Unpopular Opinion: I feel muscles are overrated.

[Dr.Suave]

Its gonna be hard (but not impossible) to pull 9s and 10s if you are not in shape. But not everyone needs 9s and 10s, some guys are happy with just need a girl who passes the boner test.

 

[HaleyBaron]

Its gonna be hard (but not impossible) to pull 9s and 10s if you are not in shape. But not everyone needs 9s and 10s, some guys are happy with just need a girl who passes the boner test.

You need fashion, too. And "suave".

 

[Velasco]

muscles are overrated in that they fall below clothes/haircut/smell for attracting gen z girls. I'd put muscles in the same category as tattoos/jewelry/piercings, which are add-ons to the former.

whereas, previous generations such as millennials and gen x girls may see more value in muscles, today they are a niche amongst gen z girls.

That's great you had good results.
Yeah those guys look great.

I have a friend who looks great (although not as cut as these guys) but has looks, height, and work his ass off in the gym
But he is not very good with convo (kinda boring) and not a ton of energy.
Kind of beta and quiet.. even though hes 6'3" and pretty built.

He doesn't get much action at all.

However.. If he was fun, had high energy and had charisma.....

There is attracting girls. And there is allowing girls to act on that attraction.

your foundation (clothes/haircut/smell+add-ons) is what attracts girls. Your 'game' ('not fvcking it up'/'making it happen' etc.) is what allows them to act on this attraction.

 

[The Duke]

1.) Social Energy / Fun / Charisma
2.) Height
3.) Looks
4.) Money
5.) Muscles

The guy that has all of this gets the best and most girls and its comes easier.

Strive to have it all. Why limit yourself? Its all important. Ask a bunch of women to rank that list in order of importance and they'll all have something different to say. Its pointless to debate this stuff.

Leave no stone unturned, details matter to winners.

 

[skipfontaine22]

Its gonna be hard (but not impossible) to pull 9s and 10s if you are not in shape. But not everyone needs 9s and 10s, some guys are happy with just need a girl who passes the boner test.

Yeah despite my original post, I do kind of agree with that.
9's and 10's are working out a lot so probably want a fit dude.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Anyone else believe men put far too much focus on muscles?

In my opinion, as long as you're not fat, you're good. So why not spend less time trying to get muscles and more time developing social skills?

I believe these are the most important factors (for pulling women at bars):

1.) Social Energy / Fun / Charisma
2.) Height
3.) Looks
4.) Money
5.) Muscles

In other words, I believe being tall and funny / high energy and charismatic will always outpull anything in a social environment.

Money doesn't matter as no one can really tell how rich you are at a bar, unless you're doing cheesy stuff like flashing brand name sh*t.
Muscles are nice but the ROI just doesn't seem to be there.

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I'd trade an inch off my d*ck, a zero from my net worth, and 2 points from my looks to be the tall high energy funny guy.
(When I say tall I mean like 6'2"+ )

I think it's a better alternative to looks max obsession online by Gen z. I noticed so many guys are trying to be pretty.

I blame low testosterone.

I think to be giga Chad you live in the gym. It's nonstop. I think fitness is important. It's multifaceted. Looks, fitness, money, game Etc. I think Tyler Durdan fight club aesthetics over body builder.

I've seen Chud pull more than gym guys tbh.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Anyone else believe men put far too much focus on muscles?

In my opinion, as long as you're not fat, you're good. So why not spend less time trying to get muscles and more time developing social skills?

I believe these are the most important factors (for pulling women at bars):

1.) Social Energy / Fun / Charisma
2.) Height
3.) Looks
4.) Money
5.) Muscles

In other words, I believe being tall and funny / high energy and charismatic will always outpull anything in a social environment.

Money doesn't matter as no one can really tell how rich you are at a bar, unless you're doing cheesy stuff like flashing brand name sh*t.
Muscles are nice but the ROI just doesn't seem to be there.

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I'd trade an inch off my d*ck, a zero from my net worth, and 2 points from my looks to be the tall high energy funny guy.
(When I say tall I mean like 6'2"+ )

Face> Everything else.

But as for being muscular. Everything matters. It’s better if you are muscular. With that being said. It certainly isn’t the most important. Work out for health, enjoyment & how it makes you feel better about yourself. A nice side bonus is, you will be more attractive to women.

 

[skipfontaine22]

I think it's a better alternative to looks max obsession online by Gen z. I noticed so many guys are trying to be pretty.

I blame low testosterone.

I think to be giga Chad you live in the gym. It's nonstop. I think fitness is important. It's multifaceted. Looks, fitness, money, game Etc. I think Tyler Durdan fight club aesthetics over body builder.

I've seen Chud pull more than gym guys tbh.

Whats Chud?

 

[jaymbrs]

That's great you had good results.
Yeah those guys look great.

I have a friend who looks great (although not as cut as these guys) but has looks, height, and work his ass off in the gym
But he is not very good with convo (kinda boring) and not a ton of energy.
Kind of beta and quiet.. even though hes 6'3" and pretty built.

He doesn't get much action at all.

However.. If he was fun, had high energy and had charisma.....

Just my opinion though but whatever... I guess it all matters but just remember : women are not as visual as men..

But heck if you had great results, and were bad with other stuff.. maybe it has more weight than I thought.

Your personality has to be congruent with your looks. I'm a very fit guy and have found many women don't like the intellectual side of me. They prefer I be a c0cky guy who just wants to have fun. I literally had one tell me that I'm cuter when I don't talk. But that's not who I am so naturally I repel those women.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Whats Chud?

Fat. Bulky. Like Vader the wrestler.

Not aesthetic. Strong AF.

Not saying to be that. Gen z men are trying to be pretty and obsessing over looks. Women are bulking season.

Obviously get aesthetics and fitness on point. Get diet and lifestyle in check. Get the bag. It feeds to female hypergamy. It's more important to live a higher value lifestyle.


The problem is that most men are trying to be pretty put skanks on a pedestal and cater to women. It's clown world.

The game is bait and switch. Comply or bye.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Your personality has to be congruent with your looks. I'm a very fit guy and have found many women don't like the intellectual side of me. They prefer I be a c0cky guy who just wants to have fun. I literally had one tell me that I'm cuter when I don't talk. But that's not who I am so naturally I repel those women.

I don't disagree with you but it goes to show the female dysfunction.

My suspicion is that the sages and men of the before time were aware of female nature and setup society to avoid the degenerative society we have now.

If you got game, there's never been a better time to be a bachelor. The game is catch and release.

 

[Smok1nAce]

Imma just leave this statement here.

A well adapted testosterone filled male will enjoy lifting wights and channeling energy into something like making himself more stronger and healthier.

 

[Hamurabimbi]

Your personality has to be congruent with your looks. I'm a very fit guy and have found many women don't like the intellectual side of me. They prefer I be a c0cky guy who just wants to have fun. I literally had one tell me that I'm cuter when I don't talk. But that's not who I am so naturally I repel those women.

this! I look like a ‘pervy pornstar’. but I’m actually a prudish geek. One of my ex-s told me ‘you’re far nerdier than I could have possibly imagined.’

 

[Slowhandluke]

muscles are overrated in that they fall below clothes/haircut/smell for attracting gen z girls. I'd put muscles in the same category as tattoos/jewelry/piercings, which are add-ons to the former.

I don't care about gen z land whales.

Muscles on a guy are overrated as much as boobs are overrated on a girl... Some guys are REALLY, REALLY into boobs.. Some guys aren't.. Most if not all guys like them. Same thing with muscles.. Some girls are REALLY, REALLY into muscles.. some girls aren't.. most if not all girls like them...

Guys in generally are programmed to like signs of fertility (boobs)... Girls in generally are programmed to like signs of strength; signs that guys guys can protect them (muscles, money, ability to form a posse and kill/protect someone, something.. etc.. etc..)

How much muscle? I think enough muscle to be able to fight/kill 80-90% of all other guys hand to hand with minimal, primitive weapons (maybe a stick or a rock); enough muscle to make 100% of guys say to themselves: "if I mess with this guy, I may be able to defeat him, but I'm going to get hurt.. so F it; lets be friends instead".

Anything more, and I think its too much work which as mention earlier can better be spent on other activities.

P.s. scientific studies have shown women like the sweat (and I'm assuming smell) of very masculine guys. They were given tshirts and were asked to rank them without knowing who the owner was. Most ranked the tshirts of masculine guys as sexier..

 

[Bandolero]

Hit the gym buddy . Do any sport you like .
It's for the mind

 

[Bandolero]

3 times a week - 60 to 90 minutes

 

[Bandolero]

@Jake_Gyllenhaal69 will say you look too jacked, and girls don't like that kind of guys, you know massive cope

Even if they don't like that . I am okay with that .

I also don't like girls who don't workout

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

Pretty sure half of those guys if not all, are using PEDs

They are in their early 20s, its pretty easy to make it work when your body is primed but if thats the case fine to me, I fully support anything that maximise results.

I know idiots that will pick fights with NFL players, especially if they haven't gotten laid in a while.

I know, I'm one of those but I was used to get in conflict with bouncers instead cause when you're used to fight you are not so much in the mood to tolerate a roided **** that wants to show off.

I once had a fight with a 120kg bouncers while I was about 80kg, he threw me around like I was a kid while my low kicks were nothing on his legs but at some point I managed to grab his leg and get him on the ground (google single-leg take down), he didnt get any damage but he stop be an a-hole cause he understood he wasnt invincible.

 

[Slowhandluke]

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I once had a fight with a 120kg bouncers while I was about 80kg, he threw me around like I was a kid while my low kicks were nothing on his legs but at some point I managed to grab his leg and get him on the ground (google single-leg take down), he didnt get any damage but he stop be an ******* cause he understood he wasnt invincible.

So he could have curbed stomped u, but he didn't and was surprised how u kept on trying? Most people know they are not invincible. There will always be someone bigger/badder etc. unless they are in highschool (really young).

I'm leaning towards the bouncer thinking: "shiet, why is this shiet try to still fight me? Or great, he got a hit on me..."

I could be wrong though... whatever...

 

[Fortune_favors_the_bold]

So he could have curbed stomped u, but he didn't and was surprised how u kept on trying? Most people know they are not invincible. There will always be someone bigger/badder etc. unless they are in highschool (really young).

I'm leaning towards the bouncer thinking: "shiet, why is this shiet try to still fight me? Or great, he got a hit on me..."

I could be wrong though... whatever...

I simply think that his motivation to attack me was too weak for him to risk something which means that the fear for him to get injured was bigger than his desire to harm me.

Also when a guy half your size faces you with no fear and throws you on the ground and you dont even understand what happened, you kinda get concerned.

Personally I would be much more concerned of a crazy man with a knife than a cop with a pistol.