Unpopular Opinion: I feel muscles are overrated.

[Gamisch]

I agree muscles are not the end all be all. I know plenty of short, bald overweight men with tons of confidence and with obedient wives. But let's be real now.

The strongmen type like Thor on this picture, will be attractive to women. But it takes an extremely masculine man to get away with this. Same for all the other traits. In my town there is a guy who is extremly tall, like in a funny way almost ,and he is also a huge incel.

By the way, being muscular is extra important when you get go bald, or when you are short. If you are both.. its EXTREMELY important to compensate with being lean, or even ripped if possible.

When you get older you rather be true type with reasonably big arms and shoulders. Grey hair, but still a threatening physique . The type of body and old men strength that takes 20 years of fitness to create. Women love that . .

Just don't end up looking like a 8 months pregnant woman . Mame sure you look oke in a t shirt.

 

[Jor-El]

Anyone else believe men put far too much focus on muscles?

So why not spend less time trying to get muscles and more time developing social skills?

Why does it always have to be an either/or ? Why not get the best of all worlds and develop both ? Seems obvious to me

 

[LucianoM]

from my vast experience in nightgame Id say it's
1. Height
2. Looks(Face)
3. Personality
4. Body
5. Money

 

[Zimbabwe]

LOL who told you that man? What is the same who said apple cider makes you lose weight?

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Brassica vegetable consumption shifts estrogen metabolism in healthy postmenopausal women - PubMed

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Dozens of studies show that Broccoli lowers estrogen and increases testosterone.

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

A phase II study of sulforaphane-rich broccoli sprout extracts in men with recurrent prostate cancer - PMC

Diets high in cruciferous vegetables are associated with lower risk of incidence of prostate cancer, including aggressive forms of this disease. Human intervention studies with cruciferous vegetable-rich diets also demonstrate modulation of gene ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Brassica vegetable consumption shifts estrogen metabolism in healthy postmenopausal women - PubMed

Previous studies suggest that the estrogen metabolite 16alpha-hydroxyestrone acts as a breast tumor promoter. The alternative product of estrogen metabolism, 2-hydroxyestrone, does not exhibit estrogenic properties in breast tissue, and lower values of the ratio...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Dozens of studies show that Broccoli lowers estrogen and increases testosterone.

I'll inject them myself in my veins if they give me back regular morning woods!

 

[Zimbabwe]

I'll inject them myself in my veins if they give me back regular morning woods!

They basically just block estrogen. There is a reason why it's chicken rice and broccoli

 

[patb]

The level of fitness has fluctuated fairly wildly over my lifetime. I've never sensed it made any great difference. When I gained a foot of height in my late teens, on the other hand, suddenly I was treated with a modicum of initial respect (not for long though -- still "awkward," after all).

 

[patb]

Your personality has to be congruent with your looks. I'm a very fit guy and have found many women don't like the intellectual side of me. They prefer I be a c0cky guy who just wants to have fun. I literally had one tell me that I'm cuter when I don't talk. But that's not who I am so naturally I repel those women.

Women wouldn't be women if they didn't reward you most for being your worst self.

 

[Zimbabwe]

Your personality has to be congruent with your looks. I'm a very fit guy and have found many women don't like the intellectual side of me. They prefer I be a c0cky guy who just wants to have fun. I literally had one tell me that I'm cuter when I don't talk. But that's not who I am so naturally I repel those women.

Women want the Strong stoic guy, let them do all the talking. Women are not really designed for intellectual conversation anyways.

 

[patb]

Women want the Strong stoic guy, let them do all the talking. Women are not really designed for intellectual conversation anyways.

It's worse: even the ones that are more or less intellectual still want a troglodyte.

 

[MatureDJ]

Muscles are no more overrated than Newton's Laws of Motion.

 

[MatureDJ]

Anyone else believe men put far too much focus on muscles?

Muscles are nice but the ROI just doesn't seem to be there.

Gymcel

A gymcel is an incel who works out, believing that a muscular body will compensate for an unattractive face. Gymcels will often spend countless hours in the gym...

incels.wiki

 

[SW15]

Money Muscles Game. Rollo Tomassi has said this multiple times.

Big muscles will help more than hinder.

 

[MatureDJ]

A swimmers physique is all you need, the girls who want roided up body builders make up a very small niche. I've honestly stopped going to the gym and noticed no difference with the women I attract.

Here's a song that explains what you have just said:

 

[Jor-El]

Gymcel

A gymcel is an incel who works out, believing that a muscular body will compensate for an unattractive face. Gymcels will often spend countless hours in the gym...

incels.wiki

Im not sure if you are pro/anti the link you posted,but, not all gym goers are making up for an unnatractive face,iv been told by lots of girls im good looking/a pretty boy and im muscular also,and of course,there are many like this...the (whatever) "cel" way of thinking always seems to be so black and white!

 

[Murk]

Pretty sure half of those guys if not all, are using PEDs

They are just very lean, they don't look jacked at all no huge chests, just lean and ripped can achieve with good diet.

Also, I think OP is saying muscles in general are overrated, not mega-jacked, just working out being in shape, and having muscles. OP is like Jake, a weakling, scared of working out.

 

[TimothyPrice]

Anyone else believe men put far too much focus on muscles?

In my opinion, as long as you're not fat, you're good. So why not spend less time trying to get muscles and more time developing social skills?

I believe these are the most important factors (for pulling women at bars):

1.) Social Energy / Fun / Charisma
2.) Height
3.) Looks
4.) Money
5.) Muscles

In other words, I believe being tall and funny / high energy and charismatic will always outpull anything in a social environment.

Money doesn't matter as no one can really tell how rich you are at a bar, unless you're doing cheesy stuff like flashing brand name sh*t.
Muscles are nice but the ROI just doesn't seem to be there.

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I'd trade an inch off my d*ck, a zero from my net worth, and 2 points from my looks to be the tall high energy funny guy.
(When I say tall I mean like 6'2"+ )

Yes and no. If I were trying to OLD a shredded physique for photos would make things a lot easier. I'm as shredded as I can be just to maximize my "hand" in my LTR. Plus it just feels good to be in shape. That being said, as with everything there are diminishing returns.

 

[Mike32ct]

Women want the Strong stoic guy, let them do all the talking. Women are not really designed for intellectual conversation anyways.

Or a Chadlite extrovert that says, “Hey, great game last night; what was the final score?”

“My bf is so charismatic. He’s got a way with words, ya know?”

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Or a Chadlite extrovert that says, “Hey, great game last night; what was the final score?”

“My bf is so charismatic. He’s got a way with words, ya know?”

Lol reminds me a douchebag that had status at school, I recall a day where he was in the garden with a small crowd around him and said something like "our team played like crap, Im really pissed off for those d1ckheads" and somehow the girls around found such concept really enlightning.

 

[Mike32ct]

Lol reminds me a douchebag that had status at school, I recall a day where he was in the garden with a small crowd around him and said something like "our team played like crap, Im really pissed off for those d1ckheads" and somehow the girls around found such concept really enlightning.

Yeah exactly.

I have NO problem with women responding positively to comments that are truly funny and/or thoughtful/intelligent. It doesn’t matter who it’s from.

But when it’s something lame/cringey or unoriginal or 7th grade level at best, it’s so weird to watch their faces light up with smiles and roar in laughter ONLY due to the speaker’s LMS.