together or not???

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Hello!

This is freakin' LONG, but please bare with me, cause it's very important!

So here's my story:

I'm from Slovenia, but were born in another country (Belgrade, Serbia). The point being - my hometown mentality is a lot warmer and open to new contacts & dating than the mentality of people living here. So I was always labeled "special" in this country which came in VERY handy after reading Weapons of Mass Seduction by Senor Fingers :D
I was a hopeless romantic before i was presented with it but now I'm a romantic with hope! :D I'm doing just fine in my home town, but still I have problems with slovenian girls, cause they are usually very shy and closed. Maybe this will explain it better: If you have a GREAT time with someone, or you have a really massive conversation one night, chances are that they won't even recognize you the next day.

So, I met this girl at my high-school newspaper, which I am the main editor of. At our first newspaper meeting, I must say I made myself look very good, I was leading the whole thing, making people laugh, making some great, crazy, rebelious ideas for the newspaper, but still keeping it on a very professional level. She was looking at me with such glare in her eyes, so I figured I should give it a shot.. It just so turned out her aunt lives in my neighbourhood, so we walked there together. Then I went travelling and we didn't see each other for like 5 months.

One month ago, we met at a cafe and she asked me to tutor her in physics. So we started hangin out and things started looking pretty good.
One week ago. She came back from a trip, and wanted to meet me. After successfully NOT finding a cafe to go to, she suggested to go to her place. She invited a few more friends and we all had a GREAT time. A bottle of vino and two jah-shards later, she managed to send all her friends home, so now it is morning, we are both still a bit st.n3d and we agreed to go to bed.
As we came to her room, she lay down on her stomach, took her shirt off and gave me the body lotion. So I did my magic with her back for like 1,5 hour, and it was very enjoyable for both of us. Then she dressed up & kindly asked me to lay down next to her, so I did. The problem was that she kinda turned her back on me! So I hugged her in a spoon-like position. No convo. Cuddling. I started kissing her neck, gently biting her ear, stroking her back and she reacted very well and didn't resist at all. Actually, returned some kino. So far so good, wouldn't you say? But what the f* do I know, right? Then things got strange - I told her to turn around, and she kinda ignored me. But she smiled. So I started tickling her until we were somehow face-to-face. Then I kissed her, and she kissed back. And she did it VERY good! I'm like bursting of happiness, tongue action is going well, and suddenly, she just said she was tired and wants to sleep.. She was right, now it is 10 AM, we are both depleted, so we went to sleep. I made the whole transition comfortable with a great line I can't remember now :D but we laughed and went to sleep very cosy togheter.
So we woke up, and she rushed to the bathroom to take a shower. I made us some coffee and we had to clean up the apartment, and the whole time she acted as if nothing happenned.. I'm confused, but going with the flow.. slowly escalating it to the moment when we made out in the kitchen. And again, she coldly snaped out of it and went on cleaning.. I'm like, wtf.. we had to go to the city again and meet a friend of her's, we had another coffee and split up with a mere HANDSHAKE. Yes, you read it right.

Two days later we met again. Went walking, having a great time, but I'm like a bit detached... didn't want to push anything cause the tension was in the air. So she was relaxed by the time I walked her to the aunt's house, where we hugged & kissed goodbye. So I was like, ok, this could be something afterall. We met two more times after that and it was all kinda undefined.. the convo is going great, she's laughing, I'm having fun, actually being the life of the party whenever her friends are around.. but still there is some tension between us. Some times she would kiss me back, sometimes not, so I think she is VERY confused.

And she told me she was confused about it all, but keeps on calling to see me. And averything is so vague.. She is like OK with it all, but there is no passion or initiative from her side. She wrote on our forum that a guy broke her heart recently and she couldn't stand anything serious right now.. So I'm thinking she's afraid I'd do such a thing to her.

The problem here is that I want to have a relationship with her cause I've really fallen in love. And this makes it impossible for me to detach completly.

I could talk about it with her. Like, oh, please tell me wht's going on, and be a total wuss!

I could just leave her alone for a few days, but I fear she might think I'm just "one of those guys" OR she could think it was just a oneNighter, which would be even worse.

I could.. OMG, I don't know anymore.. please help, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO ME, cause she is the first girl after MANY I am seeking advice for.. no really, I can't afford to f*ck this one up with some stupid trial&error move.

I sincerely thank anyone who took the time to reply.. he just might be saving my life!
just kidding, it's just a girl, right? ( not actualy kidding... :( )
 

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This girl sounds very similar to one I'm playing around with right now... in the beginning it was the same kind of hot one second, cold the next. She also had recently got out of a bad relationship. I kept on pursuing her and ignoring the hot and cold and that got me pretty far, but I should have backed off and let her make some of the moves. Sure we are having sex and have great times when we hang out, but I have let her get me way too easy.

Don't call her for a few days. When you see her, be confident and flirty but dont act wussy and ask her to hang out. Be a challenge yourself! Realize what I realized a bit late: she should have to work to get you. It doesnt matter how much you "love" her, you have to give her a chance to decide how she feels about you so she can come after you.
 

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BTW, gargamel, post short summaries of long posts like this one so others may actually be inclined to read your post, and give you input!
 

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She wants you coming back for more .. as simple as that. She's afraid if she gives you sex right away, you'll ditch her. She likes you enough, that she wants you comeing back. Make sense? It should .. had a girl tell me this once. Doing what you were and right up to the point, she had to stop because she would rather have me come back then get sex and run.
 
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you letting her dictate your moves?? She takes off her shirt and you give her a massage for one and a half hours??? Are you a serbian or something? Oh yeah, you said you were!

I can tell you read Fingers "Weapons of MD" with the long massages!!! You shouldn't have done this - you should have stuck your penis in her when she turned around but instead you "spooned" her and "massaged" her - WHY???

This hor, I mean your future wife, is only allowing you to please her and she is not pleasing you - THIS IS WEAK SHYT!!!!!!!!!!! Do what you want with her and see how far she'll go --- the hell with her past b/f / pimp - this is only an excuse for her to control things!!

Be a man and take the lead --- tell this lotion ho to give you a message!!!! Women give men massages - and not the other way around!!!! She knows that you will put up with her lotion massage demands because you are too supplicating!!!

Quit trying to please her and please yourself!!!

Next time she hands you lotion put it on her vagina to ease the friction of your penis ramming her whilst giving her a lesson in physics and the effect of lubrication lessenening the effects of frictional force !!
 

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sure enough, my post was VERY long... But at least you gave me some quality input, knowing the situation so good :D

PuertoRican you are right, I kinda ****ed it all up... Usually, we wouldn't even get to the upstairs room, but I get kinda f*cked up when it comes to girls I have real strong feelings about.

Even I myself read the post and say: OMG, this guy is a total moron.. But still I want this girl bad and I was just wondering what to do.

Qualtran, I think your advice helps me the most. Was thinking of doing just that, but my head is a total mess and I really needed some confirmation.

This girl got me wrapped up! Now I know how some girls felt about me, and it's freekin scary...

are you serbian, or what... LOL
 

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Countryman

I'd go with PRL on this one. When I saw you massaged her for 1 and half I was like WTF? I mean if you were masaging her tits that would be almost acceptable...

Don't do any of the ****y and funny **** someone suggests, rather do whatever you feel like doing, if you wanna grab that ass do it, you'll either have the love of ur life or the laugh of your life (later on though :) )

I'd give this girl another chance and she doesn't do anything to pleasure you, forget her, trust me, I learned this the hard was when I was 18.

PRL, care to explain this s**t:
Are you a serbian or something?
Pozdrav za zemljake...Mind over je u pravu.
 

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Worked like a charm!

I didn't call her for two days and she managed to borrow her sister's phone and call me... which is very unusual for her. so she was like in a mood for chit-chat, but I'm like - I gotta go study, so hurry up. She suggested we get together the next day, so we did. She still aint all warmed up, but there definitly is some progress. She's coming to my place after tonight - any last minute suggestions/tips?

Thanks everyone!
 

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koja picka masira curu sat ipo, a ne jebe?????????????

nemoj da letis za njom, daj njoj da ona dodje tebi.
 

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Originally posted by gargamel
Worked like a charm!

I didn't call her for two days and she managed to borrow her sister's phone and call me... which is very unusual for her. so she was like in a mood for chit-chat, but I'm like - I gotta go study, so hurry up. She suggested we get together the next day, so we did. She still aint all warmed up, but there definitly is some progress. She's coming to my place after tonight - any last minute suggestions/tips?

Thanks everyone!
Don't let your guard down and turn into an AFC...remember to keep your composure, regardless of what games she may be playing...
 

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so what you all try to tell me is that I can't make an initial move... I gotta let her do the first move? That aint likely to happen.

OK, WTF do I do now! Cause everytime I don't make the first move, she does nothing... When I do something - she goes along.. She aint the kind of person who plays games.. She just seems not interested up to the moment when I just grab her and do myown ways with her. I'm seriously thinkin of LJBFing her..

Today, I'ma do whatever I feel like and just forget every rules the book has, whatever happens, happens! Fvck it, I'm losing it! :D
 

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Today, I'ma do whatever I feel like and just forget every rules the book has, whatever happens, happens! Fvck it, I'm losing it!
Or...

....you could flirt with her, giving her a chance to make a move, and if she doesn't, just do a "take-away". Basically you say something to the effect of "look, I thought I really liked you, and thought maybe we'd could have a lot of fun together, but you're all cold and uninterested. I think it'd be best if we were just friends."

That way you're turning **** around on her ass, and if she doesn't make some move, then you know she wasn't into you. It's important to first state that you liked her, so she knows what she'll be losing if she doesn't wake the fvck up and reciprocate your interest. You're giving her a chance to redeem herself and give you the go-ahead, and at the same time protecting yourself and retaining the power.

Just don't abandon the rules and become some desperate AFC. Nothing will push her away faster.
 

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Mortukai, no offense, but what's the point in playing mind games?

If the guy wants to go for it I say this is the best place and the best time now that she displayed interest in him.

Garga, you're in the right mindset. You're the man and you should be making sexual advances. Don't state that you like her, just act on it. Don't rush it though, keep it light and fun.
 
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Re: Countryman

Originally posted by Magico
PRL, care to explain this s**t:

quote by PR_L:
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Are you a serbian or something?.

Dude, put the gun down, it was just a joke - if I knew there were so many Serbians here I wouldn't of said it. :)

Magico, by your name I would have taken you as Spanish.

DJ Gargoyle, Have you kissed her yet? If no, why not? I'm sure you have since she was naked, right? Ask her out and go for the kiss and don't stop until you get enough! (Michael Jackson made a song about that).

Just ONLY pursue her romantically as a man and not as a massage therapist!!!:rolleyes:
 

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Dude, put the gun down, it was just a joke - if I knew there were so many Serbians here I wouldn't of said it.
Wasn't even loaded.:cool:

It's past midnight where Gargamel lives and no word from him which is a good sign I guess...:)
 
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Originally posted by Magico
It's past midnight where Gargamel lives and no word from him which is a good sign I guess...:)
Yeah, he is probably massaging her toes by now.:rolleyes:
 

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Originally posted by Magico
It's past midnight where Gargamel lives and no word from him which is a good sign I guess...:)
:D

I just can't stop smiling...
I'm soooo fvckin tired..

All started great.. at the meeting point, as she was walkin up to me, I was just standing there, smiling flirtatiously, watching her moving her sexy a$$ over to me.. at first she had a cold look in her eyes.. as she was coming closer, my smile was getting bigger and by the time she was next to me, she burst into laughing, kinda embarrassed.. Still no words.. So we're looking at eachother, I did the lip-biting thing with a bad-ass smile on my face.. The moment lasted forever.. and then she kissed me and said the simplest "Hello" ever! Man, never was I more releived in my life. She showed some fvckin initiative!
 
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