Unpopular Opinion: I feel muscles are overrated.

[sangheilios]

I got way more girls when I was slender with a six pack and toned muscles vs when I was big and benching over 300 lbs lol.

A lot of guys that start chasing these big lifting numbers quite honestly start getting into overweight territory, like they might be strong but have a body fat percentage that is legitimately above 20%, which is not good.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

A lot of guys that start chasing these big lifting numbers quite honestly start getting into overweight territory, like they might be strong but have a body fat percentage that is legitimately above 20%, which is not good.

yeah more dad bod territory. The guys with big ass muscles and abs are on drugs lol.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

This was a good read

 

[soulforge]

Anyone else believe men put far too much focus on muscles?

In my opinion, as long as you're not fat, you're good. So why not spend less time trying to get muscles and more time developing social skills?

I believe these are the most important factors (for pulling women at bars):

1.) Social Energy / Fun / Charisma
2.) Height
3.) Looks
4.) Money
5.) Muscles

In other words, I believe being tall and funny / high energy and charismatic will always outpull anything in a social environment.

Money doesn't matter as no one can really tell how rich you are at a bar, unless you're doing cheesy stuff like flashing brand name sh*t.
Muscles are nice but the ROI just doesn't seem to be there.

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I'd trade an inch off my d*ck, a zero from my net worth, and 2 points from my looks to be the tall high energy funny guy.
(When I say tall I mean like 6'2"+ )

Who ever said that you cannot have all those things and muscles?

Your a surface thinker dude.

The gym/fitness lifestyle is not just about muscles.

Lifting improves many other aspects of your life. You testerone levels are much higher, giving you that strong masculine edge.



This hard work ethic spills into every other aspect of your life, such as your career.

Nobody here claims only muscles are the key to success.

You can't increase your height right? Your height is your height, if your short then it is what it is. However you can build a little and get a little edge in the dating game by looking fitter.

You didn't think this topic through at all dude.

 

[soulforge]

A swimmers physique is all you need, the girls who want roided up body builders make up a very small niche. I've honestly stopped going to the gym and noticed no difference with the women I attract.

You stopped going to the gym.

Your health will thank you for it later.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Those of us who lift should let those who don’t want to just spout their platitudes.

I’d normally be on this topic like white on rice, but like the discussion about OLD, people like the OP just want to argue to justify their stance.
If you don’t reply they have no one to validate themselves with.

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

Women like fit men with wide shoulders, V taper and visible abs, not roided up homoerotic bodybuilders that look like clowns.

Brad Pitt in Fight Club is the kind of body almost all women love.

 

[SW15]

The best way to get women in the United States is to be a man who is 6'0"+ and fit. Fit usually means muscular arms and shoulders.

 

[BeExcellent]

Advice from the old lady:

Fit trim and defined wins the day for me. Soccer physique is my strong preference. More lean than jacked but athletic definition.

In my 20s my boyfriend of 5 years was a weightlifter although he always refused the juice. Classic V shape, 8” drop from coat size to waist size etc.

Curling up on his shoulder/chest was like curling up on a box of rocks. Seriously. He looked great in with or without clothes but not comfortable to curl up with.

Pros & cons.

 

[member162951]

Don't think 6' is necessary.

Brad Pitt in Fight Club is the kind of body almost all women love.

Agree. Brad Pitt is 5'11 and was 155 lbs during filming.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

I know the web says he’s 511 but I’d wager he’s like 5’9 - look at his shoes he always has at least a 3 inch heel. Nothing wrong with it, but actors always pad their heights.

Jolie is 5’6”, look at the pictures of them together. He is NOT 5” taller.

just more proof that anything on screen is never what it seems like ever.

Don't think 6' is necessary.
Agree. Brad Pitt is 5'11 and was 155 lbs during filming.

 

[soulforge]

Women like fit men with wide shoulders, V taper and visible abs, not roided up homoerotic bodybuilders that look like clowns.

Brad Pitt in Fight Club is the kind of body almost all women love.

True they lean look is much better. However some chicks do love a bigger guy.

But something that is universal is, chicks prefer gits

You're never gonna be huge like thoae bodybuilders even if you wanted to, so don't sweat it man.

Facts.. most people never get that big. These Over the top muscular guys are an exception.

The op is your typical dude, who doesn't want to put the work in, is more likely a weakling and out of shape.

He's just letting out his frustration for being undesiplined, weak, small and pathetic.

If war came to our doorstep tomorrow, I'm hanging with the big strong dude's.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

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I've done that for years. Don't recommend. All it leads to is you having to work hard to get lean during the spring and end up back at the same spot.

Unless you are on steroids your best bet would be to put it on slowly be being in a 200-300 calorie surplus.

 

[sangheilios]

I've done that for years. Don't recommend. All it leads to is you having to work hard to get lean during the spring and end up back at the same spot.

Unless you are on steroids your best bet would be to put it on slowly be being in a 200-300 calorie surplus.

You are totally correct. People go on these "bulks" and just end up getting fat and having to spend months to drop the excess weight, basically just going back to where they started lol. Best way is to make very slow and steady progress and maintain within a 10 pound range or so. You gain a few pounds of fat when "bulking" instead of something like going from 10-15% bf to 25%+. A ton of guys into lifting that you see at the gym are legitimately overweight.

 

[Divorced w 3]

I've done that for years. Don't recommend. All it leads to is you having to work hard to get lean during the spring and end up back at the same spot.

Unless you are on steroids your best bet would be to put it on slowly be being in a 200-300 calorie surplus.

It’s so funny, I haven’t legitimately been on a weight training routine in like 6 months. I started working farther from my house and dating a girl about an hour away and I just put an emphasis after awhile on body weight work and periodic HIIT. Before you call me soft I am playing free safety on my flag football team laying wood haha

 

[soulforge]

You are totally correct. People go on these "bulks" and just end up getting fat and having to spend months to drop the excess weight, basically just going back to where they started lol. Best way is to make very slow and steady progress and maintain within a 10 pound range or so. You gain a few pounds of fat when "bulking" instead of something like going from 10-15% bf to 25%+. A ton of guys into lifting that you see at the gym are legitimately overweight.

I lift heavy and generally only eat one meal a day.. and maybe a little snack.

Have gotten lean and gained/mentained muscle all at the same time.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

 

[Manure Spherian]

Anyone else believe men put far too much focus on muscles?

In my opinion, as long as you're not fat, you're good. So why not spend less time trying to get muscles and more time developing social skills?

I believe these are the most important factors (for pulling women at bars):

1.) Social Energy / Fun / Charisma
2.) Height
3.) Looks
4.) Money
5.) Muscles

In other words, I believe being tall and funny / high energy and charismatic will always outpull anything in a social environment.

Money doesn't matter as no one can really tell how rich you are at a bar, unless you're doing cheesy stuff like flashing brand name sh*t.
Muscles are nice but the ROI just doesn't seem to be there.

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I'd trade an inch off my d*ck, a zero from my net worth, and 2 points from my looks to be the tall high energy funny guy.
(When I say tall I mean like 6'2"+ )

Although in some ways “all women are like that,” there are differences amongst them and not all put priority or are turned by the same things. And I believe trying to figure them all out is a cope. Men who attract women or have women do not speak as if they have all of them figured out.

For the most part, women do not give a damn about huge muscles, physically fit men do have an advantage with a portion of women.

The same goes for money. Not all women have a stipulation that their suitors be high-earning, but some do, and will not give a broke man the time or day.

And the same goes for being a tall clown, as you mentioned here. Some women have stipulations for height and for the ability “makes them laugh”. Others do not.

I actually think I would have attracted more women in my younger years if I had clown game (no, I’m not joking). My wife and other women who know me think I’m funny, though I don’t try to be. But that’s likely from my innate, unintentionally animated, tell-it-like-it-is, quirky personality.

Being a clown is more effective in attraction for a chunk of the female population in the current day, as are other things that have no utility.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

See, but here is what you fail to realize.

Muscles do a lot more talking for you than your mouth ever could and they do it 24/7/365 even when you aren't paying attention to a woman or minding your own business or don't even see a woman who is checking you out from across the way.

It's passively attracting women while the method you talk about you must be using them actively.

And since muscles and working out are not an either/or proposition there is no reason why you couldn't have both. This sounds like a cope or a way to try and convince yourself that it's OK to not work on yourself in this area because "it's overrated".

 

[CornbreadFed]

I rarely see muscular jacked normies with attractive women.