Waitresses who politely smile when guys flirt with them make over twice as much as waitresses who glare or don't make their customers feel like they are the center of attention. Why do you think so many guys come on here and talk about asking out some waitress? Because a GOOD waitress will make you remember them and want to come back and have them wait on you again. It's a component of the job and those who are good make a hell of a lot of money. Good waitresses can make more than you would think. Even on a quiet night I used to average around $50 an hour at a nice restaurant. In a bar I used to make over $500 in 3 hours. Waitresses that suck are lucky to break $100 under the same circumstances.Last Man Standing said:The above doesn't make sense!!! Is this how a wife treats a husband?? So it is his fault now???Put the blame where it belongs!!!
Your wife is choosing profit over principle!!! You got a keeper!
Don't marry a woman because of her looks - marry her because of her character - her past is the key to know her character!!!
She is gravely disrespecting you by encouraging other men to flirt with her -- divorce her now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you don't divorce her now then you are her lifetime chump biatch!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't care if she decides to wear the ring afterall - her mindset is still there -- she is cheating on you bro!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Based on what I've seen in the various waitress jobs I've had...an attractive waitress not wearing a ring can make over twice as she might otherwise make if she weren't as attractive or was wearing wedding rings and being as stodgy as the guys on here think she should be. You can't be that way if you waitress and expect to make any money.penkitten said:wyld, how much more can she make without the ring on an average night?
you can make 100 bucks in a few minutes sucking c*ck, maybe she should do that?
hehe. just being extreme.
once again, it has nothing to do with her, but rather with him and his own ideals and whether she fits in to those ideals.
wearing or not wearing a ring in itself is irrelevant. it only becomes relevant if wearing a ring is of high importance to him and low importance to her.
this is one of those 'lose lose' scenarios i always talk about.
see, if i got married this would never be a problem. because id only marry a woman that i had such chemistry and bond with and who i trusted 99% and who shared the same ideals and beliefs as me that this would not be a problem because
1) id trust her to go to work without a ring
2) she'd never go to work without a ring.
see, when you have compatibility these problems dont arise, because you both share the same ideals and are on the same page.
but when you dont share the same ideals, and these two obviously dont if only from the financial perspective - this sh*t happens ALL the time.
there is no right or wrong here, there is only the spoon, i mean ring. you must realize there is no ring. your mind is the ring. (lame attempt to paraphrase the matrix).
hehe. just being extreme.
once again, it has nothing to do with her, but rather with him and his own ideals and whether she fits in to those ideals.
wearing or not wearing a ring in itself is irrelevant. it only becomes relevant if wearing a ring is of high importance to him and low importance to her.
this is one of those 'lose lose' scenarios i always talk about.
see, if i got married this would never be a problem. because id only marry a woman that i had such chemistry and bond with and who i trusted 99% and who shared the same ideals and beliefs as me that this would not be a problem because
1) id trust her to go to work without a ring
2) she'd never go to work without a ring.
see, when you have compatibility these problems dont arise, because you both share the same ideals and are on the same page.
but when you dont share the same ideals, and these two obviously dont if only from the financial perspective - this sh*t happens ALL the time.
there is no right or wrong here, there is only the spoon, i mean ring. you must realize there is no ring. your mind is the ring. (lame attempt to paraphrase the matrix).
Hmmmm. As much as I don't like it, that does make a lot of sense Wlydfire. I did forget to mention that her daughter is getting married in July which is another reason that she wants this job. Her daughters real father has been MIA since she was very young. And this is just another goofy situation where I'm getting caught in a vacuum and as JoeKerr said, ' a no win situation'. I also never mentioned that when we were dating, I went to pick her up at the train station after she was done working and got my car wrecked by a drunk driver. I thought for sure the insurance company would total the car, but nope, they replaced the front end. Anybody who has had a car wrecked knows that it ain't the same car after that. The reason I was picking her up: She had her 40k SUV repossessed a few months earlier. This is what I mean: One goofy drama or fu*ck-up after another. I'm no saint either, but I have brought some (not much)baggage to this relationship. Another thing too, and I'm not making this up: She thinks she's a great wife. I really think at this point my best move is to slowly make myself unavailable( I'm still staying at my friends place) unless things turn around like yesterday and I'm not holding my breath on that otherwise I will suffocate!! I have a lot on my plate now with work and I want to go to Las Vegas soon to see another buddy of mine and the NCAA's are coming up and there's a little fantasy that I have not fulfilled yet that I think I'm going to make happen. Lets just say you're not supposed to do this if you are married. I'm just going to keep a low profile until her daughter gets married. I really do not see things turning around.
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Danny boy, it is obvious that you don't trust her - I don't blame you!!! You are separated, I gather, if not physically, then mentally for sure!!! Men are leaders - women are followers - if this is not the case then misery will follow for the man; thus, your miserable state!!! FLEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I strongly agree with you.penkitten said:sure theres alot of guys who would tip a pretty woman more if they thought they had a shot at her , however, a good waitress is going to make pretty good tips with or without her wedding ring on in the food biz.
i think she is lying to you about making better tips without the rings.
i think she is flirting it up with other guys, and might even be becoming very social with someone while she is at work.
committed married women dont take off their rings when they go to work.
come on, there are strippers wearing their wedding rings and making tons of money, so if they can... how come your wife has to take off her ring?
Men that tend to go to Jazz Clubs (as I have in the past for both Latin Jazz and regular Jazz/Blues)...would tip a waitress REGARDLESS if she is hot or not. Regardless if is a male providing the service. Regardless if she has a wedding band.
When a man goes to a Jazz Club...we go there because we truly like the music. It is a relax atmosphere.
Waitresses don't even have time to interact with the men (unless that waitress tries very hard - and some do), because the waitresses are very busy.
If she truly wanted to paid those credit cards...she would be getting THREE jobs. As I know many women do. She would be waitressing, working in a store, working in a fancy restaurant.Wyldfire said:Guys, you are looking at this all wrong...
If she is going to cheat on him she will do it whether she wears the ring or not. Right now she got credit cards charged up way too much. If she doesn't pay it, as her husband it can fall back on him and hurt HIS credit and he might even have to be responsible for it depending on where he lives. Whether he chooses to leave or not he sure as heck shouldn't do it prior to those cards being paid off and it's in HIS best interest that they get paid off as quickly as possible. If she doesn't wear the ring at the waitress job it WILL mean getting those bills paid off quicker. Then, if things do get worse and they can't hold it together any longer the bills will at least be paid off and he won't have to pay them or have them hurt his financial standing. Sometimes you guys just don't think beyond your own pride and/or insecurities. Be smart when it comes to money...
You people believe that we tip waitresses (which are moving around all over the place), because of a wedding band or lack of?
I'm a big tipper as I tend to tip 20-30%. And when it comes to drinks...even more as I tend to let them keep the change (e.g. drink cost $7.00, I give them a ten and tell them to keep the change).
This is a Jazz Club. This is NOT a bartender job. She will be moving all over the place.
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Just read another post in which he stated that she needed the job because her daughter is getting married. So much for credit cards payments!
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Once again...have you waitressed in a Jazz Club? It is a different breed that goes there.Wyldfire said:Based on what I've seen in the various waitress jobs I've had...an attractive waitress not wearing a ring can make over twice as she might otherwise make if she weren't as attractive or was wearing wedding rings and being as stodgy as the guys on here think she should be. You can't be that way if you waitress and expect to make any money.
You stated you are from a very small town in Maine. How can you even compared your experience to that of any other waitresses? I feel that it is a different experience depending of the venue. Don't you agree?
But that's beside the point. Comes down to what he feels is right. And I'm editing this, because I just read that one of the reasons she is taking the job is because of her daughter's wedding. I don't know if she was truly bothered by the credit card debt (maybe she was).
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First problem:
allowing yourself to get joint Credit card's, why the hell would you want to!
Or allowing your wife to use your credit cards, why would you want to.
Second problem.
illustrating to her there is a problem when the cards started to get maxed out or showed a sign of high use. I would have cut them up or arranged for her name to be removed of the cards.
3rd Problem.
Not standing up to her when she was getting away with what i would consider to be poor behavoiur.
4th Problem.
Your wife seems to be centered around her universe, this does not seem to be a comitted sharing relationship to me, this seems to be a one person boat and the other along for the ride.
5th Problem
Wife stating she is going to do something that she knows will annoy you, but doing it a way where she cares if it concerns you or not. Actually it seems it as been orchastrated to create a response or a negative situation.
Taking the rings off, for what reason, yes we could have tips.
But ask yourself this, would it have been far more appropriate for your wife to admit the problem when raised, helped you to correct it and showed a genuine urge to work as a couple to resolve the situation?
What your wife seems to be doing is instead of working together for a solution she is finding another means to work against the solution almost like a brat with a toy they cant play with so they sulk and start throwing there toys about! She cant get away with the cards, so what does this justify her working in a late bar with out her married bands on, or does this justify her working in a bar with her married bands on!
Would it not be more appropriate to work some-where else where by she does not further fuc* up the relationship and pis* you off even further?
And your the one coming to a forum asking for relationship advice?
Is your wife going to a forum and asking for advice on how to work in a marriage? or is she frequanting the local feminsit movement and into making her husbands life a living hell!
Who or what is causing you the most drama and sh*t in your life atm and for the percieved future?
If this is your wife then sorry man tbh about it i would rather live alone.
This carries on your going to be more and more resentful.
i would suggest marriage counsuling if not this marriage is doomed, your wife seems to be living on her own rules and your just along for the ride.
how did it get to this, living with a difficult women is hard, but allowing a women like this to get away with what she as been allowed to get away with and it seems you have rewarded her shortcoming, i cant see how this would have turned out any other way.
The credit card issue is a big one for me, asking her permission or stating you did not like it, to be fair those cards would have been burnt or cut up if she liked it or not, especcially when it was clear she was not considering YOU in the equation of her spending, it seems a very selfish way to operate, so why feel guilty when your not allowing someone to treat you like a door mat, which it seems your wife is doing.
It was already put up here by FD, but you missed it, your not angry with your wife in truth your angry with your frustration in knowing your in a poor situation but not taking steps to correct it and how can you correct it?
You can't a relatinship takes two not one, if one is unwilling to make the other happy or at least compromise then what else is there?
It seems your wife is not trying to make you happy, infact it seems she is making you more and more unhappy and resentful, i mean it must be on your mind alot since you seek out a forum and post, is this how you want to spend your days, worrying about what your wife will do next? Cant focus on work or friends or other stuff due to the drama your other half as created on a constant bases? is this worth the joy of marriage and being with some one, sadly for me it was not, is it for you?
allowing yourself to get joint Credit card's, why the hell would you want to!
Or allowing your wife to use your credit cards, why would you want to.
Second problem.
illustrating to her there is a problem when the cards started to get maxed out or showed a sign of high use. I would have cut them up or arranged for her name to be removed of the cards.
3rd Problem.
Not standing up to her when she was getting away with what i would consider to be poor behavoiur.
4th Problem.
Your wife seems to be centered around her universe, this does not seem to be a comitted sharing relationship to me, this seems to be a one person boat and the other along for the ride.
5th Problem
Wife stating she is going to do something that she knows will annoy you, but doing it a way where she cares if it concerns you or not. Actually it seems it as been orchastrated to create a response or a negative situation.
Taking the rings off, for what reason, yes we could have tips.
But ask yourself this, would it have been far more appropriate for your wife to admit the problem when raised, helped you to correct it and showed a genuine urge to work as a couple to resolve the situation?
What your wife seems to be doing is instead of working together for a solution she is finding another means to work against the solution almost like a brat with a toy they cant play with so they sulk and start throwing there toys about! She cant get away with the cards, so what does this justify her working in a late bar with out her married bands on, or does this justify her working in a bar with her married bands on!
Would it not be more appropriate to work some-where else where by she does not further fuc* up the relationship and pis* you off even further?
And your the one coming to a forum asking for relationship advice?
Is your wife going to a forum and asking for advice on how to work in a marriage? or is she frequanting the local feminsit movement and into making her husbands life a living hell!
Who or what is causing you the most drama and sh*t in your life atm and for the percieved future?
If this is your wife then sorry man tbh about it i would rather live alone.
This carries on your going to be more and more resentful.
i would suggest marriage counsuling if not this marriage is doomed, your wife seems to be living on her own rules and your just along for the ride.
how did it get to this, living with a difficult women is hard, but allowing a women like this to get away with what she as been allowed to get away with and it seems you have rewarded her shortcoming, i cant see how this would have turned out any other way.
The credit card issue is a big one for me, asking her permission or stating you did not like it, to be fair those cards would have been burnt or cut up if she liked it or not, especcially when it was clear she was not considering YOU in the equation of her spending, it seems a very selfish way to operate, so why feel guilty when your not allowing someone to treat you like a door mat, which it seems your wife is doing.
It was already put up here by FD, but you missed it, your not angry with your wife in truth your angry with your frustration in knowing your in a poor situation but not taking steps to correct it and how can you correct it?
You can't a relatinship takes two not one, if one is unwilling to make the other happy or at least compromise then what else is there?
It seems your wife is not trying to make you happy, infact it seems she is making you more and more unhappy and resentful, i mean it must be on your mind alot since you seek out a forum and post, is this how you want to spend your days, worrying about what your wife will do next? Cant focus on work or friends or other stuff due to the drama your other half as created on a constant bases? is this worth the joy of marriage and being with some one, sadly for me it was not, is it for you?
Peace and Quiet
If you currently have too many women chasing you, calling you, harassing you, knocking on your door at 2 o'clock in the morning... then I have the simple solution for you.
Just read my free ebook 22 Rules for Massive Success With Women and do the opposite of what I recommend.
This will quickly drive all women away from you.
And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.
Vulpine
Master Don Juan
So, the wife chick is "putting the kids through wedding" like "putting the kids through college"? Why, wha? How about the kid pays for their own damn wedding? You have credit card debt and interest, and you are going to take on payments for a wedding? That's like buying a 10,000 meal: once you are done, you have nothing but some pictures to show for it. Uh... bad investment?
40k SUV? Repossesed? Bad investment. "Oh my gosh, I want to be cool like my neighbors! I'll buy a BMW SUV that I couldn't possibly afford! Hey, I know, I'll marry a guy and move into a mansion that we couldn't possibly afford and I'll make a bunch of credit card purchases that we couldn't possibly afford too! I mean, if Anna Nicole can do it... Oooh look! My kid's getting married, let's throw them a wedding that we couldn't possibly afford! Weeeeeee!"
This whole scene is just a series of bad investments. Like an expensive meal, all you are going to have to show for it is bankruptcy, divorce, and a handful of pictures to remind you of the mistakes you made.
This story really tickles me. I love to hear how people live beyond their means and get spanked.
So people live a lifestyle beyond their means in order attract a mate, get used to the lifestyle, get married according to the lifestyle, and continue to live beyond their means once married. Over a matter of years, the hammer drops: the carriage turns back into a pumpkin, and the couple falls flat on their faces for having lived the lie - playing the shell game with their finances to appear "successful" and impress their peers.
Classic. :crackup: Oops! Being bankrupt is going to suck, but hey! At least you can look forward to being "a more desireable divorced mature man". Oooh, ooh, maybe with all the marketing you could live a better life beyond your means after you get the divorce!
40k SUV? Repossesed? Bad investment. "Oh my gosh, I want to be cool like my neighbors! I'll buy a BMW SUV that I couldn't possibly afford! Hey, I know, I'll marry a guy and move into a mansion that we couldn't possibly afford and I'll make a bunch of credit card purchases that we couldn't possibly afford too! I mean, if Anna Nicole can do it... Oooh look! My kid's getting married, let's throw them a wedding that we couldn't possibly afford! Weeeeeee!"
This whole scene is just a series of bad investments. Like an expensive meal, all you are going to have to show for it is bankruptcy, divorce, and a handful of pictures to remind you of the mistakes you made.
This story really tickles me. I love to hear how people live beyond their means and get spanked.
So people live a lifestyle beyond their means in order attract a mate, get used to the lifestyle, get married according to the lifestyle, and continue to live beyond their means once married. Over a matter of years, the hammer drops: the carriage turns back into a pumpkin, and the couple falls flat on their faces for having lived the lie - playing the shell game with their finances to appear "successful" and impress their peers.
Classic. :crackup: Oops! Being bankrupt is going to suck, but hey! At least you can look forward to being "a more desireable divorced mature man". Oooh, ooh, maybe with all the marketing you could live a better life beyond your means after you get the divorce!
I got in a relationship with a woman similar to this one in spending habits - I was in college and she did not live in the area, so it was long-distance (which worked fine for me, I had little time for a woman then). Everything was great for three months or so, and then I started to see she had a little problem with respect as well. One day something changed and she was really depressed. It made no sense, so I kept asking until I found out: she had an unregistered car and got arrested because of it.
Thousands in credit card debt, student loans from a school she no longer was going to (with no degree), and now this? I dumped her on the spot. She was in worse financial shape than I had thought.
My point: if you stay with her for now, pay very close attention as to how much her credit card bill is going down. I thought my girl was making progress - instead she was still a clueless spender. Make damn sure she's paying that off as opposed to paying for her daughter's wedding. I'd be up front with her about it; let her know that wedding or no wedding, that credit card debt is more important and her daughter should find a way to pay for as much of her own wedding as possible. Your wife needs to tell her daughter she's in rough shape and cannot contribute much (if anything) towards a wedding at the moment.
Thousands in credit card debt, student loans from a school she no longer was going to (with no degree), and now this? I dumped her on the spot. She was in worse financial shape than I had thought.
My point: if you stay with her for now, pay very close attention as to how much her credit card bill is going down. I thought my girl was making progress - instead she was still a clueless spender. Make damn sure she's paying that off as opposed to paying for her daughter's wedding. I'd be up front with her about it; let her know that wedding or no wedding, that credit card debt is more important and her daughter should find a way to pay for as much of her own wedding as possible. Your wife needs to tell her daughter she's in rough shape and cannot contribute much (if anything) towards a wedding at the moment.
The credit cards with the high balances are in her name only. I have my own and I'm carrying about a 3k balance which is no problem for me- especially if we do break up. I have told her that she is playing a dangerous game with the cards and she has paid them off in the past by using her tax refund check. Now with this wedding coming up in a little over 4 months...sheeeesh. She also expects me to help on that and her daughter is my stepdaughter and we do get along well and she is a nice person yet just as spoiled as mom. The boyfriend is DEFINITELY AFC. Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm not exactly acting like a DJ myself.
Let's just state (or re-state) the obvious. danny62 is now fully aware of what is going on. Whether he wants to believe it or not, he is no longer the *victim* in all this. He is actually a willing participant if he continues to accept her frame, her crap and her disrespect.
It's a lot like there's a fire or water leak in danny62's home. And he just sits watching it (or looking away) blaming it for all the damage its done hoping it will just go away.
Here's the HUGE flaw with "staying with her until the debt is paid off". IT NEVER WILL BE. Only a friggin fool would believe that or take that ridiculous path. They are already separated for crap's sake. They both know it's over. If she is smart she'll milk it for what she can, grab another branch and then drop him like a bad habit. And he CAN NOT blame her for that because that is what this breed of monkey is programmed to do.
This is a classic case of a man trying to solve problems where a MAN WOULD MAKE A DESCISION.
It's a lot like there's a fire or water leak in danny62's home. And he just sits watching it (or looking away) blaming it for all the damage its done hoping it will just go away.
Here's the HUGE flaw with "staying with her until the debt is paid off". IT NEVER WILL BE. Only a friggin fool would believe that or take that ridiculous path. They are already separated for crap's sake. They both know it's over. If she is smart she'll milk it for what she can, grab another branch and then drop him like a bad habit. And he CAN NOT blame her for that because that is what this breed of monkey is programmed to do.
This is a classic case of a man trying to solve problems where a MAN WOULD MAKE A DESCISION.
...this pretty much sums it up. Lock the thread - he's just going to keep looking away hoping the problem will dissappear. Not a theme this forum should endorse.danny62 said:I'm just going to keep a low profile until her daughter gets married. I really do not see things turning around.
What happens, IN HER MIND, is that she comes to see you as WORTHLESS simply because she hasn't had to INVEST anything in you in order to get you or to keep you.
You were an interesting diversion while she had nothing else to do. But now that someone a little more valuable has come along, someone who expects her to treat him very well, she'll have no problem at all dropping you or demoting you to lowly "friendship" status.
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Master Don Juan
danny62 said:The credit cards with the high balances are in her name only. I have my own and I'm carrying about a 3k balance which is no problem for me- especially if we do break up.
You're married. Half her debt is yours, and half of your assests are hers. Period. If you break up, the law sees everything as "the couple's", not "his" and "hers". Which is why guys need to be weary of taking on a woman's debt before marriage.
This is the root of the entire problem. A) if she was smart with money to begin with, then her getting this job wouldn't even be necessary B) Being smart with money means finding better ways to make money aside from sending your wife into a sleazy environment to make money.Wyldfire said:Be smart when it comes to money...
In my opinion, waitressing at a bar is one small step above being a stripper. The money is made by taking advantage of men's sexual impulses. She will be submitting herself to an environment where she is viewed as prey by drunk men. Ring or no ring, it doesn't matter because there are many men who understand that marriage doesn't mean much these days anyway. Now I know there will be people here who disagree with this. They will try to defend working at a bar as something noble. But remember, the patrons are intoxicated. They are essentially messed up on drugs acting uninhibitedly under the influence. So would working at a crack-house be just as noble? Probably more so since the effects of alcohol can be much worse than the effects of most illegal drugs. I hope this puts into perspective the type of place a bar truly is. This is where your wife will be working.
Now I completely understand that if a woman is going to cheat she will find a way regardless of where she works. There's no sense in being insecure over the issue. However, let's look at it as a matter of principle. Should a married woman (ie. your wife) or even a LTR gf for that matter be working at a place where men are drunk and horny? Think about that for a minute. Every time she goes to work, she spends several hours humoring drunk, horny men who think they might have a shot at YOUR WIFE.
Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about her cheating unless she's already lost a significant amount of desire in your marriage. In fact, I think women get more annoyed than anything at the fact that men constantly supplicate to them at the bars. To me, it's about the level some must stoop to to make ends meet. Do you want your wife around people who will be essentially harassing her? I know it's a job, but separate yourself from that fact for a moment. Would anyone want their woman going to some bar, without you, going from table to table striking up small talk with intoxicated males? I just think it's interesting to see how money changes one thing into something else.
In closing, I'll just say that as for the ring, she damn well should wear it. Sure she might make a little more money without it. But again it's a matter of principle. Why should your marriage be a lie just to make a few extra bucks? When is society going to choose principle and honor over the material?
Just because I currently live in a small town it doesn't mean it's the only place I've lived. I have waitressed in almost every kind of establishment minus trashy places. I've worked at Pizza places, expensive restaurants, expensive bars, karaoke bars, piano bars, jazz clubs, even waitressed at bowling alleys. I know what I'm talking about. And you can claim that men don't tip where alcohol is served based on whether or not they think a hefty tip on a regular basis will help them get into a pretty waitresses pants all you want, but I have over 20 years experience that tells me differently.Latinoman said:Once again...have you waitressed in a Jazz Club? It is a different breed that goes there.
You stated you are from a very small town in Maine. How can you even compared your experience to that of any other waitresses? I feel that it is a different experience depending of the venue. Don't you agree?
But that's beside the point. Comes down to what he feels is right. And I'm editing this, because I just read that one of the reasons she is taking the job is because of her daughter's wedding. I don't know if she was truly bothered by the credit card debt (maybe she was).
I've worked in Atlanta, GA for a place that had 6 different restaurants/bars. They also catered to celebrities that came into town, many of which I have met. I've waited on numerous tennis players, race car drivers, actors, musicians and the like while living in Atlanta. When I lived in Vermont I worked at an upscale place where I waited on Jesse James and Sandra Bullock. Jesse flirted with me and left me a huge tip. I had no clue who he was until all the other waitresses were going all goofy and bugging me about him. Even celebrities with beautiful g/f's or wives want to flirt with pretty waitresses...and how you handle it DOES make a huge difference in how much of a tip you get.
Regardless...she is working to pay for her daughter's wedding.Wyldfire said:Just because I currently live in a small town it doesn't mean it's the only place I've lived. I have waitressed in almost every kind of establishment minus trashy places. I've worked at Pizza places, expensive restaurants, expensive bars, karaoke bars, piano bars, jazz clubs, even waitressed at bowling alleys. I know what I'm talking about. And you can claim that men don't tip where alcohol is served based on whether or not they think a hefty tip on a regular basis will help them get into a pretty waitresses pants all you want, but I have over 20 years experience that tells me differently.
I've worked in Atlanta, GA for a place that had 6 different restaurants/bars. They also catered to celebrities that came into town, many of which I have met. I've waited on numerous tennis players, race car drivers, actors, musicians and the like while living in Atlanta. When I lived in Vermont I worked at an upscale place where I waited on Jesse James and Sandra Bullock. Jesse flirted with me and left me a huge tip. I had no clue who he was until all the other waitresses were going all goofy and bugging me about him. Even celebrities with beautiful g/f's or wives want to flirt with pretty waitresses...and how you handle it DOES make a huge difference in how much of a tip you get.
NOT the credit cards.
So, he still have some issues with that woman.
Personally, I stayed away from the type of job debate, because that's more of a personal taste or decision.In my opinion, waitressing at a bar is one small step above being a stripper. The money is made by taking advantage of men's sexual impulses. She will be submitting herself to an environment where she is viewed as prey by drunk men. Ring or no ring, it doesn't matter because there are many men who understand that marriage doesn't mean much these days anyway. Now I know there will be people here who disagree with this. They will try to defend working at a bar as something noble. But remember, the patrons are intoxicated. They are essentially messed up on drugs acting uninhibitedly under the influence. So would working at a crack-house be just as noble? Probably more so since the effects of alcohol can be much worse than the effects of most illegal drugs. I hope this puts into perspective the type of place a bar truly is. This is where your wife will be working.
Personally? I would NEVER date seriously (as in a relationship) a woman that works as a waitress.
Just because a woman listens to you and acts interested in what you say doesn't mean she really is. She might just be acting polite, while silently wishing that the date would hurry up and end, or that you would go away... and never come back.
Quote taken from The SoSuave Guide to Women and Dating, which you can read for FREE.