Unpopular opinion: cold approach is a WASTE of time.

[Solomon]

Most of the jacked dudes that you refer to are retarded when it comes to social skills, so doubt that is relevant

Most likely you can put them anywhere on this planet and more or less they will still talk with mainly fatties

I disagree, personally what I think it is, is that the guys aim for low-hanging fruit because approaching the hottest of the hot chick in Miami you gonna have to have money or status to boot with your looks. Miami is a very superficial environment. Celebrities walking around like every day people, a concentration of millionaires most of them whom are unknown and have no problem tricking of their money on hot women. The sugar baby culture in Miami is a real thing. Women in Miami get exposed to high-end yact parties, VIP parties etc. Yes it happens everywhere but in Miami it's at a different level.

Not saying jack dudes don't pull but in Mami being jacked is expected whereas in Bum**** Neberaska you would instantly stand out and could pull of that alone

 

[Bigpapa]

As an Asian dude, Europe was easier for me

I always found Asian girls quite difficult, mainly because they are extremely cold and not that talkative ( excluding the h00kers or those looking for sugar daddies )

Same as Russians for example

 

[SW15]

Miami is super competitive, I remember Jacked dudes approaching fatties that's how competitive it was (meaning the guys were approaching anything and everything) in a scene like that it's all about your network and who you know. Miami does probably have the hottest women in the states, if you really wanna test your game you gotta bring it on all levels (money, status, body etc)

Many US cities are super competition. Dallas is up there with Miami in terms of competitiveness. You're correct in everything you say about Miami.

In seduction you have to be very flexible, and learn from experience, what works and what doesnt work. Nightgame is a big waste of time, its a matter of luck more than anything else.

I thought his approach journal was a fairly typical representation of a lot of men's experiences in cold approaching. I think your point about being flexible has merit and that cold approach will have a lot of failure involved in it. The trial and error component of cold approaching can be perceived as inefficient.

 

[DreamAgain]

I agree with you, but the best girls are in Europe. American girls, the moment they speak it's a turn off. But when a hot Estonian girl starts speaking her "impossible language to learn", it's sexy as fvck (Hungarian, Slovak, Czech, Ukrainian, Russian, Serbian especially).
American and Canadian girls are average, they are not very attractive. Quebec girls have a little edge because of the language (Quebec French), I'm from Quebec and I find them mehh. They are covered with tattoos and and have no common sense (woke). I left North America a few year ago and I dont think I will ever come back. Best thing I've done in my life.

Overall European girls are better just by discarding all the obese ones in the US. On average they are more intelligent too. If the ability to earn money wasn't so much better in the US I would have left a long time ago.

Obesity is an epidemic in the US.

 

[DreamAgain]

Social mobility in europe is much worse. Basically you need to be fortunate to have come from a rich family who owns real estate of some kind.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Believe it or not, game is way more competitive in Europe than it is in the us

Bull shvt lol, I see ugly euro dudes pulling above their league all of the time. You only see that with Hispanic or Asians culture maxing here.

Most of the Americans struggle in Europe, while most of the Europeans not really in the US

I have no comment to that because I’ve never read anything about it or went out of my way to date around while in Europe. However, 2 of my exes are European though.

Never heard a girl ever talking about a sexy American guy

American girls here prefer American guys. You have a few girls that prefer foreign, but that’s very few.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

-I dont go to bars/nightgame, waste of time and money. I approach during the day, while I do my stuff. 0$
-I rarely approach duos or groups. 1 on 1, 5mins max.
-Jesse Pinkman was a rookie, a spam approacher, with his wingman. Not a good example, you dont want to be like him, he was pathetic. He spent a lot of energy going out and trying to open sets with outdated pua bs. Plus all the time wasted writting his reports. Not a model i recommend.

Truth, like putting that much effort into it is a cop out from just recording your interactions on camera where you stand to learn much more, not just from your own views but the views of others as well.

 

[bat soup]

It's a waste of time if it's not giving you any results. So it depends on what results you are getting.

 

[CornbreadFed]

No matter what, bars, parties, and clubs are the most appropriate areas to cold approach with the least repercussions. In a retail/commercial store environment, you are better off engaging with the clerk than a random girl grocery shopping. The only girls I know that hoped to get cold approached at Target are low quality hopeless romantic women. You can disagree all you want, but if you are actively approaching locals aggressively in the same spot, you will become infamous in the city.

 

[SW15]

No matter what, bars, parties, and clubs are the most appropriate areas to cold approach with the least repercussions.

Nightlife venues are the most natural place to approach strangers. That has benefits and drawbacks. When women expect to be approached (as they expect to be at nightlife venues), they often put up bigger biatch shields and can project a more standoff-ish vibe. At the same time, there's an argument that women are more receptive to fielding an approach by the act of attending a nightlife venue.

You mentioned parties, which aren't the same as nightlife venues in a lot of cases. A lot of parties are private parties which happen at someone's home. It's far easier to approach someone at a private party in someone's home than in a nightlife venue open to the public. Parties are closer to being social circle game in most cases than actual cold approaching.

In a retail/commercial store environment, you are better off engaging with the clerk than a random girl grocery shopping.

I made a thread about this topic in 2020.

Successfully Approaching Women at Work (General Public Workers)

The idea of approaching women while they are at their jobs containing interaction with the general public is a topic that is somewhat contentious among men. When I think of women who work with the general public, these are the categories that come to mind of women to approach. Strippers...

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Women who are working aren't often in the correct mindset to field an approach. I've generally believed in not hitting on women at work. It's ideal to meet women who work with the public in settings outside of work.

A woman who is on her leisure time at a grocery store or in a mall might be more open to being approached. In general, most leisure time shoppers are going to be women who are already in a relationship and not seeking new penis.

A lot of the workers are going to be on the clock AND already in a relationship/not seeking new penis. Being on the clock is an additional barrier to a successful approach.

The only girls I know that hoped to get cold approached at Target are low quality hopeless romantic women.

This is mostly true. The typical woman that a man approaches in a retail/commercial store environment is not planning to be approached in that environment. A man might be able to catch a woman receptive to approaches if he's approach in a store setting in an area with a lot of unmarrieds. Even with that extra layer of target, the typical woman in a grocery store, mall, or bookstore is a woman in an existing relationship who isn't seeking new penis.

if you are actively approaching locals aggressively in the same spot, you will become infamous in the city.

That's why a man needs to mix up his approach venues if he approaches strangers. He's likely going to need to use a mix of traditional daygame venues with some nightlife venues. It's feasible enough to do a daygame-only strategy if a man uses multiple different grocery stores, malls, outdoor venues, and gyms.

This also depends upon the population of that city/metro area. It'd be quite difficult to become infamous in any of the Top 10-20 USA metro areas.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Way more difficult in Europe, whatever the country is (UK is an exception I think). Add the language barrier, the conservative mentality, "no" hookup culture. In North America, yo go on a date and if you don't act like a retarded there are pretty good chance that you gonna get laid. In Europe you can date a girl for weeks even months before you can bang her, it's just normal.

Europeans also don't mingle in bars the way they do in the US and Canada. They go in pairs or groups and sit at tables. Approaching is more of a challenge.

 

[DreamAgain]

Europeans also don't mingle in bars the way they do in the US and Canada. They go in pairs or groups and sit at tables. Approaching is more of a challenge.

I found this also to be true during my visits. How do europeans overcome this?

 

[Bigpapa]

I found this also to be true during my visits. How do europeans overcome this?

By selecting the right places, or flirting from distance

It is a must knowing which are the trendy places for the crowd you are targeting

 

[nicksaiz65]

The context of that video is that the daygamer in Dallas is a novice daygamer. For a novice daygamer, it's a so-so approach.

I've never believed in the running from behind a woman, going in front of her, and then delivering the opener tactic like the guy does at 14:35 and with his other Katy Trail approaches. It is a more cringy way to approach in general.

I agree with @mikedee that any number he got during his Dallas daygame session will likely end up as a flake.

The primary value of linking that video is to show that this novice cold approacher actually chose some good, targeted areas of Dallas for doing approaches. In the entirety of that video, he approached at the Katy Trail, Klyde Warren Park, Griggs Park, and on random side streets of Uptown Dallas. Katy Trail has a lot of foot traffic for unmarried people in their 20s/30s. Klyde Warren Park and Griggs Park are both urban parks near Downtown Dallas where a lot of the nearby residents are unmarried. Uptown/Downtown Dallas are areas with a high concentration of unmarried people, so approaching on a side residential street near apartments and townhomes is not a bad plan.

My point is that even with choosing solid venues for approaching AND having solid approach tactics, approaching strangers is often very inefficient and doesn't deliver fantastic results.

I have done daygame approach sessions at Katy Trail for 2 hours on a weekend afternoon and come away with nothing to show for it. Unlike that novice daygamer, I am a daygamer with 10+ years experience doing daygame and sometimes I still walk away from a Katy session with nothing. Katy has the best and most targeted foot traffic of any outdoor venue in Dallas. I have also daygamed at Klyde Warren and Griggs too, though less frequently than Katy.

Also, Dallas is a very competitive market in general.

+1 on not running up from behind like on the video. I think the most important thing is, you just don’t approach from behind, getting in front of her first.

 

[Manure Spherian]

I consider cold approaching to be weird and anti-social. When I was single I used IOI and “walking through open doors” approach. If I were single these days I’d do that.

Generally speaking, it a man doesn’t get IOI’s, something is amiss. I also don’t think “game” is required.

 

[Sinn]

I consider cold approaching to be weird and anti-social. When I was single I used IOI and “walking through open doors” approach. If I were single these days I’d do that.

Generally speaking, it a man doesn’t get IOI’s, something is amiss. I also don’t think “game” is required.

Pray tell how you don't think game is required? Its fundamental knowledge to be applied for success.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Pray tell how you don't think game is required? Its fundamental knowledge to be applied for success.

I’ve been with an OK amount of women. I don’t think I gamed them. Perhaps I did without considering what I did to be game.

 

[CornbreadFed]

After getting cold approached today, I will double down on my opinion. Unless I am in an environment that cold approaching is common or welcomed, I am not ready to be cold approached in other situations.

 

[Sinn]

After getting cold approached today, I will double down on my opinion. Unless I am in an environment that cold approaching is common or welcomed, I am not ready to be cold approached in other situations.

That is the point about cold approach. You have to be socially aware of when and when not to approach.

 

[Ricky]

I will sit down and read this whole thread but initial thoughts/contributions

Cold approach builds social skills and it can be synergistic with other methods of meeting women. The same skills you build meeting women in person can help any online and texting applications. Its also damn fun to be social and meet new people. Hell i've met tons of great women and also made new guy friends from going out to bars and cold approaching women.

Multiple times in my life i've moved to new cities where i knew noone initially. If i limited myself to going out with new co-workers or online game it wouldn't have led me to some of the funnest experiences of my life. I've learned about places in cities that even the locals didn't know.

Life is about exploration. Someone said life is about the books you read and the people you meet. It's sad that alot of people don't make an effort to do either (read books or meet people).