Vaccines got full FDA approval

[corrector]

There's only one problem, Corrector.

The Vaccine that got full approval, called Comirnaty, DOESN'T EXIST YET and was granted to a DIFFERENT COMPANY (BioNTech). Production has not yet begun.

The only thing has happened yesterday regarding existing Covid Vaccines is that the EUA for Pfizer got extended.

The Pfizer vaccine DID NOT get full approval.

The two products appear to be similiar, but with ONE KEY DISTINCTION:

You will be ABLE TO SUE BioNTech for side effects from Comirnaty. You CANNOT SUE Pfizer for any side effect experienced under the EUA.

As usual, the MSM is BULLSH1TTING YOU.

Consider yourself Corrected

https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download (go to page two, the second full paragraph)

If you can stomach a person whom the censors on this board have labelled a kook, here is a co-inventor of RNA vaccines speaking on the subject (go to the 20 minute mark):

Episode 1,197 – Pfizer is Seeking Full Indemnification

Dr. Malone sounds the alarm on liability coverage of the Pfizer vax. Our guests are: Dr. Robert Malone, JD Vance, Michael Yon Stay ahead of the censors - Join us warroom.org/join Aired On: 08/24/2021

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They just are marketing Pfizer under the name Comirnaty. It just looks like a paper-work trick with me so that it has legitimate status.
Also, just because you can sue a vaccine company doesn't mean you are not going to have any side-effects or that you'll win because you filed some papers. Having a legal right to sue and winning a case are two different things. At the end of the day, if it is exactly the same vaccine, and they just did a name change or did some mere formality so it meets with some regulation so it has the approval, then does it really make a difference?

It sounds like you are making a big deal about something that's moot. I don't recall quoting any news station or MSM in my original post. I quoted the same thing you quoted from. Re-read my first post.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

My intellectual superiors....another one on ignore.

Apologies Corrector, that post has been deleted.

 

[corrector]

Apologies Corrector, that post has been deleted.

Noted. My other post was deleted too.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

With regards to the FDA letter to BioNTech, it appears a step usually included in the approval process was bypassed:

https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download

At the top of page two, just above the section labelled "Dating Period", there is a noteworthy blurb:

"We did not refer your application to the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee because our review of information submitted in your BLA, including the clinical study design and trial results, did not raise concerns or controversial issues that would have benefited from an advisory committee discussion"

Episode 1,197 – Pfizer is Seeking Full Indemnification

Dr. Malone sounds the alarm on liability coverage of the Pfizer vax. Our guests are: Dr. Robert Malone, JD Vance, Michael Yon Stay ahead of the censors - Join us warroom.org/join Aired On: 08/24/2021

rumble.com

At 22:00, Dr Malone comments that this is highly unusual. Also, this external review appears to have a public comment period concomitant with it, so that is missing as well. So, there appears to be a lack of oversight forthcoming for Cormirnaty.

Perhaps the suspicion - reported in a May 2021 poll - by the majority of people in the US of Agency Capture (i.e. Big Pharma having excessive influence over the FDA) is well founded (poll referenced below):

Zogby Poll: 38% of Americans ‘Infuriated’ After Fauci Admits Nearly Half of NIH Staff Refused Vaccine

The nationwide poll conducted by Zogby Strategies also showed a majority (57%) agree agency capture is “real and a serious threat to our Democracy” vs. 20% who believe the concept is “overblown.”

childrenshealthdefense.org

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Show us evidence that this is happening with the mRNA vaccines.

I don't know if this has been peer-reviewed or not, but here is a preprint of a Chinese study done on COVID ADE

Europe PMC

Europe PMC is an archive of life sciences journal literature.

europepmc.org

For what it's worth, an antidote drug is being developed based on the above study:

A drug candidate for treating adverse reactions caused by pathogenic antibodies inducible by COVID-19 virus and vaccines

In a recent study, we reported that certain anti-spike antibodies of COVID-19 and SARS-CoV viruses can have a pathogenic effect through binding to sick lung epithelium cells and misleading immune responses to attack self-cells. We termed this new pathogenic mechanism “Antibody Dependent...

www.biorxiv.org

 

[BillyPilgrim]

They just are marketing Pfizer under the name Comirnaty. It just looks like a paper-work trick with me so that it has legitimate status.
Also, just because you can sue a vaccine company doesn't mean you are not going to have any side-effects or that you'll win because you filed some papers. Having a legal right to sue and winning a case are two different things. At the end of the day, if it is exactly the same vaccine, and they just did a name change or did some mere formality so it meets with some regulation so it has the approval, then does it really make a difference?

It sounds like you are making a big deal about something that's moot. I don't recall quoting any news station or MSM in my original post. I quoted the same thing you quoted from. Re-read my first post.

See post #24....there is a lack of oversight for it

And you're right, it is a paperwork trick, but the thing is it's being used to justify vaccine mandates. NYC and the US Military went into full-mandate mode yesterday due to this paperwork trick, which may have been the idea all along.

Due to the obfuscation, NYC and the USMIL now have plausible deniability (which works in the real world just as well as it does in Game) for the new mandates.

 

[Billtx49]

NYC and the US Military went into full-mandate mode yesterday due to this paperwork trick, which may have been the idea all along.

Due to the obfuscation, NYC and the USMIL now have plausible deniability

Not saying it is or isn’t, but DoD Sec Austin had said a few weeks ago that the armed forces vaccinations were coming after FDA approval, but that was predicted to happen about mid Sept.
Given the current military clusterfvck in A country, the gov may have wanted to speed things up for a convenient public news distraction…
If they release the forces vaccination news when tshtf, then that’s your paperwork error cause.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Not saying it is or isn’t, but DoD Sec Austin had said a few weeks ago that the armed forces vaccinations were coming after FDA approval, but that was predicted to happen about mid Sept.
Given the current military clusterfvck in A country, the gov may have wanted to speed things up for a convenient public news distraction…
If they release the forces vaccination news when tshtf, then that’s your paperwork error cause.

Agreed. And if the FDA approval gets too much scrutiny, turn up the heat in Afghan for the counter-distraction.

 

[BriBri]

This is called a strawman argument. Vaccines have never been “cures.” It’s either ignorance or deliberate obfuscation to suggest such.

Exactly! The purpose of vaccines is to 'boost' a person's own immune response to viruses. It's that simple. But, the world we live in nowadays often forgets (or intentionally ignores) the K.I.S.S. principle.

 

[Alvafe]

Exactly! The purpose of vaccines is to 'boost' a person's own immune response to viruses. It's that simple. But, the world we live in nowadays often forgets (or intentionally ignores) the K.I.S.S. principle.

actually most older vacines, note for children, give full immunity for said disease, so no kid after vacinated will ever get children paralizes or any other nasty thing who normally take they lives, but also note these vacines had several year to be made and others heavy years of improvements, these vacines are considerated save and only one take is needed.

vacines in general is not to boost, immune system, is to teach your system on what to do when said virus or bacteria is attacking you body, since your system already have that thing saved, with make your body fight it off, problem is virus are normally harder to fight back because they mutate too fast, hence why flu you can't prevent it, same for covid you can't prevent, but then you ahve the whole media yelling go get vacinated in things who was not tested right, so hey if you guys want to be guinea pigs go right ahead, after some years we see if it will have any issues.

but of course misery love company so people who take the vacine want others to take it too, because no way in hell they are taking the risk alone

 

[EyeBRollin]

actually most older vacines, note for children, give full immunity for said disease,

The level of immunity depends on the disease in question, not the vaccine. The disease sets the terms.

so no kid after vacinated will ever get children paralizes or any other nasty thing who normally take they lives,

It is a lie to suggest any of these vaccines cause paralysis.

, these vacines are considerated save and only one take is needed.

Wrong. Many vaccines require boosters. Ever heard of tetanus?

vacines in general is not to boost, immune system, is to teach your system on what to do when said virus or bacteria is attacking you body, since your system already have that thing saved, with make your body fight it off, problem is virus are normally harder to fight back because they mutate too fast, hence why flu you can't prevent it, same for covid you can't prevent, but then you ahve the whole media yelling go get vacinated in things who was not tested right, so hey if you guys want to be guinea pigs go right ahead, after some years we see if it will have any issues.

This is ironic. It is true that vaccines teach your immune system how to identify and fight the disease in question. But you suggest here that COVID-19 cannot be prevented so don’t take the vaccine. That is a contradiction.

 

[corrector]

It is a lie to suggest any of these vaccines cause paralysis.

There are vaccine injury reports set up for this. People report on them. Either way, they are probably very rare occurrences and we are talking about something like 0.01 ... % ..etc...chance of it happening for anyone. Saying there are no incidents is a lie, portraying it like it's a 50/50 chance is also a lie.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Saying there are no incidents is a lie, portraying it like it's a 50/50 chance is also a lie.

Actually it is not a lie. In order for “mRNA vaccines cause paralysis” to be accurate, there has to be a proven causation link. All we’ve seen is anecdotes of people who claim to suddenly get paralyzed after taking the shots. The cases I’ve seen, those folks already had underlying conditions such as epilepsy, which means they were going to get paralyzed whether they got jabbed or not. Causation must be proven.

 

[corrector]

Actually it is not a lie. In order for “mRNA vaccines cause paralysis” to be accurate, there has to be a proven causation link. All we’ve seen is anecdotes of people who claim to suddenly get paralyzed after taking the shots. The cases I’ve seen, those folks already had underlying conditions such as epilepsy, which means they were going to get paralyzed whether they got jabbed or not. Causation must be proven.

Yeah, but anything can be proven to be caused down the road. People didn't think tobacco caused health problems at one point in the past and it was later proven to cause other health risks. You can presume something is up in the meantime. It's not fair to the specific types people who say they had no health conditions or issues prior to taking the vaccine. Maybe the ones you know about did. But that doesn't mean its the case with everyone. You should always have a hypothetical in mind just to keep an open mind and keep the skeptics quiet and then say, so what?, rather than give skeptics a legitimate talking point to argue about that makes you look discompassionate. You can't just dismiss the VARS accounts like that.

 

[BriBri]

vacines in general is not to boost, immune system, is to teach your system on what to do when said virus or bacteria is attacking you body, since your system already have that thing saved,

I said "...boost a person's own immune response to viruses...". Injecting a person with a dead or synthetic virus stimulates the body to produce antibodies to combat that virus.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Yeah, but anything can be proven to be caused down the road.

Yes. That’s how science works. When there is evidence of causation, the claim will be deemed accurate.

People didn't think tobacco caused health problems at one point in the past and it was later proven to cause other health risks.

Bad example. Animals and infants can tell things like tobacco are toxic.

You can presume something is up in the meantime. It's not fair to the specific types people who say they had no health conditions or issues prior to taking the vaccine. Maybe the ones you know about did. But that doesn't mean its the case with everyone. You should always have a hypothetical in mind just to keep an open mind and keep the skeptics quiet and then say, so what?, rather than give skeptics a legitimate talking point to argue about that makes you look discompassionate. You can't just dismiss the VARS accounts like that.

Wrong. We absolutely can can presume that the anecdotes are lies. If I am 300 lbs and have a heart attack the day after receiving the Pfizer vaccine, I’ll have to medically prove their shot was culpable instead of my poor lifestyle. Anecdotes are not acceptable.

 

[Alvafe]

Yes. That’s how science works. When there is evidence of causation, the claim will be deemed accurate.



Bad example. Animals and infants can tell things like tobacco are toxic.



Wrong. We absolutely can can presume that the anecdotes are lies. If I am 300 lbs and have a heart attack the day after receiving the Pfizer vaccine, I’ll have to medically prove their shot was culpable instead of my poor lifestyle. Anecdotes are not acceptable.

can you prove that? then children and animals know tobacco are toxic? or is one of your anecdotals? I know for a fact animals can know some things are bad for then, but animals still get sick for eating toxic things, and don't let me even start with children

I find funny you say anectodals are lies by default when most of your writing is that.

The level of immunity depends on the disease in question, not the vaccine. The disease sets the terms.



It is a lie to suggest any of these vaccines cause paralysis.



Wrong. Many vaccines require boosters. Ever heard of tetanus?



This is ironic. It is true that vaccines teach your immune system how to identify and fight the disease in question. But you suggest here that COVID-19 cannot be prevented so don’t take the vaccine. That is a contradiction.

boosters after YEARS you had then, if I was not mistaken I was almost 20 when I had to take anotehr tetanus vaccine, not months after one and certainly not after I had the damn disease, and i'm questioning the how that would work, flu? don't work as well and I don't bother to take it, but also its been decades since I had flu so

 

[Morpheus]

They just are marketing Pfizer under the name Comirnaty. It just looks like a paper-work trick with me so that it has legitimate status.
Also, just because you can sue a vaccine company doesn't mean you are not going to have any side-effects or that you'll win because you filed some papers. Having a legal right to sue and winning a case are two different things. At the end of the day, if it is exactly the same vaccine, and they just did a name change or did some mere formality so it meets with some regulation so it has the approval, then does it really make a difference?

This isn't minor. As the Pilgrim said the Pfizer vaccine has not been approved. The approved vaccine, approved in an extraordinary way (as the Pilgrim also said) with NO external input or oversight, isn't even available. So the only vaccine which is available is the one, for which if it, for instance, kills you, then they are fully indemnified (face no liability). How convenient for Pfizer.

As they say, ''We are all in this together. Unless something goes wrong. Then you are on your own.''

By the way, the VARS system is regarded as being largely broken. There are reports of tens of thousands of people dying of the vaccines. Do you really think that Pfizer wants to be, in any way, liable for such deaths?

https://rumble.com/vlhugt-shocking-report-out-about-covid-vaccine-injuries.html

 

[corrector]

Yes. That’s how science works. When there is evidence of causation, the claim will be deemed accurate.



Bad example. Animals and infants can tell things like tobacco are toxic.



Wrong. We absolutely can can presume that the anecdotes are lies. If I am 300 lbs and have a heart attack the day after receiving the Pfizer vaccine, I’ll have to medically prove their shot was culpable instead of my poor lifestyle. Anecdotes are not acceptable.

Convenient example. What about if you are a fit 15 year old and get a heart attack after taking pfizer? Sorry, dont buy pfizer is 100% safe, and certainly not safer than other vaccines or drugs that are out there. The bad end of the side effects sound worst than other vaccines and medications.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Convenient example. What about if you are a fit 15 year old and get a heart attack after taking pfizer?

Same rules apply. There has to be proof of causation.

Sorry, dont buy pfizer is 100% safe, and certainly not safer than other vaccines or drugs that are out there. The bad end of the side effects sound worst than other vaccines and medications.

Being vaccinated with Pfizer is safer than being unvaccinated. That is the fact. Your belief is that Pfizer is not 100% safe.