase in complaints. Yes, more guys should "man up" and begin working on themselves...but "man up" to what -- cratered SMV women on the c*ck carousel?”

This is a major dilemma for men. What do they man up for?
Most everything a man does to “man-up” is about pairing with an optimized woman. It’s in their very fabric and that of a civilization.
I agree with the article in most parts.
Our wiring is that of protection and care of child bearing women that we pair with.
This is a rather large obstacle. Not so much for me these days as I don’t have aspirations of marriage or an LTR with one woman.
I would consider a LTR with two or more women. That changes the dynamic considerably. It’s more workable that way.

 

[Deep Dish]

...and if it ever did it would reverse itself as men would increasingly "break ranks" to take advantage of the easier sex and improved attitudes until we're back at square one.

You know how some women call themselves “red pill women,” those women who are sympathetic towards the plight of MRA. Turd Flinging Monkey, a MGTOW Youtuber, made the observation that women didn’t start coming to our side until third wave feminism. They didn’t really say anything during the first and second waves. As if they liked the “progress” of feminism, but only now do they think it’s “going too far.” This suggests they are starting to feel the pain of being deprived of the high value men they do want. TFM predicts that as MGTOW/lack of dating continues to rise, more women will start advertising themselves as conservative women, to lure men into staying on the plantation.

 

[mellow_yellow]

you should make a blog


i am young man myself and women hypergamy always made men chase success more and more..

they thought they have to reach something to get sex. like promotionat job/study something/get car/be poopular chad or alpha in city/whatever



now I believe many of them simply gave up and started to play games etc.


i dont play games but i had periods where i got SUPER addicted for month or two then left games for another year because i see how big waste of time it is.


but lot of people dont actually care its a waste of time and play them anyway for years

I have some friends who drink frequently, don't want to go out beyond their neighborhood, and play Pokemon Go. This is the rise of the man-child epidemic. I'm avoiding them now because I don't want to live a meaningless life of drinking at the same dive bar over and over again.

The incentive for the average man to "man up" to find a wife and start a family is gone. I sympathize with these friends, MGTOWs, incels, man-children, and herbivore men, but I'm unwilling to accept this for myself. I'll build up my life and refuse to date women if I need to, but I won't be defeated no matter how bad this misandry gets.

I don't think there will be a popping of any "misandry bubble", for the simple reason that women don't care about men dropping out unless they are tall, handsome and well-off, or famous, and those guys will just keep taking it home. And they're not happy settling down with less than their high score man anyway, they've got sperm donors, egg preservation and fertility treatment, so going without Joe Average doesn't matter for their state of happiness. In fact they will breath a sigh of relief. I also think you may overestimate the amount of men who are or will be red pilled, they are much outnumbered by providers (of resources and validation) - an acute validation drought may have some effect if it ever actually became a reality, but it's not gonna happen and if it ever did it would reverse itself as men would increasingly "break ranks" to take advantage of the easier sex and improved attitudes until we're back at square one.

I don't see any "reckoning" or "catharsis" coming. Social media, online dating, birth control, modern transportation and social norms, are all here to stay (and as someone who isn't a right wing tradcon, I don't mind). If there is any relief, it'll come from VR, sexbots, and maybe sophisticated bio- and cosmetic engineering to change your looks if the former two aren't your thing.

You may be right. There is a possibility that that the bubble won't pop and this will be the new normal of society that people won't blink twice at. In Japan, there's no solution for their dwindling population crisis and herbivore men. Then again, they're an Eastern society where Asian men are raised to conform to the culture.

America and Europe are Western societies which emphasize individuality so I predict that things will play out differently. If a critical mass of average men drop out from LTR and marriage, it will be a huge wake-up call to women. Women will have no choice to either share a 20% man in his harem or be forced to compromise and rethink their dating standards. I think when women hit the wall this time around, it's going to hurt way more than it did for prior generations.

I don't think men will run back to the plantation. They're lost and giving up in everything. If VR and hyper-realistic sexbots emerge in the next decade, that will fulfill 1 of the 4 horsemen factors that will eliminate many men from the dating pool. All relationship markets would freeze at that point not just LTR and marriage.

 

[mellow_yellow]

What you say is totally correct, they simply dont register average joes let alone care about them.

The point is that their lifes are all based on how the average joe behaves, if the average men stop his favours wheter is homeworks or a lift at night they will get the first hint; when the average joe starts showing open distress toward them they will get the second...its a matter of time till a snowball effect turns willing slave living in cuck mode to resentful bastards who just stand up and moves away if a woman is attacked.

True, average men are invisible to women like they're part of the surroundings. However, what the essay says is this — if more men become apathetic and resentful for unfair treatment, then the tide will turn.

The article you posted on the woman being attacked is an example of men refusing their gender role. To them, if a woman doesn't have to a woman, why are they expected to be men? A woman expecting a man to act like a man is sexist under today's identity politics. A CEO like her is a strong, independent woman so she shouldn't need a man to defend her. Why would the men risk their own well-being for a female stranger?

Not just men, but people in general aren't as willing to help others because there's no point in being a good samaritan. You only get more headaches getting involved in other people's business. Society is losing its sense of community and helping others, but that's another topic...

LOL AT THIS, shes not mad at alpha who abused her, but shes mad at beta men who didnt help her. LUL



i always always into helping females when some bigger guy is attacking them but tbh i dont care anymore. nothing to gain, a lot to lose. its simply rational to stay away

Same woman logic sh*t when I hear women villify nice guys as "not really being nice because they want sex" when they bang the Chad who literally doesn't give a f*ck about them and only wants sex. Hmm...

You know how some women call themselves “red pill women,” those women who are sympathetic towards the plight of MRA. Turd Flinging Monkey, a MGTOW Youtuber, made the observation that women didn’t start coming to our side until third wave feminism. They didn’t really say anything during the first and second waves. As if they liked the “progress” of feminism, but only now do they think it’s “going too far.” This suggests they are starting to feel the pain of being deprived of the high value men they do want. TFM predicts that as MGTOW/lack of dating continues to rise, more women will start advertising themselves as conservative women, to lure men into staying on the plantation.

I believe that's true. I've been seeing more Youtube videos of these "red pill women" and red pill channels are calling these women out. These "conservative women" are trying to rebrand and remarket themselves by feigning empathy. When you have no customers (i.e. eligible men), you try to change your marketing tactics. Unfortunately, I don't think a new marketing campaign will work when men are checking out of society and turning into hermits. Marketing only works when guys are around in society to see it. Books like Men on Strike by Dr. Helen Smith talk about the exodus of men who no longer have the motivation to become productive members of society.

 

[longtail]

A lot of women are having a tough time as well. It cuts both ways. I know a ton of single women. A lot of them are average or fat or ugly. However, many of them are cute. Some are even hot. There are just too many ways for "relationships" to go awry. Men suffer more, no question, but a lot of women lose out in this musical chairs game as well. Here are just a few ways women can run into trouble with dating:

-They find a man but he leaves after she gets pregnant and fat.
-They completely refuse to go to clubs and bars, where they would be drooled over if they had the patience, time and temperament to stay out late and deal with all of the bull-**** that nightlife entails
-They work long, odd hours and don't have a schedule that allows for regular dating
-They work long, odd hours and don't have the energy to go out regularly
-They are in grad school and don't have the time
-They want a boyfriend/husband but have been taught in college that men are evil and women must have a career first
-They live in a small town and the men are generally stupid and evil
-They are highly religious and can't find a man who shares the same beliefs and lifestyle

I am just scratching the surface here. I am a very social person and meet a lot of people and I think many men would be completely shocked at the enormous number of women who are in their 20's and dateless. Some of them go on dry spells for months or even years.

 

[sosousage]

True, average men are invisible to women like they're part of the surroundings. However, what the essay says is this — if more men become apathetic and resentful for unfair treatment, then the tide will turn.

The article you posted on the woman being attacked is an example of men refusing their gender role. To them, if a woman doesn't have to a woman, why are they expected to be men? A woman expecting a man to act like a man is sexist under today's identity politics. A CEO like her is a strong, independent woman so she shouldn't need a man to defend her. Why would the men risk their own well-being for a female stranger?

Not just men, but people in general aren't as willing to help others because there's no point in being a good samaritan. You only get more headaches getting involved in other people's business. Society is losing its sense of community and helping others, but that's another topic...


Same woman logic sh*t when I hear women villify nice guys as "not really being nice because they want sex" when they bang the Chad who literally doesn't give a f*ck about them and only wants sex. Hmm...


I believe that's true. I've been seeing more Youtube videos of these "red pill women" and red pill channels are calling these women out. These "conservative women" are trying to rebrand and remarket themselves by feigning empathy. When you have no customers (i.e. eligible men), you try to change your marketing tactics. Unfortunately, I don't think a new marketing campaign will work when men are checking out of society and turning into hermits. Marketing only works when guys are around in society to see it. Books like Men on Strike by Dr. Helen Smith talk about the exodus of men who no longer have the motivation to become productive members of society.

Yeah we need to become chads.

 

[longtail]

True, average men are invisible to women like they're part of the surroundings. However, what the essay says is this — if more men become apathetic and resentful for unfair treatment, then the tide will turn.

I wish this were true but even if women as a whole become more motivated to enter into a relationship their increasing economic status and freedom means they will pursue the top 20% more energetically. They won't suddenly become enraptured with all men in general. The trend in western society is that men are becoming fatter, lazier, have less initiative, are less physically capable and appealing, and more afraid of women and potential repercussions.

In other words, only the top 20% will benefit and the other 80% will become even more dispossessed and frustrated. This could lead to widespread chaos. There's no guarantee that sexual relationships will self correct however. I haven't read the article so perhaps there's an explanation for this.

What I have seen in my personal life is that there are huge hordes of men who can't get laid no matter what they try.

 

[longtail]

Yeah we need to become chads.

I don't know if it's necessary or even possible for the majority of men to conform to this stereotype. As a first step, men should try to achieve a "normal" appearance and lifestyle. I don't mean the new normal, which is of a fat guy addicted to video games. I mean normal normal which is a man in good physical shape with a solid lifestyle (reasonably good paying job, some friends, can socialize normally). Guys in the normal normal category get girlfriends and get married. Guys in the new normal category which is actually abnormal, don't.

But there are guys who just aren't going to make the cut no matter what. These guys have significant physical appearance deficits which they can't or won't fix and severely flawed dating strategies. A couple of examples:
1. IT guy: normal appearance, even muscular but he is short and has mangled teeth. He also has a very low social IQ, meaning he is just too dumb to fix his errors in dating strategies, even when they are obvious and after they are pointed out to him repeatedly. He'll wind up with a fat or ugly girl.
2. HR guy: tall, but very fat and has an ugly face. Very aggressive in approaching women. Cannot get laid. Constantly chases the prettiest girls in the group. Always gets rejected hard but refuses to date down even a little. Will wind up with a fat or ugly girl.

 

[Ranger]

The problem with the feminine imperative isn’t that they created these women or the social stage influences of feminism.
It’s that men bought into it. Instead of ignoring it we became it. Blaming it on women poses no solution. Just the idea that women are the cause. That makes men victims. That isn’t masculine at all.

 

[Spaz]

This thread caters to those that has almost no pulling power and let's not even talk abt a man's staying power.

And there will be no correction to the pendulum for its been ongoing since the dawn of time - thousands of years in the making.

In every age men has dreamt of putting a stop to the feminine imperative.

Yet its the feminine imperative that's creating life, sustaining life,...economies, tribes, countries.

 

[Ranger]

And there will be no correction to the pendulum for its been ongoing since the dawn of time - thousands of years in the making.

Indeed. I see no change coming. I do see them sharing masculine men before that. They know how to survive and sustain or gain power in a harem.

Let’s say a powerful solar flare went off and fried our electronics like an EMP. Within a very short time the women will be consolidated with only the men who display the ability to support their survival within the primal new paradigm. Sharing a man is automatic. Until then, this is what we have.

I was reading how everyone alive today can be traced back to five females through blood types and DNA. The success of biological imperatives rest with the women. True, we can easily survive and thrive without women but the next generation comes from them.

 

[Spaz]

Indeed. I see no change coming. I do see them sharing masculine men before that. They know how to survive and sustain or gain power in a harem.

Let’s say a powerful solar flare went off and fried our electronics like an EMP. Within a very short time the women will be consolidated with only the men who display the ability to support their survival within the primal new paradigm. Sharing a man is automatic. Until then, this is what we have.

I was reading how everyone alive today can be traced back to five females through blood types and DNA. The success of biological imperatives rest with the women. True, we can easily survive and thrive without women but the next generation comes from them.

Yes, it has always been abt the next generation.

Women were made emotional creatures to better withstand emotional trauma and manipulate men purely for survival.

And when men become more feminine the women will be more masculine to balance that particular society. Again it's abt survival.

The feminine imperative ensures survival of the human race.

There's no stopping it.

So men better stop dreaming abt it and better yet stop living a delusional life, just fvcking follow the masculine imperative.

Ask any men here, I'll bet 90% can't even say for sure what is the masculine imperative.

 

[Ranger]

Women were made emotional creatures to better withstand emotional trauma and manipulate men purely for survival.

Most men think this manipulation is soooo evil. Without it, they wouldn’t even be born.