Was America better off when women were expected to talk, dress and act like ladies?

[Darth]

What does 'behave properly' mean anyway?

Oh, not this moral relativist BS again. What do you think?

Here are some starters:

-Not swearing in public
-Dressing with some class
-Not getting drunk
-Not talking about how many guys they've "been with", or sex period for that matter
-Not having a bunch of meaningless sex, therefore wouldn't have the above problem
-Taking pride in how they look, doing their hair, sitting properly, etc.
-Not trying to be a damned man

 

[Phenomenal One]

Yes. America was WAY better off. I would give anything to go back to the 50's...

heck, even the 80's.

EDIT:
"if only women would wear longer dresses everything would be fine"

Longer dresses? Let's start with the basics. I'd be happy if girls wore dresses period. They don't even do that nowadays. They're all in their communist uniforms, pants and shirt or hooded sweatshirt.

the last time ive seen a chick in a dress was in the summer last year.

its nothing like the first time i saw a chick wearing spongbob pajama pants in public, that sh!t throw me for a loop lol.

 

[Captain Harlock]

Oh, not this moral relativist BS again. What do you think?

Here are some starters:

-Not swearing in public
-Dressing with some class
-Not getting drunk
-Not talking about how many guys they've "been with", or sex period for that matter
-Not having a bunch of meaningless sex, therefore wouldn't have the above problem
-Taking pride in how they look, doing their hair, sitting properly, etc.
-Not trying to be a damned man

But it's okay if guys swear, get drunk and talk about/have "meaningless" sex?

 

[MisterMcGee]

Today is the same as 50 years ago, which is the same as even before then. Different time, same ****ed up world. Live in it and stop thinking you have an authority on proper masculine and feminine behaviours, because they are mostly societal - you simply prefer oldschool patriarchal mindsets. Nothing wrong with that, but there were many more societal problems back in the delusional nuclear household. Let's not be naive and think that it was simply the same thing as today except with more submissive and feminine women.

This discussion boils down to "the women were more feminine, by my definition, back then, which is why America was better off." I'm concerned if some of you actually subscribe to this line of thought, are your minds so narrowed in on getting women that the more submissive and nuclear they are, the better?
My grandpa lived in Italy 50 years ago. He cooked for himself and washed his own clothes. You people don't know the first thing about conservative masculine and feminine roles, as you all would probably assume that 50 years ago in Italy (very conservative gender roles and ethics) women did 100% of the maid work and men did 100% the breadwinning work.

The ideal system isn't the one taught in those history books you studied in school. And it sure as hell isn't the messed up industrial and post-industrial American system. We're getting closer and further at the same time, in North America. But at the end, there's no ideal system you can say is the "right" and "proper" one that women should follow if they are true quality women. There's only civil rights and the way you choose those you let into your life; let in the people you like - if they so happen to all be women who hold well to your standard of feminine, you can pat them on the head and live happily with them.

 

[Alle_Gory]

But it's okay if guys swear, get drunk and talk about/have "meaningless" sex?

Yes. It's called a double standard.

 

[Darth]

^^ Personally I try to hold myself to the same standard. I try not to swear, don't get completely drunk in public, don't sleep around....

Today is the same as 50 years ago, which is the same as even before then

Right.......

The ideal system isn't the one taught in those history books you studied in school.

History books? The history books nowadays are written by feminist liberals. No, I got these ideas from my own experience growing up. See, I grew up in an actual family. A "delusional nuclear household" that gave me a wonderful childhood I wish every kid could have.

But at the end, there's no ideal system you can say is the "right" and "proper" one that women should follow if they are true quality women.

I think there is.

The woman in the hooded sweatshirt who's constantly spouting the F word, getting drunk, always texting on her cell phone, and sleeping around without giving it another thought

IS

not a quality woman and is not feminine.


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It's not so much that I'm disgusted by my generation of women (I am though), so much as I'm disappointed. In high school, I used to look forward to growing up, looking at all the juvenile behavior and trashy clothing and thinking, I can't wait until I grow up and get out into the real world where there are real women that I'm really attracted to.

Only to find, that now, in the 21st century, the real world is an extension of high school.

It just makes me sad, that's all.

 

[MisterMcGee]

Youre in high school and you think you know what is unobjectively feminine?
We can talk and talk about what we're attracted to and what we think is a quality women, that's all opinion based. But nobody here can be so naive to say "I dont like X trait, its not feminine. Skanks! Why can't they be more ladylike? Like the good ol' times... now let me get back to writing my journal for English class."

 

[Darth]

I'm in college, wise guy.

 

[Captain Harlock]

It's not so much that I'm disgusted by my generation of women (I am though), so much as I'm disappointed. In high school, I used to look forward to growing up, looking at all the juvenile behavior and trashy clothing and thinking, I can't wait until I grow up and get out into the real world where there are real women that I'm really attracted to.

Only to find, that now, in the 21st century, the real world is an extension of high school.

It just makes me sad, that's all.

sounds like a lot of frustration to me.

 

[Darth]

Yeah, I AM frustrated.

You know now that I think about it, it's not even really clothing related.

I mean, check out this girl from this mid 80's clip, watch this clip:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shANx257wHo&feature=related

She isn't wearing a dress, but I find her really attractive anyway.

Now look at this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W763...9218E015&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=14

She's wearing a dress at one point, but I have zero interest. So it goes beyond clothes...

 

[Captain Harlock]

80s fashion is awful. Especially shoulder pads. Very feminine indeed.

I however fail to see the point you're trying to make by posting clips of some tv shows only women watch.

 

[LonesomeLoser]

I only care about whatever would make it easier for me specifically. In my case, I think it would be if society didn't care about whether women were happy in their relationships or not. They had to get married and be FAITHFUL or get looked down on by society. It didn't matter what they wanted, that was the role society had for them and they had to get with the program or else. The guys could sleep around, get wasted, etc and it was just "guys being guys". Yes there WAS a double standard, and as long as I got the better end of the double standard that would be fine by me. I would have a better chance if women didn't have the freedom to be picky that they do today, is what I'm trying to say.

And another thing, if a man's wife got out of line he could slap her around and it wasn't "domestic violence" punishable by jail time and anger management classes, it was just a guy slapping his wife around, it was just something that happened. If the woman's husband wasn't happy with her, it must be that she's doing something wrong. None of this was fair in the slightest and I don't care, so long as I got the better end of the deal.

 

[DonJuan11]

- I only care about whatever would make it easier for me specifically.
- As long as I got the better end of the double standard that would be fine by me.
- I would have a better chance if women didn't have the freedom to be picky that they do today
- If the woman's husband wasn't happy with her, it must be that she's doing something wrong.
- None of this was fair in the slightest and I don't care, so long as I got the better end of the deal.

Wow, if that's not the remarks of an eventual serial rapist and killer, I don't know what is.

 

[K.Pez]

Wow, if that's not the remarks of an eventual serial rapist and killer, I don't know what is.

that's what i thought too

if you work on things in the dj bible, you wouldn't be complaining about how society's evolution is stifling your relationships with women. don't blame an entire country for your lack of ability to get women and your lack of motivation to better yourself in all areas of your life.

back in the time when "women talked, dressed, and acted like ladies", most women didn't have premarital sex. basically, the majority of people were virgins until they were married. that's not the type of life i would ever want to lead. if anything, the way society is today is more flexible for having relationships with many women than it was before and more comfortable with people having highly sexually charged lives. even on tv shows back in the day, men and women slept in separate beds. that was the lifestyle that was promoted - a sexless life. i feel bad for anyone who spent their adulthood in that era.





i bet women are having a similar discussion...

"would america be better off if men acted the way they did before i was even born?"
"...like hold doors, properly court me ... date me to date me not just cus they want to have sex with me but cus they like me and want a real relationship" blah blah all on some freakin chick flick sh!t. most women know that all the majority of guys want now a days is sex, so they act accordingly (in the way they dress, act, whatever) to gain some degree of control in their relationships/interaction with men. being a dj is knowing how to counter their efforts of trying to gain control.


darth - one outfit won't magically make a girl attractive to you if you never found her attractive in the first place. the girl in the 80s video has a better face than that chick in the dress

 

[slaog]

So school now has the answers as to how we should behave? How the hell can school and those stupid teachers teach anything about behaving? What does 'behave properly' mean anyway?

School should teach manners and proper behaviour because the parents havn't a clue. The teacher would also have to be thought. Darth gave some good examples of proper bahaviour. I'm surprised you had to ask what it was.

And you know this how?

And what does Keynes have to do with anything? At least the countries with a more regulated economy aren't being hit as hard by the recession as the US is.

Studies have shown that people were happier in the old days. Ask Leparello about Keynes I didn't mention that or anything about the economy.

 

[slaog]

We're not talking about the way men behave we're talking about women. Of course men should behave better too and in the 50's they did!


Were people perfect in the 50's? of course not. Did men hit women in the 50's? of course they did but in gereral men treated women better in the 50's.


Its obvious to me that the guys who don't think the 50's were better in terms of finding good women are more liberal in their thinking. So if you like casual sex then the 50's were definetly not better. If you want to have a good woman and a happier life then the 50's were better.

 

[ketostix]

I think the main thing is before all this feminism started you had a level playing field and women and men were acting in their proper/natural roles. A woman use to have to stay thin and desirable because she NEEDED a husband. Now any fat skank can make her way on her own, get married or be a slvt. Basically women are only as honest as their options, and nowadays they have too many options for their own good. Females have a huge natural advantage from being in demand for sex. Men use to have an economic advantage to balance things, but have no advantage today. Now that women don't have to hitch their future to any one man, they can play and use all men for their own purposes, and they are.

 

[Phenomenal One]

i don't subscribe to the "back in the days were better" or "woman were better back then" mindset because im only 20 lol but here's how i see things :

- real life IS high school, no more no less.
- you can do so much damage by bruising someones ego.
- if a chick wants to be treated like a "lady", she should act like one.
- people are emotional.
- people have standards that they apply to everyone else but themselves.

 

[Captain Harlock]

Wow, if that's not the remarks of an eventual serial rapist and killer, I don't know what is.

sounds like just a lazy selfish, boring guy to me.

 

[Darth]

We're not talking about the way men behave we're talking about women. Of course men should behave better too and in the 50's they did!


Were people perfect in the 50's? of course not. Did men hit women in the 50's? of course they did but in gereral men treated women better in the 50's.


Its obvious to me that the guys who don't think the 50's were better in terms of finding good women are more liberal in their thinking. So if you like casual sex then the 50's were definetly not better. If you want to have a good woman and a happier life then the 50's were better.

That pretty much sums it up.

back in the time when "women talked, dressed, and acted like ladies", most women didn't have premarital sex. basically, the majority of people were virgins until they were married.

What's wrong with that?