Until man has got in shape and started earning decent money, he shouldn’t be allowed to have an opinion on gender dynamics

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Until a man has at least invested 6-12 months of his life to get in shape and properly looksmax (skin, hair, teeth, style) and also reached a respectable income level he should not be allowed to comment on the dating scene. Bro, you had your WHOLE life to get in shape - what’s your excuse? Guarantee 90% of the men complaining are also men are out of shape or who barely make enough to live a good lifestyle. What a joke. Take care of yourself first. Yes women clearly DO care about looks as much, if not even MORE than men do. Get in the gym - do it for YOU. So you can see a beast when you look in the mirror and you won’t be this SOFT out of shape mess that’s on the internet whining about women and theorising about ‘game’. Get SEXY and rich and see how things change. Just like men naturally want to fk young, healthy women (no game needed), women naturally want to fk strong, in shape rich men (no game needed). This is biology. The problem isn’t women. The problem is YOU.

Lol.

You and I began to walk in the same direction, side by side on the gym tip.

But where we parted ways is when you mention money/getting rich.

I think hypergamy is one of the most overrated concepts on the planet.

It is propaganda.

According to how I view the world, the average woman doesn't give a FUK about how much money a man has.

If you are that dude in her eyes, you can live with your mama and the woman will pick you up from your mother's house, if you have that kind of effect on her.

Besides that, look, if you are cold approaching women like I advocate, there is no way the woman will know what kind of money you have or make, and vice versa.

But what she will be able to determine is your attractiveness level to her, which is why I am a STRONG advocate of hitting the gym and building muscle mass, as you are.

Sure, there are women out there who are gold diggers who only date men that are in high tax brackets, but those are the women you want to AVOID anyway....and usually, those BYTCHES don't bring anything to the table themselves but a lot of mouth, attitudes, and self-entitlements.

If I was to hit the lottery and become rich..."I am rich, look at all the women I will get now" will be the very least thing on my mind.

But when I am in the gym pimping iron and constantly seeing gains, I think "the bytches will love this".

GET YOUR ASSES TO THE GYM.

 

[CornbreadFed]

There's this thing called OLD, which doesn't necessarily distinguish between suburb or hood. Tyrone ( handsome perhaps tall /muscular black dude with obvious game/ big D energy) is a REAL threat to both the mediocre asian and white dude. .

It must be at night hidden from the public because I see Tyrones dating down badly in the non black areas.

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Of course money matters you dumb **** lol you think a doctor and a McDonald’s cashier have access to the same women - all things being equal? If they both looked and acted exactly the same/ You think the cashiers girl wouldn’t be wishing she was with the doctor? Use common sense, if you were a hot chick you would exclusively want men that had money, you wouldn’t just stand by and let your less attractive friends get the better deal in life with the shiny rich guys. Why settle for just an in shape guy when you’re hot enough to get an inshape guy that also has money? A guy who has been crushing his goals financially and career wise is going to be way more attractive than a guy who is stagnant or barely progressing

also LOL at people believing Todd v dating a model. He sells dating advice FOR A LIVING of course it’s in his favour to lie. His girlfriend was exposed for being a 30 year old 5/10 LOL
In the real world women don’t want to date guys that selling dating advise for a living, they want guys with real careers or real talent

some of you really need to WAKE UP. If you were a hot model would you be dating ****ing RSD boot camp instructor when you can be dating a DJ or athlete or singer or ceo … someone that’s in shape, well dressed with something going on…your game means nothing bruh

why do you think all the hottest girls make it a priority to move to areas like manhattan, Miami, London, Monte Carlo lol

 

[SmoothSmooth]

‘Money doesn’t matter’
Cool…. loose your job and see how enthusiastically your model gf wants to f•••k you
LOL

leave the NBA to work in charity and see how many groupies you got left

 

[Gamisch]

Of course money matters you dumb **** lol you think a doctor and a McDonald’s cashier have access to the same women - all things being equal? If they both looked and acted exactly the same/ You think the cashiers girl wouldn’t be wishing she was with the doctor? Use common sense, if you were a hot chick you would exclusively want men that had money, you wouldn’t just stand by and let your less attractive friends get the better deal in life with the shiny rich guys. Why settle for just an in shape guy when you’re hot enough to get an inshape guy that also has money? A guy who has been crushing his goals financially and career wise is going to be way more attractive than a guy who is stagnant or barely progressing

also LOL at people believing Todd v dating a model. He sells dating advice FOR A LIVING of course it’s in his favour to lie. His girlfriend was exposed for being a 30 year old 5/10 LOL
In the real world women don’t want to date guys that selling dating advise for a living, they want guys with real careers or real talent

some of you really need to WAKE UP. If you were a hot model would you be dating ****ing RSD boot camp instructor when you can be dating a DJ or athlete or singer or ceo … someone that’s in shape, well dressed with something going on…your game means nothing bruh

why do you think all the hottest girls make it a priority to move to areas like manhattan, Miami, London, Monte Carlo lol

This dude keeps exposing himself as the ultimate charlatan of sosauve, its like he trolling us at this point...

It must be at night hidden from the public because I see Tyrones dating down badly in the non black areas.

True. Black men tend to date down, lots of reasons for this. Most common because some of them actually smartened up and realize that the hottest girl isn't necessarily the best fit for HIM.. A smart brother doesn't care what @CornbreadFed thinks of him y know..

I can tell you only ever payed to play..you've never touched Chad/Tyrone levels of looks, only money game.

You also never responded to the previous post about you paying to play and never getting genuine desire. Sometimes silence says more than a million words ...

Todd V lol, he has never sleeped with models. Come on... He is scam like all PUA.

what a dork haha. Talks with an annoying high pitch voice and way too fast. If you take advice from him you deserve to get fecked up by The Game.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Of course money matters you dumb **** lol you think a doctor and a McDonald’s cashier have access to the same women - all things being equal? If they both looked and acted exactly the same/ You think the cashiers girl wouldn’t be wishing she was with the doctor?

Bruh, obviously if I had a choice between Beyonce the rich and famous singer and Beyonce the Walmart cashier (same woman), I would choose Beyonce the rich and famous singer...despite the fact that I would still tap Beyonce even if she worked as a cashier.

The average woman doesn't give a fuk about any of that and if you were actually out there in the field (cold approaching), you would know that.

Use common sense, if you were a hot chick you would exclusively want men that had money, you wouldn’t just stand by and let your less attractive friends get the better deal in life with the shiny rich guys. Why settle for just an in shape guy when you’re hot enough to get an inshape guy that also has money? A guy who has been crushing his goals financially and career wise is going to be way more attractive than a guy who is stagnant or barely progressing

Again, if you are that dude, you would be able to close the deal on a woman before she even knows what you do for a living.

You must not be that dude.

 

[CornbreadFed]

True. Black men tend to date down, lots of reasons for this. Most common because some of them actually smartened up and realize that the hottest girl isn't necessarily the best fit for HIM.. A smart brother doesn't care what @CornbreadFed thinks of him y know..

I can tell you only ever payed to play..you've never touched Chad/Tyrone levels of looks, only money game.

You also never responded to the previous post about you paying to play and never getting genuine desire. Sometimes silence says more than a million words ...

I couldn’t really understand the post and also forgot. I have never paid for pvssy ever. My point is that if you want to date a hot model gf, you have to pay for it. In fact, all of the women I date pay for me. I am not scared of Tyrone and the ugly fat white women he pulls either .

 

[SmoothSmooth]

Bruh, obviously if I had a choice between Beyonce the rich and famous singer and Beyonce the Walmart cashier (same woman), I would choose Beyonce the rich and famous singer...despite the fact that I would still tap Beyonce even if she worked as a cashier.

The average woman doesn't give a fuk about any of that and if you were actually out there in the field (cold approaching), you would know that.



Again, if you are that dude, you would be able to close the deal on a woman before she even knows what you do for a living.

You must not be that dude.

Bro we talking 8,9 and 10s who have plenty experience with successful men, men with clout, men with looks. They aren’t gonna downgrade from what they’ve had before, they want bigger and better. Sorry to burst your bubble but that ‘dude’ is getting 6’s and got left behind in high school.
The top guys are competing with each other in terms of objective metrics - looks, body, money, muscle, popularity, fame, location. It’s the middle grade guys that are competing with game and pickup skills

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

@SmoothSmooth is 100% right. When you will start dealing with 8s 9s 10s you will understand. I like your posts Venom but from what I have seen (pictures you posted) you don't date the type of girls SmoothSmooth is referring to. I have dated a bunch of them and I agree with him.

8s 9s 10s?

According to who?

Who gets to decide which women are 8s 9s or 10s?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, bruh.

The pictures that I posted; those women are 8s 9s and 10s according to me.

The women that you and SmoothSmooth are referring to, chances are, I wouldn't look twice their way if I saw them, because they don't match my criteria of what I consider attractive (and I'm sure you two feel the same way about mines).

There is no possible way you can determine if a woman will or won't date you because of your financial situation, based solely upon whether she is what you consider an 8, 9, or 10 on your personal rating scale.

The two just doesn't correlate.

And lastly, again, if you are COLD APPROACHING women, how in the FUK are they gonna know how much money you have, or make?

 

[soulforge]

8s 9s 10s?

According to who?

Who gets to decide which women are 8s 9s or 10s?

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, bruh.

The pictures that I posted; those women are 8s 9s and 10s according to me.

The women that you and SmoothSmooth are referring to, chances are, I wouldn't look twice their way if I saw them, because they don't match my criteria of what I consider attractive (and I'm sure you two feel the same way about mines).

There is no possible way you can determine if a woman will or won't date you because of your financial situation, based solely upon whether she is what you consider an 8, 9, or 10 on your personal rating scale.

The two just doesn't correlate.

And lastly, again, if you are COLD APPROACHING women, how in the FUK are they gonna know how much money you have, or make?

Cold approach is all good... And she won't know what you're financial status is.

Up until she comes over to your pad and realise that you live in a chit hole, in a run down part of town lol

 

[Bigpapa]

@SmoothSmooth is 100% right. When you will start dealing with 8s 9s 10s you will understand. I like your posts Venom but from what I have seen (pictures you posted) you don't date the type of girls SmoothSmooth is referring to. I have dated a bunch of them and I agree with him.

For most of the girls that you refer to, as long as you have a comfy lifestyle ( nice apartment, a nice car, and some money to travel a bit\go out a bit ) that will suffice . In Europe this is what, 2-3k a month ( slightly higher than the average salary in most places ) . Yes you will not save anything if you earn this and live month to month but you will get most the girls that you are after

Having a salary slightly above average does not really mean that you have money

You start having money when you are 3-4 times above the average salary for the area you live. 2-3 times means that you are doing good financially

But in terms of getting the girl it will not help you if you make more money, unless you reach a Bruce Wayne level in terms of how you spend the money. Between what I said and Bruce Wayne additional money will not really help you additionally

This is why I am saying that money do not really matter, but ofc I am assuming that guys are not on minimum salary or similar

Guys doing decentish from a salary point of view will not put too much emphasis on money because they know instinctively that more money will not help too much their cause. The next level from this is owning a private jet or similar

And if you say that you need a private jet to bang really beautiful girls I will tell you to go f8ck yourself because clearly this is just a projection of your own insecurities and has nothing to do with reality

 

[SmoothSmooth]

bro, hate to break it to you, but any chicks that’s willing to bang a guy she met on the street without even knowing what he does is a low value chick with zero options or self esteem LMAO
‘I’m that duuuude I cold approach girls they don’t ask what I do’

 

[Bigpapa]

bro, hate to break it to you, but any chicks that’s willing to bang a guy she met on the street without even knowing what he does is a low value chick with zero options or self esteem LMAO
‘I’m that duuuude I cold approach girls they don’t ask what I do’

She can easily see if you are a high or low value dude from how you are dressed/take care of yourself/carry yourself/speak

You have a point but you exaggerate it gravely

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Bro we talking 8,9 and 10s who have plenty experience with successful men, men with clout, men with looks.

They aren’t gonna downgrade from what they’ve had before, they want bigger and better.

Few points

1. Men can play that game, too.

"I have plenty experience with women with big, G cup titties. So, I am not gonna downgrade to C cups. I want bigger, and better".

2. Again, I agree, there are some women who think like that...but they are in such a minority that they not worthy of serious discussion.

3. Not all 8s 9s and 10s think that way and even if they did, they still don't have those experiences with those kind of "guys".

4. A man shouldn't want to be with women with that kind of mentality in the first place. So, her not wanting to be with him because of X, is cancelled out by him not wanting to be with her BECAUSE she does not want to be with him because of X.

It is a wash.

5. Again, you should be able to close the deal before she knows how much money you have, or make.

If you are cold approaching, that is.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Cold approach is all good... And she won't know what you're financial status is.

Up until she comes over to your pad and realise that you live in a chit hole, in a run down part of town lol

You shouldn't be inviting women over to your house in the first place.

Suppose y'all have a falling out and you find out she is crazy.

Now she knows where you live.

Get a room.

Neutral grounds.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

bro, hate to break it to you, but any chicks that’s willing to bang a guy she met on the street without even knowing what he does is a low value chick with zero options or self esteem LMAO
‘I’m that duuuude I cold approach girls they don’t ask what I do’

So answer this..

1. You are an attractive guy (in her eyes), and you are oozing with sex appeal...and she wants to jump your bones..

Marinate on this scenario^.

Now..consider the following statement.

2. "I work in construction".

Now, is there any correlation between #1 and #2?

No, there isn't..because what you do for a living doesn't have a DAMN thing to do with #1.

No connection whatsoever.

 

[soulforge]

You shouldn't be inviting women over to your house in the first place.

Suppose y'all have a falling out and you find out she is crazy.

Now she knows where you live.

Get a room.

Neutral grounds.

Oh brother. You are talking about meeting some bich on the damn streets, taking her to a hotel room and rearranging her guts.

That kinda girl that you picked up off the damn streets, and straight to hotel room is going to be a trashy azz hoe. Low hanging fruit.

If dude picked up a solid 8-9 you think he's going to take her to a hotel room for a quick smash?

Nah most dudes who pick up a 8-9 want to keep that puzzy around for a while, which means he will at some point have to take her to his apartment etc.

Let's see how Interested she is after she sees your trashy chithole apartment, that you can barely afford to pay the rent on.

Some of you dudes more deluded than the chicks.

 

[We_ArE_VeNOM]

Oh brother. You are talking about meeting some bich on the damn streets, taking her to a hotel room and rearranging her guts.

You sound like a damn fool.

Oh, so only chicks that you meet "on the damn streets" can be later found to be crazy, huh?

Because after all, had you meet her at the library instead, she wouldn't have been crazy after all.

You guys try so hard to go against my points, you wind up exposing your lack of wisdom and rationale.

That kinda girl that you picked up off the damn streets, and straight to hotel room is going to be a trashy azz hoe. Low hanging fruit.

Wait a minute...so she is trashy for going straight to a hotel room to smash...

But she ain't trashy for going straight to your place to smash?

That is about the most dumbest, illogical sh!t I ever read on here...and that is saying a lot.

If dude picked up a solid 8-9 you think he's going to take her to a hotel room for a quick smash?

Yeah. As if it's never been done before lol.

Ever heard the song "Hotel" by Cassidy (featuring R Kelly)?

Or how about song "Holidae Inn" by Chingy (featuring Snoop and Ludacris).

Or how about on the song "Falsetto" (The Dream), he speaks of taking a chick he met at the club to The Westin...which is a hotel.

Would you like the list to go on and on with Rappers/Singers who referenced hotels/motels as places to smash chicks?

Nah most dudes who pick up a 8-9 want to keep that puzzy around for a while, which means he will at some point have to take her to his apartment etc.

Then I'm not most dudes.

Let's see how Interested she is after she sees your trashy chithole apartment, that you can barely afford to pay the rent on.

If you are that dude, she will FUK you in back of a car.

You must not be that dude.

Some of you dudes more deluded than the chicks.

It's obvious you don't know wtf you are talking about.

Live life, and think before you speak.

 

[soulforge]

You sound like a damn fool.

Oh, so only chicks that you meet "on the damn streets" can be later found to be crazy, huh?

Because after all, had you meet her at the library instead, she wouldn't have been crazy after all.

You guys try so hard to go against my points, you wind up exposing your lack of wisdom and rationale.



Wait a minute...so she is trashy for going straight to a hotel room to smash...

But she ain't trashy for going straight to your place to smash?

That is about the most dumbest, illogical sh!t I ever read on here...and that is saying a lot.



Yeah. As if it's never been done before lol.

Ever heard the song "Hotel" by Cassidy (featuring R Kelly)?

Or how about song "Holidae Inn" by Chingy (featuring Snoop and Ludacris).

Or how about on the song "Falsetto" (The Dream), he speaks of taking a chick he met at the club to The Westin...which is a hotel.

Would you like the list to go on and on with Rappers/Singers who referenced hotels/motels as places to smash chicks?



Then I'm not most dudes.



If you are that dude, she will FUK you in back of a car.

You must not be that dude.



It's obvious you don't know wtf you are talking about.

Live life, and think before you speak.

Oh lord give me fvking strength.

What you are talking about are exceptions to the rule..

Is it possible to pickup a solid 8-9 straight off the streets and take her to a hotel room for some fvking like a straight up *****, yes it's possible.. but it's very very unlikely for the average guy.

And If she is willing to talk to you off the street and then straight to the hotel, then I repeat she is likely a gondamn slut.

It's an exceptional situation. Most dudes or most average dudes are not walking upto godamn 8s 9s and getting a quick hand job off them in some damn hotel... Get real man.

This is literally delusional thinking.

Even if a dude manage to pull a solid 8-9 off the streets, do you not think he will want to see her again? How long is he going to keep taking her to some seedy hotel room.

When she eventually comes to your apartment and realises that your broke as a fvking joke, I'm guessing this solid 9 will be so deeply in love with you and your amazing dik, that she will overlook the peasent lifestyle that you are actually living.

Wow this is such surface level thinking.

 

[Gamisch]

Aa useal the missing element seems to be the element of marriage/ltr vs "just smashing".

First of all the whole idea behind a 7,8,9, 10 is ...bs to say it nicely .when will we men stop falling for the "hb8 trap"?
You MUST be aware of this! If you're not, you'll always be pedestalizing women who don't deserve it...secondly, every woman you've ever fell in love with met a @We_ArE_VeNOM type of dude at LEAST once..handjobs, *******sz ,finger banged in an ally and sometimes even taking it the azz are simply not counted as sex...

We as men project our little fantasies on life and women. Here's the OTHER side tho; some men NEED whatever type of addition to carry themselves with the confidence needed to go all in. For some this will be money, a great apartment and a nice car. Others only need..a great body for example.

No matter what a man needs, once he obtains it he can have the right dgaf attitude to pull "that certain type of woman ". Hell, womem LOVE these types of adventures WAY more than we men do..let that sink in gents..I've slept woth women without catching their names...

I am from the streets , where broke dudes indeed took womem to hotels claiming they " wont just take any woman to their luxury apartment because it drove the last 3 so crazy they threatened him". These dudes claim to be pilots, surgeons and top lawyers while they were BROKE. ..homeless broke that is.

Don't fool yourself into believing the reason she wants to progress the relationship is because of her genuine high interest.
It's never this, that's just the nice story that gets pedaled. A woman's desire to get married is all about her.

Cornbread, I think you are a little over confident at times. You lack experience with women. Other guys see it in you as well.

This

Coming from Le DUKE ,a man whose been around the block.