We need to have a serious discussion about this "misandry bubble" in Western Society

[Music_czar]

I know many women who have taken other men to the cleaners. These men sneeze the wrong way and these women are calling their lawyers.

These very same women treat me entirely differently. They go to the salon to spend hundreds looking good for me. They tell me to pick sh*t out on Victoria's Secret.... I tell them I'm going out for a few drinks and I will call them after. They respond with "Ok babe".

I'm not laying in bed awake at night staring at the ceiling worried about the effects of feminism on society. It's the poor bastard paying alimony who thought he bought forever with a diamond ring worrying about that.

Now, you can blame all of that on feminism. You can sit here and say the world is unfair to men because of it. You can call these women "low quality" and rant and rave about unfairness all day long.

But I'm completely unaffected by it all. I play it my way, and the women who fall into my life are just fine playing along with it because they are on the same page. This is why I do not have problems.

The bottom line is that, although I'm always on the hunt, I am perfectly at peace with the idea that I will never find a woman worth putting a ring on.

I'm not going to fall in line just because you think I'm doing it wrong and that I have my head in the sand.

That’s fine Amante you don’t give a fvck and that’s cool, however some of us are more concerned with the growing wave of feminist ideology and how it will affect us and our kids when they grow up.

Ignoring it exists because things are going well for you now doesn’t mean it’s not happening.

And at least one woman didn’t treat you very well at all.. and that one bad woman will have an enormous impact on your life in one way or another it just may take longer for you to feel its effect.

 

[Music_czar]

Life is going to bring some pain and leave some bruises one way or another.

The difference is in how you handle it.

Very true.. and you seem to be handling your personal situation very well and that’s the way a man handles things.

But it doesn’t mean we can ignore and deny the bigger picture of feminism and how its ideals are gaining steam and popularity among younger women.

I think this is fairly obvious: the rising divorce rates, growth in promiscuous behaviour in women, rise of me too, and general loneliness and feminization of men is worse than ever.

If more men handled their situation like yours things would be much better, however very few men are lucky enough to escape situations such as a divorce with a low quality woman unscathed.

 

[AttackFormation]

I have women tell me they want to be choked

Choking is still somewhat of a strange act for me when I do it. It's not like say, spanking or light hair pulling which are play acts. Choking is like a kind of abuse, and that's what twists my brain into a dilemma when doing it.

Can you choke them genuinely so they feel it's real, without you actually thinking she's a worthless wh0re (which is what the first woman who asked me to choke her also asked me to say)? I mean I have sex with women I like, not ones I don't like, especially if I was to be in a relationship - and that creates a contradiction. For it to be the kind of experience they want you have to look down on her as beneath you and want to abuse her, at the same time as you actually like and respect her. I like mischief, play acts and talk ("what a little slvt you are!"), but choking seems to require an abusive state of mind that I don't feel like I have. Can it be reconciled at all, or do they need to be with abusers for it to feel real?

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

All bubbles are society wide phenomena.

Society wide phenomena are only worrisome if you DEPEND on certain states of society to do your work for you.

If you are a real estate investor, you depend on real estate bubbles. If you are a stock investor, you depend on asset bubbles.

But if you are a SHREWD investor, and don't expect to make money following the crowd, you can make money in any market, regardless of all the chicken littles running around. So long as you do your homework and think for yourself.

If you are a SHREWD player, and don't depend on social norms for doing the work FOR YOU, you can find plenty of women who'll be happy to be with you, provided you are WORTHY of being with.

Few men are worthy, and most men are concerned with things like social norms.

I would even go so far as to say that men who constantly complain about the STATE OF THINGS are admitting their own weakness.

 

[AJ84]

But Amante that’s my point: any woman who is attractive and successful yet knowingly and willingly chooses to make herself a part of your harem is inherently low quality. And this low quality behaviour is being encouraged by the growth of feminist ideals.. which encourages women to be ok with being more selfish.

It’s the propagation of these ideals that allow women like your ex wife to act the way they do.. and please don’t tell me your situation doesn’t affect you negatovely because it will once your kid grows up with a messed up mom/home life.

By the way not judging you even if you hide your intentions to these women in fact I find it very interesting that women today are ok being in such relationships.

My point is these types of open relationships/harem-style dating is not a good thing for the long run. Where there’s laughter soon there will be tears.. for society as a whole as it continues to degrade itself.

There are women out there who are not looking for a committed relationship and I get the impression that it’s those women with whom Amante is dating, not women looking for a committed exclusive relationship.
From his other posts it seems to be pretty upfront and casual on both sides so it’s not a harem.
A harem really is a group of women all sharing one man. Spinning plates doesn’t mean it’s a harem unless they are all only sleeping with one guy and the reality is many of those plates are seeing other guys.
That’s why the term ‘harem’ is a bit misleading in the context of dating several women.
Also I think it takes guts to be that upfront with women, rather than lie and mislead them into a false sense of a relationship when he’s out sleeping around. That’s a sign of a weak man afraid to lose women.

 

[AttackFormation]

Keep in mind

You already fulfilled your biological imperative of reproduction
You've already been married
You put up profiles and hot women message you first

Not most of our situations really.

Lmao, "You put up profiles and hot women message you first", hahaha... you really hit it home with the rule of 3 delivering the punchline.

 

[sosousage]

I don't know if it's necessary or even possible for the majority of men to conform to this stereotype. As a first step, men should try to achieve a "normal" appearance and lifestyle. I don't mean the new normal, which is of a fat guy addicted to video games. I mean normal normal which is a man in good physical shape with a solid lifestyle (reasonably good paying job, some friends, can socialize normally). Guys in the normal normal category get girlfriends and get married. Guys in the new normal category which is actually abnormal, don't.

But there are guys who just aren't going to make the cut no matter what. These guys have significant physical appearance deficits which they can't or won't fix and severely flawed dating strategies. A couple of examples:
1. IT guy: normal appearance, even muscular but he is short and has mangled teeth. He also has a very low social IQ, meaning he is just too dumb to fix his errors in dating strategies, even when they are obvious and after they are pointed out to him repeatedly. He'll wind up with a fat or ugly girl.
2. HR guy: tall, but very fat and has an ugly face. Very aggressive in approaching women. Cannot get laid. Constantly chases the prettiest girls in the group. Always gets rejected hard but refuses to date down even a little. Will wind up with a fat or ugly girl.

1 is @bigneil
2. is @bigdave17

LOL

 

[The_411]

We’ve been due for a Malthusian event for quite sometime. AIDS was thought to be that event, but it is isn’t the short term death sentence it used to be.

I am beginning to wonder if what we are seeing in terms of poor relationships between the sexes isn’t a Malthusian event occurring in the background until a big event occurs.

All one can control one’s own actions. Every man here should handle their business as a man and not cave your ethics/values/morales for a piece of ass or to keep the peace.

Aggressively dismiss women with disrespectful behavior.

 

[AttackFormation]

So I can certainly see why some people see nothing but ego and privileged experiences, but I hit plenty of snags all the same.

I never got the impression you were egotistical, in fact you come off as refreshingly humble. You're like a male BeExcellent without the family-inherited narcissistic tendency. You said before you were a late bloomer, and from the way you can qualify your posts, you can tell.

 

[Alvafe]

Powerful? I honestly don't think so. That whole scenario is not powered by feminism. It is powered only by a man who has been horribly emasculated and completely accepts it.



I'm not ignoring anything. I see what you see. But you're not willing to see what I have. Some of you guys want to tear me down because I'm not going along with the narrative.

The day my ex tried to pull me into court was an interesting one. There was my ex, her female attorney, 2 female attorneys from the state and a female Judge. I was the only swinging **** in the room, and I was even there without an attorney, representing myself.

I walked away with everything. House, car, full custody... all of it. Feminism was completely toothless and powerless on that day.

Do you know why? Because from day one, from the day I decided I wanted to start a family, I decided I wasn't going to play by the set of losing rules, laws and situations all of you guys are b*tching, moaning, complaining and are afraid of. I did it all my way instead of theirs. I played by a different set of rules, not because of ego or because I am an all powerful love guru, but exactly because I saw what you see. I met and talked with many men on the losing end of it all. And I didn't jump into anything or make any decisions until I was 37 years old. I took my sweet ass time and though it all through.

I did not develop my views with my head in the sand and I did not walk out of that courtroom victorious that day by accident or because I was lucky.

I beat what you are so concerned about and made it powerless by giving them exactly what they wanted: full autonomy and control over themselves. I didn't try to play the "atomic 1950's family, diamond ring is forever" game. I went into it in such a way that if things didn't work out, that she would have to move on and be an "individual" woman, supporting herself without the help of any evil, stinking man. And that's exactly where she ended up.

I'm not hearing that woman's roar. I can tell you that much.

Now, you guys can choose to pick out my flaws. That I made bad choices. You can say I'm just all ego. You can say I am full of sh*t. You can say that I was disrespected or that I date "low quality" women. You can tear me down any way you want to. That's fine.

But I am in complete control of my life. I am not afraid of feminism because I know it only holds power over men who are emasculated and play that game, just like the cucked guy in that Toronto video.

Feminists may have taken the institution of marriage hostage. Sure. You're right that it's unfair. But unlike many guys here, I just let them shoot the hostage. Once done, their bargaining power to make demands and threats... it just VANISHED.

i'm curious about the arguments you used on that court, well if anything the lack of marriage and her drug use yells pretty high, but still...