We need to have a serious discussion about this "misandry bubble" in Western Society

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How can you solve problems that you can't even identify, when identification gets labelled as "not masculine" despite proposed solutions (problem solving) and an invitation to open debate?

Weird.
I understand. So what is the nature of the feminine imperative? What is it that so many men are not even aware of their birthright. What is it?

The important thing to remember is that it has nothing to do with women. It’s how you think. When people are programmed, they are absolutely certain that the way they think is them. It’s really hard to unlearn something when it’s how you operate with every fiber of your being.
 

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We live in times where the pendulum has swung in favour of women.

The only thing we can do is ensure that men all over western countries realize the importance of slam and dash. Women want to be treated as slvts so act accordingly, but understand it won’t last long until you need to get rid of them. Very few men on this site (are there any?) have had very long term relationships ie over 10 years with a beautiful sexy woman.. and there is a good reason why. Whether men or women are to blame for this isn’t important, it can be argued both genders bear some responsibility.

What is important is:

1. Do not wife them up, under any circumstances. It doesn’t matter how great they treat you or sex you first few days/months/years, this is a mask they wear so they can get what they want. Once they have it, they will treat you like an empty jar of mayonnaise. The key is to treat them like an empty jar of mayonnaise first.

2. Tied to #1, recognize the traits of mental problems you will face when dating today’s women. Bipolar, depression, anxiety, BPD, HPD, NPD, sociopathy/psychopathy, etc. It does not matter if the woman has been diagnosed with these, only that they exhibit the toxic/abusive traits described by these disorders. Know the importance of getting out of relationships with women who carry these traits, or identifying the red flags early in and avoiding them entirely.

These mental disorders were only categorized by pioneering medical specialists to help describe/explain mental problems that had already pre existed and made even worse by current conditions in western countries.

3. Understand the trauma bond and how it works. Most men coming here after an encounter with a toxic woman are suffering from a trauma bond that women have either knowingly or subconsciously employed through fractionation in trying to keep you under their control, so recognize its symptoms so you realize the importance of avoiding these women or getting out before it’s too late.

4. Spin plates. This is more important than ever.

5. Lack of seduction techniques. Have you noticed we don’t talk about this much on SS any more? It’s because we don’t need them. All you have to do is be charming, reasonably fit, and dress well and girls will fvck. They are easier than ever. The Don Juan capabilities of a man today is not so much his ability to fvck women, but in learning how to avoid getting into drama-type relationships with them - whether sex-only or short term/long term exclusive relationships.

The advantage women enjoy will not go away any time soon, with the explosion of birth control, abortion, social media, polyamory, open relationships, dating apps, sugar daddies, feminism (women should be slvts and have their own money), the me too movement (instilling fear in men to approach women), and overly woman-friendly laws the odds are stacked against us. Be the best you can be and get what you can - while you can.

But as the millennial generation gets older I think more women will hit the wall and live out their lives lonely or slvtting it up and settling for equally desperate/lonely/low value men. Only then maybe can the pendulum swing back in favour of men as a whole.

As long as we have men who aren’t fully educated about what’s going on we will continue to have a society of feminized men supplicating women and willingly becoming their cuckholds.

Enjoy the orgies and sex but remember.. you can’t turn a wh0re into a housewife.
 
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Teaching women to be second rate men, rather than first class women?



Conquest?



We do that through critical thinking skills.

What's your views on your these questions?

And are you ever actually going to pass that bloody spliff?

Only joking, mate. You are a good and unique poster, but thought you were perhaps being unfair there.
No worries man. I didn’t take offense. :)

The purpose of the imperative is to maximize reproductive availability for women. By reducing the lion’s share of men through “selective breeding” and indoctrination, it allows for maximum breeding opportunities contained within the paradigm of civilization.
There is no conspiracy or cabal. Civilization has created this. The church tried to evenly distribute women to men. Ever since, the imperative has been slowly gaining back its ground.
Women were being forced out of their biological breeding strategy. Mating only with top end men. Which is what ALL women want. The best man that she can attract.

Rollo calls it “optimized Hypergamy with men being clueless to its intent”
 

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I don't think there will be a popping of any "misandry bubble", for the simple reason that women don't care about men dropping out unless they are tall, handsome and well-off, or famous, and those guys will just keep taking it home. And they're not happy settling down with less than their high score man anyway, they've got sperm donors, egg preservation and fertility treatment, so going without Joe Average doesn't matter for their state of happiness. In fact they will breath a sigh of relief. I also think you may overestimate the amount of men who are or will be red pilled, they are much outnumbered by providers (of resources and validation) - an acute validation drought may have some effect if it ever actually became a reality, but it's not gonna happen and if it ever did it would reverse itself as men would increasingly "break ranks" to take advantage of the easier sex and improved attitudes until we're back at square one.

I don't see any "reckoning" or "catharsis" coming. Social media, online dating, birth control, modern transportation and social norms, are all here to stay (and as someone who isn't a right wing tradcon, I don't mind). If there is any relief, it'll come from VR, sexbots, and maybe sophisticated bio- and cosmetic engineering to change your looks if the former two aren't your thing.
I must agree. Financially independent women would rather have College Chad's sperm and be a single mommy then have the Beta Man & his sperm. If they feel the urge for sex, they can simply dial up a Chad Lite on Tinder and get serviced.
 

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What you say is totally correct, they simply dont register average joes let alone care about them.

The point is that their lifes are all based on how the average joe behaves, if the average men stop his favours wheter is homeworks or a lift at night they will get the first hint; when the average joe starts showing open distress toward them they will get the second...its a matter of time till a snowball effect turns willing slave living in cuck mode to resentful bastards who just stand up and moves away if a woman is attacked.
What about the average Janes though? The vast majority of women are not dating guys who are tall, good looking, well off and famous. That’s like 0.01% of the population. Let’s not pretend that the 5’s and 6’s out there are dating Brad Pitt types. And those 5’s and 6’s make up the bulk of the female population.

There is no doubt that we are seeing tremendous social upheaval, as evidenced by extraordinarily high divorce rates, broken families, drug abuse epidemic, addiction to video games, a growing sense of pessimism and antisocial attitudes.

There will be a massive correction to this, and it’s just a matter of time. What it will look like, we don’t know yet.
 

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Time Marches On - Tracy Lawrence

Sister cries out from her baby bed
Brother runs in feathers on his head
Momma's in her room learning how to sew
Daddy's drinking beer, listening to the radio
Hank Williams sings "Kaw Liga" and "Dear John"
And time marches on, time marches on
Sister's using rouge and clear complexion soap
Brother's wearing beads and he smokes a lot of dope
Momma is depressed, barely makes a sound
Daddy's got a girlfriend in another town
Bob Dylan sings "Like a Rolling Stone"
And time marches on, time marches on
The south moves north, the north moves south
A star is born, a star burns out
The only thing that stays the same is
Everything changes, everything changes
Sister calls herself a "Sexy Grandma"
Brother's on a diet for high cholesterol
Momma's out of touch with reality
Daddy's in the ground beneath a maple tree
As the angels sing an old Hank Williams song
Time marches on, time marches on
Time marches on, time marches on
Time marches on, time marches on
 

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What about the average Janes though? The vast majority of women are not dating guys who are tall, good looking, well off and famous. That’s like 0.01% of the population. Let’s not pretend that the 5’s and 6’s out there are dating Brad Pitt types. And those 5’s and 6’s make up the bulk of the female population.

There is no doubt that we are seeing tremendous social upheaval, as evidenced by extraordinarily high divorce rates, broken families, drug abuse epidemic, addiction to video games, a growing sense of pessimism and antisocial attitudes.

There will be a massive correction to this, and it’s just a matter of time. What it will look like, we don’t know yet.
The amount of validation and opportunities a plane jane gets cant be compared with the situation of the average joe, just see social networks and dating sites, any not too ugly girl looking for a date just has to go out and hit any public place.

Regarding divorces they are initiated by a large part from women as we talked about many times here, antisocial attitudes come from the fact that social ones no longer work or worse yet are counterproductive for those who follow it, unless of course helping someone attacked in the bus is gonna get you anything but trouble...with the gov itself often, try to stop to help a crying kid in a public place and see what happens.

The average joe can hardly get a plane jane before she hits the wall, the average jane can have a relationship with the average joe or short terms with 7s and above since she is 16.

Its not the guys to consider 80% of women below average, its women...hypergamy is not mutual.
 

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If a critical mass of average men drop out from LTR and marriage, it will be a huge wake-up call to women.
No it won't. Women don't get "wake-up calls". They base all their decisions on emotions, not logic. By age 23, they essentially learn nothing new and drift through life on fate, dreams, hopes, and destiny. Women will not change in this aspect.

The only thing that women can do is go back to empowering men. They need to actually see and feel the need for men in society in order for things to actually turn around. There is one way I can see this happening...

Trannies have been entering the world of women, and nobody really knows how the fvck to deal with it. Women feel that they should be welcoming and understanding, but we have trannies entering women's washrooms, beating the fvck out of them in women's boxing matches, etc. Although the trannies may look like women, they were born and built as men. No matter how much women want to be welcoming to trannies, their nature and subconsciousness is screaming "THIS IS A MAN".

Trannies will continue to invade the world of women. This will (and already is) causing fear in the world of natural women. The question is, who is going to protect women? With the laws changing to enforce and empower the rights of trannies, women are going to become unsafe and vulnerable.

Trannies have also begun sexualizing children. They are encouraging children to decide what gender they are well before puberty hits, and embrace sex changes and take hormone supplements even before the child turns 18. This trend will also open the ways for pedophiles who will embrace a tranny's decision to sexualize children. Don't believe me? Look at this 5hit:


So who's job is it going to be to protect women and children? It used to be the man's job until they were beaten down and criticized for their "toxic masculinity". Will women be seeking out the help from men again in the future?
 

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Yes.... When the pendulum swings too far in one direction, there will always be a correction. However how do you know that's a pro-woman movement isn't that correction? Is it that you just don't want to believe that the pendulum has swung too far in the direction of male power?
 

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No it won't. Women don't get "wake-up calls". They base all their decisions on emotions, not logic. By age 23, they essentially learn nothing new and drift through life on fate, dreams, hopes, and destiny. Women will not change in this aspect.

The only thing that women can do is go back to empowering men. They need to actually see and feel the need for men in society in order for things to actually turn around. There is one way I can see this happening...

Trannies have been entering the world of women, and nobody really knows how the fvck to deal with it. Women feel that they should be welcoming and understanding, but we have trannies entering women's washrooms, beating the fvck out of them in women's boxing matches, etc. Although the trannies may look like women, they were born and built as men. No matter how much women want to be welcoming to trannies, their nature and subconsciousness is screaming "THIS IS A MAN".

Trannies will continue to invade the world of women. This will (and already is) causing fear in the world of natural women. The question is, who is going to protect women? With the laws changing to enforce and empower the rights of trannies, women are going to become unsafe and vulnerable.

Trannies have also begun sexualizing children. They are encouraging children to decide what gender they are well before puberty hits, and embrace sex changes and take hormone supplements even before the child turns 18. This trend will also open the ways for pedophiles who will embrace a tranny's decision to sexualize children. Don't believe me? Look at this 5hit:


So who's job is it going to be to protect women and children? It used to be the man's job until they were beaten down and criticized for their "toxic masculinity". Will women be seeking out the help from men again in the future?
I've read what you wrote here but don't really get what you mean they would "need" men to "protect" them from? Did you just mean from trannies entering female sports? I don't see what else you were concretely referring to.
 

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Feminism is no longer a "cause".

It's just a fvcking support group.....

I'd bet my left nut that, if with a snap of a finger you could turn any one of those abrasive dykes into a supermodel, they would drop the whole feminist act like a 10-ton heavy thing.

There is no tide. No pendulum. No war. Its just a bunch of angry people looking for validation and vindication.
Yep spot on. The "misandry bubble" is just a myth. And nothing happens unless men LET IT happen. Men lead women, that is the natural order of things developed over eons of evolution. You can not snap your fingers and change human nature. All the girl-power #metoo stuff is nothing more than men, and some women, using emotion as a means to power by appealing to a block of voters, who have been temporarily motivated by the election of Trump, and the realization that Hillary Clinton was not going to be given the office just because she was a chick... This all will peter out just like pet rocks, Beanie Babies, and MTV. Stupid things do not last.

I think history will look at the US Presidential election of 2016 as a key turning point in American politics. HRC ran a campaign that basically said, she should be President because she has a vagina, the glass ceiling must be broken, and just because... Ignore the fact that as a Senator, she was never able to get ANY of her bills she proposed co-sponsored by ANYONE... even other Democrats, as Secretary of State made an EPIC mess of Russia, the Arab Spring.... et. al. and mercifully quit before she screwed things up too bad, just like she quit her attempts at healthcare reform in the early 90s. She had no real work record to brag about, was the most disliked 1st Lady in our nation's history, and her "girl-power" BS stood in stark contrast to ignoring her husband's affairs, and attacking women that accused him of abuse.

The ONLY way Hillary was going to win, was because she was A WOMAN. And enough American voters said, "Sorry, just being a chick is not enough." So much so that we instead elected a Three-Ring circus act of stupidity with a reality TV show Ringmaster. The last couple of years have just been rage by feminists because their formula didn't work.... and Men in power, mostly Democrats were willing to let let this happen because they wanted control of the House. Now that they have it... you will see a lot of this #metoo stuff just drift off, because without men involved in this, it won't last.
 

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Feminism is no longer a "cause".

It's just a fvcking support group.

Most modern "feminists" are unattractive, abrasive and carry an anger towards all men specifically because many of those men that they now hate were the same men they loved who had rejected them time and time again.

They hate the guy for going after the better looking, more pleasant women.

They hate the beautiful women who benefit in ways they never will and call them traitors to "the cause".

These women join the "cause" to vindicate their own frustration and anger towards men AND women who do not vindicate their angry narrative, anger which is usually a derivative of their own short-comings in life that they avoid in favor of blaming men/supermodels/society, etc.

Modern feminists are the female equivalent of incels and MGTOW.

I'd bet my left nut that, if with a snap of a finger you could turn any one of those abrasive dykes into a supermodel, they would drop the whole feminist act like a 10-ton heavy thing.

There is no tide. No pendulum. No war. Its just a bunch of angry people looking for validation and vindication.
If you think this then you’re ignoring reality at your own peril.

Hot young women are becoming feminists too these days.. it’s no longer just a bunch of fat 50 year old dikes complaining bitterly.

It’s now made up of growing groups of young women in their 20s who are sick and tired of being pump and dumped by jerks and are now starting to organize through word of mouth. Women are increasingly going to school and educating themselves, and they’re starting to realize the potential power of goldenpvssy and how much the majority of men will literally trip over themselves to supplicate to women sexually and financially.

The explosion in accusations of sexual assault and “sexual impropriety” against men these days is no coincidence. First the men are publically shamed, their careers are destroyed through often not much more than rumour, innuendo, and even false claims, then they’re charged with crimes they’re accused of committing often 30 or 40 years ago (when they’ve made sure there’s a lack of witnesses and a fading of memory to defend the man), and then they’re sued civilly in courts in order to aid in the transfer of wealth from men to women. Even when the men are found not guilty because it was found out that the women lied under oath, that’s ok because it’s enough that his reputation, family, career and life have been destroyed.

Women in marriages who get into an argument run to lawyers who scream “hey he was abusing you!” then they receive cold instructions on how to separate the man from his home, children, and salary. The woman sits at home happily banging the pool boy the rest of her life while her kids go to school, and the man is left in virtual slavery for the rest of his life, basically financing his ex wife’s generally well off if not outright lavish single lifestyle.

She is rewarded for sitting home all the time while the kids were at school, while the man is punished for working hard all his life and trying to lovingly take care of his wife and family.

Then feminists seek to fill the former career positions of men who are accused by having a woman fill it in through lobbying and pressures on governments and corporations that “gender equality must be enforced.” And even when the men are found criminally not guilty, this does not preclude them from being sued in civil court where they can still lose. Even an unfounded accusation if not proven can and will ruin his life and career.

Alleged victims of sex assault are paid a “victim surcharge” which encourages women to exaggerate or even downright falsify their accusations against men. And even if they’re found to be lying, action is very rarely taken against them because if the police did so victims’ rights groups would be all over them.

If you think female lawyers, psychiatrists, doctors, and politicians are not getting together in groups and organizing offensives such as the me too movement designed to basically recruit young women into mistreating men and getting their hands on their wealth then you’re ignoring the reality of what’s going on.

Take the sugar daddy’s websites for example.. young women are being taught how to milk older desperate lonely men with cash in order to make money off them by doing the bare minimum. Young women are being taught to use men and take lots of their money, often without even having to have sex with them. Escorting and basically what amounts to prostitution is exploding in popularity.. Women are learning to charge men for dating, companionship, even just to meet up for coffee. Forums are set up in which older women give younger women advice on how to use men for their money and then they detach so they can cannibalize the emotions and wealth of the next desperate lonely old rich guy.

This trend is growing, and turning young women into even worse emotional and financial predators than ever before. Ignoring this is just sticking your head in the sand.
 
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If you think this then you’re ignoring reality at your own peril.

Hot young women are becoming feminists too these days.. it’s no longer just a bunch of fat 50 year old dikes complaining bitterly.

It’s now made up of growing groups of young women in their 20s who are sick and tired of being pump and dumped by jerks and are now starting to organize through word of mouth. Women are increasingly going to school and educating themselves, and they’re starting to realize the potential power of goldenpvssy and how much the majority of men will literally trip over themselves to supplicate to women sexually and financially.

The accusations of sexual assault and “sexual impropriety” against men these days is no coincidence. First the men are publically shamed, their careers are destroyed through often not much more than rumour, innuendo, and even false claims, then they’re charged with crimes they’re accused of committing often 30 or 4 years ago, and then they’re sued civilly in courts in order to aid in the transfer of wealth from men to women.

If you think female lawyers, psychiatrists, doctors, and politicians are not getting together in groups and organizing offensives such as the me too movement designed to basically recruit young women into mistreating men and getting their hands on their wealth then you’re ignoring the reality of what’s going on.
Transfer of wealth and power
 
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Feminism is no longer a "cause".

It's just a fvcking support group.

Most modern "feminists" are unattractive, abrasive and carry an anger towards all men specifically because many of those men that they now hate were the same men they loved who had rejected them time and time again.

They hate the guy for going after the better looking, more pleasant women.

They hate the beautiful women who benefit in ways they never will and call them traitors to "the cause".

These women join the "cause" to vindicate their own frustration and anger towards men AND women who do not vindicate their angry narrative, anger which is usually a derivative of their own short-comings in life that they avoid in favor of blaming men/supermodels/society, etc.

Modern feminists are the female equivalent of incels and MGTOW.

I'd bet my left nut that, if with a snap of a finger you could turn any one of those abrasive dykes into a supermodel, they would drop the whole feminist act like a 10-ton heavy thing.

There is no tide. No pendulum. No war. Its just a bunch of angry people looking for validation and vindication.
Yep. Here in Toronto there are a lot of those kinds of feminists. One is in my book club and once during a book club meeting I said I had to leave early to go meet my husband for dinner and she smirked and asked if he’s not capable of eating dinner by himself and to let him wait.
I held my tongue because she’s the cousin of a good friend of mine. But I imagined saying “well perhaps if he was a battery operated husband like yours he wouldn’t mind waiting, but then he wouldn’t be hungry would he?”
The average woman is not like her. It just seems like it because those kinds of feminists are the most vocal and noticeable in the media. The crazier they and their antics are, the more noticeable. Celebs jump on board because it’s the new thing and a way to get exposure. Haven’t made a movie in two years? Go on the View and talk about how you were looked at inappropriately 17yrs outside a Footlocker store in Des Moines. Like come on right.
There’s a good Time article online about the 6 feminists myths, written by a woman.
For every one modern die hard feminist, there’s 10 women avoiding her like the plague.
I see a turn of the tide among women who see that this crazy train needs to stop and they, like the woman who wrote the Time piece, are becoming more vocal.
 

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They're not getting educated. They are getting indoctrinated by other angry feminists and soy boy professors. They think they're educated because their handlers are handing out A+++++ grades for their bullsh*t term papers that continue to feed the narrative. They're not actually educated.

I regularly date smart, attractive women who are very successful, many of which are far more successful than I am. These women are not feminists. In fact, they look at feminism like it's a plague. They see it no differently than I do.

Lol. I'm not ignoring anything. I'm just ignoring those types of women. My life is just peachy, brother.
..So were the lives of all men before they got ruined by the growing feminist and me too movement and current divorce laws.

If you think feminism and the me too movement isn’t growing and exploding in female popularity you’re just being ignorant.. I bet every one of the women you’re dating if you were to marry her would take you to the cleaners. These women act covertly and remain hidden for years or decades till the situation pops up for them to take advantage of.

If you think feminists today are a small group of old uneducated and angry bitter women you simply have been too focused on your own little bubble of a life to realize the broader implication of what’s really going down.
 
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Comparing feminism and mgtow is wrong from many points of view, mgtow is people leaving a sinking ship while feminismo is a group of terrorists trying to hijack the deck.

In terms of power we dont have mgtow politicians enforcing mgtow policies with public money and work their asses to kick whoever disagree....there are no public money or state enforced laws for mgtow while there are more and more years after year for feminism.

A guy saying "Im fine alone, Im out of here" is not the counterpart of a woman saying "I deserve your stuff and I own you".
 

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Exactly.. covertly, slowly, and very effectively.

As for Toronto, that is probably the best global example of just how powerful feminism and the me too movement can be. The attitude of the woman in the story and her derogatory attitude toward her husband is by no means an isolated incident..

Toronto is well known for being a feminist hub and an extremely bad dating unfriendly place for men to live in.
 

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Exactly.. covertly, slowly, and very effectively.

As for Toronto, that is probably the best global example of just how powerful feminism and the me too movement can be. The attitude of the woman in the story and her derogatory attitude toward her husband is by no means an isolated incident..

Toronto is well known for being a feminist hub and an extremely bad dating unfriendly place for men to live in.
Have any men adapted to do well in that environment?
 

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I'm not saying it isn't growing in popularity. I'm just saying there is nothing of substance behind it anymore. It's a paper tiger.

There are very few cases of actual injustice these days. No woman is prevented from voting, running for office, becoming CEOs and/or millionaires in their own right. The only thing feminists are fighting for these days is the lie that feminism itself propagates: That "you can do it just because you're a woman". This feel-good, everybody gets a trophy lie makes every woman's failure seem like it's no fault of her own.

She is a woman. She was told she can do anything. Therefor, it MUST be the fault of a man and the patriarchy if she puts forth any effort SHE THINKS is good enough, rather than what is actually required.

It's bullsh*t.



I have full custody of my child. I own the house. No alimony. No child support. I date and sleep with attractive and successful women plenty. Some even pay me money to fix stupid sh*t in their house and then they sleep with me. I have women tell me they want to be spanked, choked, tied up and held down, and in decades of doing so, I have never and fear nothing of being wrongly accused of assault, because I know I am not the type of man that draws such ire from women. I know how to handle myself.

If I'm doing something wrong, then I must be the luckiest bastard on the planet after 30 years of doing it. I'm not changing course now because someone else tells me there is a "movement", that I should be afraid and that I must resist it.

Amante, don’t take this is a personal attack but I know for a fact you’re bullsh*tting and ill tell you why:

No successful attractive woman worth anything will degrade herself by dating a man who continues to fvck other women.

And I disagree with you that feminism and the ideas it encourages are losing steam.. they’re actually gaining in popularity as clearly evidenced by exploding divorce rates, the exponential growth in bad female behaviour, and the increase in loneliness on the part of a large and growing number of men.
 

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You're assuming they want a committed relationship and that I'm doing them wrong. But I don't mislead. I talk to them. They have their own reasons for doing things the way they do. I'm not tricking anyone.

These women who you think are "degrading themselves" see me as a breath of fresh air because I'm not deceptive. They respect and appreciate how I handle myself with a little candor and honesty.
But Amante that’s my point: any woman who is attractive and successful yet knowingly and willingly chooses to make herself a part of your harem is inherently low quality. And this low quality behaviour is being encouraged by the growth of feminist ideals.. which encourages women to be ok with being more selfish.

It’s the propagation of these ideals that allow women like your ex wife to act the way they do.. and please don’t tell me your situation doesn’t affect you negatovely because it will once your kid grows up with a messed up mom/home life.

By the way not judging you even if you hide your intentions to these women in fact I find it very interesting that women today are ok being in such relationships.

My point is these types of open relationships/harem-style dating is not a good thing for the long run. Where there’s laughter soon there will be tears.. for society as a whole as it continues to degrade itself.
 
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