Unpopular opinion: cold approach is a WASTE of time.

[Gamisch]

Eventually all things will make sense.

I also often times wonder where us " the balance " in modern dating? If women have such an abundance while men struggle so much? A smv 8 man vs a hb 6 isn't even a fair game. I am also from a era before OLD ,where you had to approach, and you got " lucky " every now and then.

But then the realization strikes me.. oke instead of having 2k matches in a week ,you will be busy building YOURSELF. Let those women have their 2k likes. Eventually she'll make poor decisions anyway. She'll go for the man that all the other women go for as well. Like a primitive animal keeps making the same predictable moves.




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Lets not forget that back then you cold approached a dimepiece with the goal to KEEP her around for SOME time. Ofcourse you tried to get more than one, but hell no you would throw away a nice hb7,5.

Even IF a man gets many likes he'll end up feminized; you'll be spending WAY too much time framing yourself with and around women.(funny side note : all these socalled "Chads " ALWAYS look like women themselves lol. In order for a man to be "model tier pretty " he must have feminine traits, and all of this BS just because you must be "pretty" on a picture)

And then one day, boom. Looks fade, new invention ,now suddenly women like this or that.

More and more women will monitize their "abundance " of options. There are no more secrets gentlemen ...they ALL KNOW now how easy it is to get suitors and orbiters. They all know about OF. They all watch documentaries about "being a high class escort". They all loved 50 Shades. Sex(the serie) ,sex and the city (back then) ,Cardy B ect.

 

[Gamisch]

Eventually all things will make sense.

I also often times wonder where us " the balance " in modern dating? If women have such an abundance while men struggle so much? A smv 8 man vs a hb 6 isn't even a fair game. I am also from a era before OLD ,where you had to approach, and you got " lucky " every now and then.

But then the realization strikes me.. oke instead of having 2k matches in a week ,you will be busy building YOURSELF. Let those women have their 2k likes. Eventually she'll make poor decisions anyway. She'll go for the man that all the other women go for as well. Like a primitive animal keeps making the same predictable moves.




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Lets not forget that back then you cold approached a dimepiece with the goal to KEEP her around for SOME time. Ofcourse you tried to get more than one, but hell no you would throw away a nice hb7,5.

Even IF a man gets many likes he'll end up feminized; you'll be spending WAY too much time framing yourself with and around women.(funny side note : all these socalled "Chads " ALWAYS look like women themselves lol. In order for a man to be "model tier pretty " he must have feminine traits, and all of this BS just because you must be "pretty" on a picture)

And then one day, boom. Looks fade, new invention ,now suddenly women like this or that.

More and more women will monitize their "abundance " of options. There are no more secrets gentlemen ...they ALL KNOW now how easy it is to get suitors and orbiters. They all know about OF. They all watch documentaries about "being a high class escort". They all loved 50 Shades. Sex(the serie) ,sex and the city (back then) ,Cardy B ect.

You are a FOOL if your main goal in life in this era is to chase women..

You'll be left broke, riddled with STDs and traumatic stress and drama. The cool giys and the players have TONS of deadweight, kids,debts. No modern or outdated skills. The players also couldn't forsee that their smv 8 shyte would = a hb5 due to male thirst.


I know nerdy dudes who've been working and saving money the past 20 years, and SUDDENLY their position starts to look brighter and brighter...hey if hb8 is a 304 anyway...might as well throw a ( for man in case) laughable amount of money at her like a 100/200 or even 300 bucks.

A man can build wealth ,power and thus financial abundance. Believe me , women WILL smell it on you. If you are a younger man ,around 20 ill promise you that your Gf will cheat on you .

EVEN HIGH PROFILE MEN FIND OUT EVERY DAY THAT THEIR WIVES HAVE ONLY FANS, DOING ESCORTING ECT.

You're a fool for chasing (CHASING) deadweight and trouble that will cripple you for many years. A woman is like a car, it loses value by the minute, let alone her attraction for you fades by the second.

Be smart. Cold approach MONEY ,STATUS SKILLS and POWER.

 

[Gamisch]

I had a Colombian friend, hb 6, she showed me her Tinder. She had so many matches and messages, it was endless. Most guys were 8 and above. I couldnt believe it. All thirsty to meet her.
I like her she's cool but I would not notice her on the street and immediately swipe her left on OLD.

What does this tell you?

That apparently that "8 dude" is also desperate and thirsty as FECK. 8 dude also gets ignored by hb6,5 and up.

And ofcourse he is. He is there ,swiping and matching with 6,s who ignore him. In a "best case scenario " she picks him , and he'll HAVE to invest in her...an hb6..what will be an hb5,8 next year...

I've come to the conclusion that I am an 8 + IF i go where I want and need to be. I can also get sixes on OLD ( and did it plenty of times) but it always felt like..."mweh..i MUST be able to get better" . No you wont Gamisch. Not untill you build yourself up to such a degree that you have LEVERAGE over these women.

 

[Learning Curve]

Yes. The reason why I made @Jesse Pinkman leave the forum after he threw a tantrum at me . I kept criticizing his (seemingly) endless and not fruitful efforts to get his D wet due to cold approach.

Here's the thing:
-a man must build himself UP.
-Cold approaching IF YOU are successful at it,will cost you TONS of money, time and energy in multiple ways: first the venues where you chase(club, bar ,drinks clothes ect) secondly the actual dates...
- you are way WAY better off spending time learning skills which can give you LEVERAGE over time.
-its about power my friends. I've been with ap many women that I can safely say that they WON'T make you happy. The happiness comes when you obtain true power and abundance. Chasing P00SY will always put and leave you in a losing position.

Cold approach is a waste of time.

Wrong place to post this? On a niche forum where men look for shortcuts and formulas to get easy shortcuts to get women.

We are dumb enough to run thia rat race with women. All the while we have time on our side IF we practice self reservation.

Learning skills that make you money, that improve your health yes.

Cold approach is the only way to get a woman to like you for you.

You are selling your personality, your looks only matter in the first 10 seconds.

If you are successful financially then you don't care how much money it will cost you if you can bang twice a week.

Cold approach will be and i'ts the only way to see if a woman is into you directly, body language and many other variables in place.

It's not about a woman making you happy, it's about having your love life in check besides Health and Wealth in place.

 

[Gamisch]

Learning skills that make you money, that improve your health yes.

Cold approach is the only way to get a woman to like you for you.

You are selling your personality, your looks only matter in the first 10 seconds.

If you are successful financially then you don't care how much money it will cost you if you can bang twice a week.

Cold approach will be and i'ts the only way to see if a woman is into you directly, body language and many other variables in place.

It's not about a woman making you happy, it's about having your love life in check besides Health and Wealth in place.

People act like "being financially successful " is something that is easily obtained. Like its the least problematic part of your life..while its the BIGGEST problem for most men. Their money /lifestyle ect isn't up to par with the quality of women they REALLY want.

Most men dont get anywhere near financial success before 40. Around the same time where their physical appearance starts to deteriorate. You cant have your cake and eat it too. You cant be an cold approach expert , spending time with women all the time while you're also this financial mogul. A woman is a depreciating asset!! Even if she's " cool " she'll always demand time and money from you. Unless you find a great fit.

You don't care about money until its gone...i get what you're saying, but it sounds too good to be true.

 

[Learning Curve]

People act like "being financially successful " is something that is easily obtained. Like its the least problematic part of your life..while its the BIGGEST problem for most men. Their money /lifestyle ect isn't up to par with the quality of women they REALLY want.

Most men dont get anywhere near financial success before 40. Around the same time where their physical appearance starts to deteriorate. You cant have your cake and eat it too. You cant be an cold approach expert , spending time with women all the time while you're also this financial mogul. A woman is a depreciating asset!! Even if she's " cool " she'll always demand time and money from you. Unless you find a great fit.

You don't care about money until its gone...i get what you're saying, but it sounds too good to be true.

Women will always demand time and money from you there is nothing you can do about that.

You either enjoy it and move on, or you build rules and regulations to match your "personality" and feel better about ur-self not investing at all to women. There is not right or wrong. Nobody will judge you if you invest money in women, bang and enjoy life.

If you don't want that then that's fine and i get that. At the end of the day is about what you want to achieve in life as a final outcome.

I always loved women, i don't care about spending 20 or 100 bucks going out and having fun if it's worth my time, and I find a quality woman.

Yes I agree with you that finding a quality woman is really not that easy. It's hard. Especially if you are broke, and you live with your mom in the basement. Forget quality women if you have this lifestyle.

 

[Millard Fillmore]

Which is why I would say it's only worth doing when you are actually out and about places in your daily life rather than taking time and going out to actually do just that.

This is how it always worked for me.

 

[Barrister]

These guys have no ide what they are talking

A girl that is only cute ( a 7 ) showed me her bumble, she had 2k likes in like 1 week

Unless the timing is right + you have a solid profile you will never even have the chance to match with her

These guys who are bad at cold approaching are also the guys with not a solid online dating profile, who are just satisfied to clear OLD of all the sub par women

I think I may have told this story here before, but I have a client who I have gotten to know over the years who I would classify as "above average" but certainly nothing you would double take at if you saw her on the street (probably a HB 6). She showed me her Bumble once about a year ago and it was similar to what you describe. She said she couldn't even keep up with all of the matches and conversation she had going at once. Now imagine you get a chick on there who is legitimately a HB 8+. I imagine a woman like that every time she "swiped right" would create a match with whomever she was looking at unless they had not already seen her profile.

OLD is good if you are coming out of an LTR and need to shake the rust off or you are literally just looking to sleep with as many women as possible. If you are looking for higher end plates or an LTR I would steer clear.

 

[Barrister]

Lets be real:

if you are working fulltime, have a side hustle, hit the gym on a regular, and need to keep your household in check do you have time to roam the streets for those 4 hours a day you have left?

Or weekends. You wanna spend an entire Saturday on approach? Oke. You get multiple numbers.

So now you're either spending time with a woman or chasing a woman. Those previous successful approaches need to be nurtured, ya know..This is what i call the " LOOP OF POOKIE &RAYRAY".

Meanwhile another MF actually builds HIMSELF UP.

10 years later. Pookie has some STDs, baby momma drama and other bs like fights with others pookies ,while the socalled "man without balls" chills on a BOAT, has cash to burn on whatever he likes and to invest and has several skills he can monetize even further because he uses his time to develop SKILLS.

And what willl this pookie-ish man do? Yup, cold approach some MORE...

I think this is a gross over-simplification of reality. First, you do not need to set aside 2-4 hours every weekend to cold approach. You can do this when you are out and about with friends and see a woman you are interested in or when you are out on your own browsing furniture. It also does not mean you need to "spam" approach like some guys on here act like it means. You can be selective and frankly being selective in who you approach is more effective in a controlled setting anyway.

Lastly, you can build a healthy lifestyle and still be spinning plates for years on end. That generally isn't MY style, but I have done it before. Your example of "Pookie" being broke and fighting with other low lifes after a decade of spinning plates doesn't really have any real-life application anymore than the life-long orbiter who suddenly has bought a boat and is satisfied with his life. "Pookie" can be the guy on the boat and lifelong orbiter the guy broke and with nothing to show. In fact, based on my life experience, the latter is probably more likely given the traits the guy who gets all the women normally has vs. the other guy.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I would compare approaching women to sales (you are essentially trying to sell yourself). How many successful companies and salespeople rely on cold calling and spam emails to sell their products?

 

[EndlessNameless]

I've been with ap many women that I can safely say that they WON'T make you happy.

Can you expand on this ?
My experience is that we always want more and we are never truly satisfied.

 

[EndlessNameless]

It tells me that cold approach is the best way to meet women. It has always work for me, I get what I want. I have dryspells sometimes of course but I ALWAYS end up getting laid girls that I find very attractive. It keeps my social skills sharp, decreases overall social/approach anxiety and it's fun.
When I want a meet a girl, I go outside and pick one, simple as that. I dont overthink, analyze, create theories or complain, I just act on my masculine desire to get laid with hot young girls and it works.
So all of you who cant approach (men in general), perfect it makes me stand out even more. Women love to be approached, but by the right man and the right way.

I wonder what your success rate is.
You obviously don’t live in western countries.

 

[EndlessNameless]

I'm from Montreal, but moved to Moscow and then Prague a while ago. It's more difficult in Russia and in the Czech Republic, more conservative in EE. In Montreal it was easier, but way less volume in terms of hot girls. I get very few lays, it's number game but when I get laid it's worth all the rejections because the girl is usually super hot (for my tastes).
I rarely get rejected during the approach but of course the boyfriend excuse is common, is it true or not? I don't care I just move on.
The approach and getting her contact info is the easy part, the dating and escalation process is where it gets difficult (in the EE culture where I live now). I'd say I go on a date with 50% of the girks I approach and I get laid with 5-10%. Which are "normal" stats for ".cold approach". Cold approach is not about getting laid with a bunch of below average or average girls, it's about being patient and getting laid with super hot girls now and then. It's a mentality, a lifestyle. I've been with 33 girls, it's not a high lay count, but ALL of them were hot, some 9s.

Ok but that's what I thought, you cannot have a 50% rate in cities like Paris where I live.

 

[Captain Redbeard]

Yes cold approach is a MASSIVE waste of time. The skills you develop have absolutely no potential to benefit other areas of your life. And you will NEVER bang a quality woman from cold approach so it is best to never try.

LOL the nonsense that sometimes gets posted on this forum.... this thread has ironically provided great motivation for me to go waste my time

 

[Gamisch]

Can you expand on this ?
My experience is that we always want more and we are never truly satisfied.

Not true.

At some point you better grow out of this urge to never be happy, and ESPECIALLY when this happiness comes from women.

Another thing is that at some point a man is stuck within the bracket of women he's getting. E.g at some point you are stuck at pulling 6,s or even 5,s and less. Big reason for this is or are rhe fact that technology and society is ever changing, and you as a man either declines in SMV or you in increase your smv.

Aint no such thing as stagnation in game,although most men would wish it was

 

[Solomon]

I see OP's points and can agree with some of them however everyone has to start somewhere, you can build all you want become jack, earn 6 figures etc. However, if you don't have access to the women that you want nor the social skills then what's the point? I know some guys making 7 figures and have no access to women at all who had to resort to tricking (thanks but no thanks). Cold approaching is a tool that you can use in your arsenal or a skillset. As a guy who has used cold approach, OLD, Social circle. Cold approach is the fastest if you know what you're doing and are in the right situation. However the easiest is social circle, if you have the type of lifestyle that can funnel you hot women or the women that you want. As you get better at cold approaching you start to understand nuances i.e. venues where you have the most success, the types of women you can do the best with, logistics etc

Not everyone can do Cold approach it's not for the faint of heart, it's only a waste of time if you actually don't learn anything or improve

 

[pipeman84]

However, if you don't have access to the women that you want nor the social skills then what's the point? I know some guys making 7 figures and have no access to women at all who had to resort to tricking (thanks but no thanks).

They sound to me like they're smart men ... they know time is money, they have enough self-respect not to loiter on sidewalks, in grocery stores or at the mall and enough sense to know that if by pure chance they would pick a woman through CA and have quick sex with her she'd be the same calibre of woman they pay anyway. So why go the long, roundabout, uncertain, potentially embarrassing way when you can go direct and on your own terms.

 

[Solomon]

They sound to me like they're smart men ... they know time is money, they have enough self-respect not to loiter on sidewalks, in grocery stores or at the mall and enough sense to know that if by pure chance they would pick a woman through CA and have quick sex with her she'd be the same calibre of woman they pay anyway. So why go the long, roundabout, uncertain, potentially embarrassing way when you can go direct and on your own terms.

If you are making 7 figures, you should have access to the women that you want because of your lifestyle and social circle.
With that type of income, you have the ability to meet women the average guy doesn't and you need to leverage it
I have seen it first hand and guys making 7 figures who have their stuff together do not struggle with the plight of the average sosuaver(even guys that you would deem ugly i.e. my pilot friend who is 5'2 but gets hot tail from LA to Paris)
Anything in life takes time whether you're cold approaching, building your ideal lifestyle or social circle you gonna put in work
Paying for women might save you time in the short run, but eventually, you may want a relationship and if you do you're going to have to have access to women.

 

[pipeman84]

Field Report:

Yesterday, I park at the grocery store at the same time a cute chick in a Prius parks. We pass by each other in the grocery store a couple of times and we’re next to each other at the self checkout. I time it so I would get to my car a bit ahead and drop off the groceries. I see her coming to her car and just said

Efficient aren’t we?

We got into conversation about recipes for 5 minutes. I ask if she had an instagram she posts her cooking. She doesn’t so I said let’s connect on new recipes. Got the number.

Small wins!

I wonder how she saved you as in her phone ... perhaps 'grocery store stalker'?

 

[Dr.Suave]

Field Report:

Yesterday, I park at the grocery store at the same time a cute chick in a Prius parks. We pass by each other in the grocery store a couple of times and we’re next to each other at the self checkout. I time it so I would get to my car a bit ahead and drop off the groceries. I see her coming to her car and just said

Efficient aren’t we?

We got into conversation about recipes for 5 minutes. I ask if she had an instagram she posts her cooking. She doesn’t so I said let’s connect on new recipes. Got the number.

Small wins!

Bro! Invite her over to your place to "try out a new recipe and c0ck cook dinner"