Was America better off when women were expected to talk, dress and act like ladies?

[MillenniumMike]

I would hate to go back to those times, this is the era where the game can be really played. There was no challenge in the past, the womens revolution changed everything, you could make an argument saying that women have the distinct advantage in dating but I personally feel its equal, however if they do have the advantage it just means your game has to be just that much tighter. Proper women are pretty boring, these days men and women in the dating world can almost get away with anything.

 

[MillenniumMike]

Where is your competitive spirit

 

[Darth]

lol. You don't sleep around because you can't get any. If you had the opportunity to sleep around, you'd be a man ***** don't lie to yourself either.

Imagine, you go out to do laundry, you chat it up with a girl, you guys go back to your place and **** till dawn.

You go hang out with friends at a movie theater, this chick next to you also wants to **** right now in the empty theater next door, would you do it?

No, I wouldn't. Absolutely would not.

Let me tell you a story- I've actually had that offer. Was in the dining hall one evening, chatting with a pretty hot girl. It was going well. Soon another guy came and sat down next to her. It was clear they were really familiar with each other. So anyway the guy notices I like this girl, so when she gets up to get something, he tells me,

"If you want some, just come up to my room in an hour. If you want."

I smiled and didn't answer him. The guy's smile faded. The girl came back, I said bye, nice to meet you, and I left. Was she his GF or just his personal call girl? Who knows.


So to answer the question, no, I wouldn't.

Would it be fun? Yes, but I think with my brain, not my d!ck. Otherwise it would be pretty hypocritical to make those comments, wouldn't it.

Doing the wrong thing is always fun, that's why people do it.

But this is off topic.

 

[LonesomeLoser]

Where is your competitive spirit

Look at my name...look at my sig quote. I'd be more likely to find a time machine to go back to the 50s than to find my competitive spirit. If its not easy I would rather just complain about it not being easy.

 

[Darth]

No, it's not that at all. I love a challenge in any area of life. And actually, women are easier now that ever before, so that's not the point.

Competition is great. But what are we competing for? Sluts? Or ladies?

Where are the ladies?

 

[Jeremymichael]

There are not many ladies around. It seems to me they have been brain washed by the media to behave like ladettes. The amount of swearing and bad behaviour on UK tv is unbelievable, then you have all these drugged up bad role models.

I am really disgusted with the media in the UK.

 

[Slipper Hero]

I only care about whatever would make it easier for me specifically. In my case, I think it would be if society didn't care about whether women were happy in their relationships or not. They had to get married and be FAITHFUL or get looked down on by society. It didn't matter what they wanted, that was the role society had for them and they had to get with the program or else. The guys could sleep around, get wasted, etc and it was just "guys being guys". Yes there WAS a double standard, and as long as I got the better end of the double standard that would be fine by me.

The persuasive debate of a lonesome loser. I suppose you are at least you're being honest, and not trying to dress it up as "what would be best for the majority of people, male and female."

There's an acceptance in a lot of posts here (not just on this thread, but on the forum in general) that it's acceptable to hold others to a standard of behaviour that you're not prepared to meet yourself. That some of you will maybe start to think about behaving with a bit more class when the rest of the world starts showing some.

That thinking is rife, and probably explains most of what's always been wrong with society.

 

[DonJuan11]

sounds like just a lazy selfish, boring guy to me.

Perhaps, but this guy also hates all women and blames them for being dumb, lazy and selfish. He's ok now in his 20s, but if he gets into his 40s without being married, I'm sure he'll start being violent towards them, rape or otherwise.

 

[LonesomeLoser]

Perhaps, but this guy also hates all women and blames them for being dumb, lazy and selfish. He's ok now in his 20s, but if he gets into his 40s without being married, I'm sure he'll start being violent towards them, rape or otherwise.

Actually I'll be 36 in less than 2 months. I think what bothers me about women so much is that they aren't the way I grew up thinking they were.

I grew up thinking that they can fall in love with the guy who does sweet things that make her and her friends go "AWWWW".

I grew up thinking that if presented with the choice, they are more likely to choose the gentle sensitive timid unsure-of-himself socially awkward nerd over the good looking popular but less sensitive jock.

I grew up thinking that a woman who is outspoken and independent and headstrong, could fall in love with a guy who is the passive one in the relationship who just worships the ground she walks on, the guy who makes her go "AWWWW".

I grew up thinking women cared more about love than sex because they complain about men being just the opposite; so I reasoned that they would adore a guy like me who cares much more about warm-fuzzy lovie feelings than sex, just like they do.

And I grew up thinking that women want a guy who is nice to them, not one who is dominant and aggressive. Why would a woman LIKE it for a guy to "knock her down a peg" or what you guys call "neg hits"? After all, I reasoned, dating and relationships are supposed to be 2 people being nice to each other. Everyone wants to be treated nice!

I guess when women were more told how to talk dress and act modestly by society, they were forced to be (or at least pretend to be) the way I grew up thinking they were. I'm all for them being forced to act a certain way, if it makes things more convenient for me. Unfortunately that's not the time I was born in.

 

[Captain Harlock]

I guess when women were more told how to talk dress and act modestly by society, they were forced to be (or at least pretend to be) the way I grew up thinking they were. I'm all for them being forced to act a certain way, if it makes things more convenient for me. Unfortunately that's not the time I was born in.

well you're guessing wrong. If you're lame now, you would've been just as lame 50 years ago. You would've gotten into some ****ty marriage at best and she would be banging some other guy. Either that or she'd replace sex with food like so many americans do now.

 

[scottfall]

Actually I'll be 36 in less than 2 months. I think what bothers me about women so much is that they aren't the way I grew up thinking they were.

I grew up thinking that they can fall in love with the guy who does sweet things that make her and her friends go "AWWWW".

I grew up thinking that if presented with the choice, they are more likely to choose the gentle sensitive timid unsure-of-himself socially awkward nerd over the good looking popular but less sensitive jock.

I grew up thinking that a woman who is outspoken and independent and headstrong, could fall in love with a guy who is the passive one in the relationship who just worships the ground she walks on, the guy who makes her go "AWWWW".

I grew up thinking women cared more about love than sex because they complain about men being just the opposite; so I reasoned that they would adore a guy like me who cares much more about warm-fuzzy lovie feelings than sex, just like they do.

And I grew up thinking that women want a guy who is nice to them, not one who is dominant and aggressive. Why would a woman LIKE it for a guy to "knock her down a peg" or what you guys call "neg hits"? After all, I reasoned, dating and relationships are supposed to be 2 people being nice to each other. Everyone wants to be treated nice!

I guess when women were more told how to talk dress and act modestly by society, they were forced to be (or at least pretend to be) the way I grew up thinking they were. I'm all for them being forced to act a certain way, if it makes things more convenient for me. Unfortunately that's not the time I was born in.

You where born in this time(the information age) to learn that your way of thinking will only hurt YOU. You may be the hottest, most talented, most successful guy out there but your frame of beliefs will hurt you every time. The world you want to live in dosent exist now and never has. The REAL world you live in is based on the survival of the fittest, eat or be eaten. Its really hard for me to believe that a man, at 36 years old, really thinks this way.

The ideal world you have set up in your mind is made up of lies. The world you see on TV and in movies isnt real, its social programming.

 

[LonesomeLoser]

You where born in this time(the information age) to learn that your way of thinking will only hurt YOU. You may be the hottest, most talented, most successful guy out there but your frame of beliefs will hurt you every time. The world you want to live in dosent exist now and never has. The REAL world you live in is based on the survival of the fittest, eat or be eaten. Its really hard for me to believe that a man, at 36 years old, really thinks this way.

The ideal world you have set up in your mind is made up of lies. The world you see on TV and in movies isnt real, its social programming.

I don't still believe women are the way I described above. I still want to believe it but I know they're not. But I am pissed off because I think they SHOULD be the way I described, because then things would be a lot better for ME.

 

[Darth]

^^This is a very bad, self-centered attitude. "I would rather just complain about it not being easy."? What the heck?

I agree that America was better 50 years ago and so were the women (and men), but not because it was easier. And it was no fantasy land either- they had their own problems back then.

As men we should not be influenced by current culture. It's possible to thrive in all eras if you have what it takes.

For me the issues is not what is easy, but just personal disappointment in the lack of class I see around me every day. But to anyone else who knows me, I'm doing fine...

 

[MillenniumMike]

In the end none of us know what dating was like in the 1950's we may have an idea but we will never really experience it. It is useless to become angry over the current situation, the only option is to keep moving forward. Arguing in this thread will not change society all we can change is ourselves.

Endure - Adapt - Overcome

 

[JoeJoe85]

There's nothing wrong with women acting more sexual, hell i'd by lying if i didn't say I love seeing two chicks make out with each other. There's nothing wrong with equal rights either, women deserve the same jobs as men do.

The problems lies with feminism, which is not the idea that women are equal to men, but that they are better than them. I grew up in the 90s and early 00s and we girls were constantly favored over boys in school. (hell i had this conversation, with a girl, about how unfair it is, and she was the one who brought it up how feminism is ruining society).

Men are the dominant member of the species, it is like that in the entire animal kingdom, and it needs to go back to that. Things have gotten so messed up and that is why people in the US are so screwed up.

As someone who grew up around too many women, with a father who was an AFC who grew up around too many women, it's really hard to adjust and attract women in today's soceity.

To answer the question if it were easier to attract a beautiful woman 50 years ago i can't say i disagree. I look at my grandfather, who from what he tells me was shy and uncomfortable around woman, an AFC, was able to get my grandmother, who was pretty hot for the WW2 era. Of course he was pvssy whipped his whole life, but he loved every minute of it. I'm not saying an AFC can't get a hot girl now, but it's so much harder. In that time being a virgin or inexperienced wasn't as big a deal, hell it was even seen as a good thing. Now there's so much pressure to "get laid" it's messing up our society on both ends. I'm rambling...

 

[MisterMcGee]

AFCs can get hot girls. I see it all the time. The hot girl they get will play them for what they're worth.

You don't stop being an AFC due to wanting hot girls, you stop being an AFC to improve your relationships with them. Unplugging from the Matrix, escaping the cave, etc.

 

[The Logical Player]

either play the game, or STFU

nobody cares that you were manipulated by your parents and by TV when you were a child to think women are one way and not the other. SO WHAT??

MY dad used to tell me that a birdie told him all of my secrets.......and i actually believed there was a damn bird flying around telling him things about me!!! - it helped him to get me to confess to some of my wrong doings when I was a little boy.

Stop being a creep, and realize the world you live in. Take in the information, and become a goddamn PLAYER, one who lives ABOVE the game, and do everything you can to get women to do what is in your best interests.

You already know what to do, so stop being a p*ssy and JUST GO DO IT.

f*cking capedcrusader-b1tch

 

[Craig Reeves]

I mean, today you see women doing all kinds of perverted things on the internet, exposing themselves, letting guys they don't even know touch them intimately and have sexual relations with them. They dress provocatively, swear, get drunk (in public no less!), feel on guys and even EACH OTHER. Most troubling of all however, is that they almost seem PROUD of not behaving in a traditional, ladylike manner. Granted, men are just as guilty of engaging in less than wholesome activities. But women have always been the ones who were supposed to be polite, soft-spoken, cheerful, and most of all wholesome. At one time, society would have shunned women who even once engaged in any of the things that these loose women do today, let alone made a habit of it. They would be the subject of whispering gossip, disdainful looks, and the object of scandal. How can we (society) make it so women are pressured to conform to the more traditional role they once had, of wholesome wife and mother and caretaker?

I like this thread a lot....

 

[The Logical Player]

either play the game, or STFU

nobody cares that you were manipulated by your parents and by TV when you were a child to think women are one way and not the other. SO WHAT??

MY dad used to tell me that a birdie told him all of my secrets.......and i actually believed there was a damn bird flying around telling him things about me!!! - it helped him to get me to confess to some of my wrong doings when I was a little boy.

Stop being a creep, and realize the world you live in. Take in the information, and become a goddamn PLAYER, one who lives ABOVE the game, and do everything you can to get women to do what is in your best interests.

You already know what to do, so stop being a p*ssy and JUST GO DO IT.

f*cking capedcrusader-b1tch

 

[Daydream Engineer]

I agree with Logical Player on this one. I believe Cellphones and my space have made the dating game a bigger minefield than the 50s, and that women are sluttier now. You all are wrong, the 1880s was the time when women where the most funnest, back then everyone was wild and free.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn5hIqNbJGw&feature=PlayList&p=C05215B0FAADC7FB&index=62