tired of this "women have more choice because of society's rules" crap

[DonGorgon]

btw I finished arguing with Mad Manic because his aguements were just complete sh!t. Excuses excuses excuses.

I'm tired of his BS. Bye guys

comic_relief

oh well...

 

[ketostix]

This attitude is tragic man. Right listen to me right now. The last girl I was with I had been with for almost 4 years, on and off relationship though. She was a 10, french canadian, had been approached dozens of times from model scouts. OK, believe it. I on the other hand am a self proclaimed BUM and Im not proud about that, Im adverage looking and have NO MONEY.. I am unhygenic and dont use deoderant, infact the french girl always *****ed at me for that and forced me into the shower every morning, infact every girl ive fvcked insist i take a shower first, and im not joking. The girl I had before here was also smoking hot but she did my head right in. Infact that is the main problem, you get a woman and then you just wanna be on your own, seriously, women are not the awnser to all your problems just the beginning to a new set of problems. When I go out I wear a dull green army jacket and dirty trainers and greasy hair and stubble. . I do though have a broad knowledge of people and human behaviour. I also am able to get women into bed when I feel lke doing so, of course I get knocked back too like everyone. You are way off. SO FAR OFF ITS NOT FUNNY. My aim is to be successful in life for myself not for some woman. If women wanna hang out with me thats great but they can pay for themselves and that is how i treat women. YOU MY TRAGIC FRIEND PUT HO'S ON A PEDISTLE. If you put a woman on a pesistle that means she is the one looking down at YOU.

Remotecontrol, no offense but if you say you're a 32 years old, scruffy bum that fvcks 10's then you need to provide proof beyond just claims before anyone should believe it. Frankly this post doesn't add up and is not very credible. And if it is true then you're a huge exception to the norm and something in your looks and personality is causing the success, but it's not something most guys could create or learn on their own. If what you claim is true, then you're simply a few deviations above the norm in other words lucky.

 

[Shyguy2003]

One more thing...I am going to apologise to shyguy....I started the argument and I was out of line on this occasion. The reason, I got pi$$ed off with you was the Jenna Jameson reference. It made me think here is another guy with the pornstar fixation, no wonder he cant get laid, so I called you an idiot. even if you are an idiot I shouldnt have called you one.

Don't worry about it, no hard feelings. I wasn't going to reply, but I read your response and I laughed. I was only messin' around but I realize now I probably went a little too far with some of the things I said.

 

[DJVladdy]

Mods, please close this piece of garbage.
Makes me sick to even read it.

 

[FutureSpartan]

One more thing...I am going to apologise to shyguy....I started the argument and I was out of line on this occasion. The reason, I got pi$$ed off with you was the Jenna Jameson reference. It made me think here is another guy with the pornstar fixation, no wonder he cant get laid, so I called you an idiot. even if you are an idiot I shouldnt have called you one.

Word...apparently success with women, to most guys is sleeping with typical blonde big tit miniskirt heavy makeup chicks. typical societal conditioning bullsh*t.

They are more concerned with their ego and what others think of them, than actually satsifying their sexual desires by learning how to get their ideal women.

 

[feelingloved]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4zXuMuijSSY&feature=related

This girl is taking resumes for her next BF. Funny thing is, she might be serious.

 

[DonJuan11]

mad manic, i still don't understand what exactly we re arguing about... this is how the situation looks:

FACT: you, don juan11 and a few others on this website can't get laid with the women you want

FACT: PUAs/DJs and naturals get laid with the women they want

now how does b.itching about your lack of success, or about how society "isn't fair" gonna help you get the women you want? I never said it s easy... depending on your looks it might even be very hard for you but you can do it if you put in the effort, just like everything else in life

This is not true. Women won't come if you put in the effort. There is no panel of judges to say "he put in 81% effort, he gets to sleep with her tonight"

FACT: PUAs/DJs and naturals get laid with the women they want

Ok that's fair. Some of us are naturals at making boatloads of money how we want and when we want, instead.

Bvtching doesn't help us, we are just stating facts.

 

[Mad Manic]

Well if you can make boat loads of money then whats your problem with getting women. Money attracts women, guys who dont have money have to have DJ skills, guys with money dont need DJ skills. I dont see your problem???

It seems like he does ok in taking women out on dates, but when it comes to sexing them after the date they start acting like pedestalised queens by saying stuff like "Btw I just want you to know we're not having sex tonight" etc. They are really shvt tests/ASD barriers, but he gets angry that they are acting all high and mighty when they shouldn't be. Sometimes he kisses them then they give him the cold shoulder etc. Money doesn't guarantee sex IMO, the market is so distorted women think/know they can get another rich guy who is more 'funny' etc.

MM

 

[DonJuan11]

Well if you can make boat loads of money then whats your problem with getting women. Money attracts women, guys who dont have money have to have DJ skills, guys with money dont need DJ skills. I dont see your problem???

Business and gaming or sleeping with women are two entirely different things.

Business is done with logic and mental sharpness. It's like chess, you have to anticipate your opponents next move and study what he's going to do all the time - you have to have and use strategy and tactics. This can be easily learn and taught.

Sleeping with women is done with feelings and emotion. You could have the best strategy (or product) and she could still tell you no or where to go because she's not in the "mood". There's no rule, set of laws or anything that will give you permission to sleep with her. You just have to feel it and there is no College that teaches this.

I live in a nice place and have a bulletproof car so I will admit the money helps me sometimes, but sometimes I think I would enjoy life alot more if I was just renting a small place with a hot girlfriend and a simple job.

 

[drak_ool]

don juan11 if you HAVE money and still can't get laid, then you are even more pathetic than i thought

ya, sure, keep complaining about the way society is set up to put women "in control". well i got news for you: society is set up in such a way that a lot of hot women are gold diggers. these women will hang out wit men they are not necessarily attracted to physically or emotionally but who can take care of their material (and sexual) needs. but YOU take them out on expensive dates and at the end of the night they tell you "Btw I just want you to know we're not having sex tonight"? are you fvcking serious?

first, you should spend money on a gold digger until she gives it up. she gives you pvssy>>>>>you spend money on her, not the other way around
second, when you get that no-sex line from a gold digger, just stop the car and tell her to get the fvck out

 

[mongolboy]

rofl. That is kinda pathetic if i had money id be doin things you wont imagine =P

 

[drak_ool]

The point I am making is you guys can spit all the game you want, but you can only go so far.

how would you know? it seems like you have NO game, so how would you know how far guys with game can go? this proves it:

The first question out of practically every girl's mouth in a conversation is "So what do you do?/What's your goals and ambition?" Yeah go on and tell her nothing

this question does come up, it s rarely the 1st (unless the convo is so boring she can't think of anything less lame to say but then it s your fault) and there are many ways to answer without looking like a looser (have you ever thought of saying something funny, like male exotic dancer?)

its laughable when some people on here mention that all you need to do is churn out a few witty lines

that is NOT what "tight game" means, that is called regurgitating and it won't help you get laid. in this thread and others i have been advocating working towards reaching the level of "natural" game but you have been too busy getting into stupid arguments to read any of that. go back and see what this thread is about

 

[Mad Manic]

I'm gonna mainly agree with drak_ool here, I don't think wealth matters all that much but there is a % of women who will gold dig. However, most people date within their class. Most normal girls date normal guys, I see it everyday and the guys are just normal. Infact they don't look that special most of the time but still date a decent girl. I think outer and inner game is important. When I interact with women they judge me on both my appearance and personality. Often I win on both scores and still lose though.

MM

 

[wayword]

My italian stepdad is 5' 7", unattractive, medium build, big hook nose and isn't educated either. He's got photos of some of the women he used to date and his mates did the same thing. He's told me stories about living near the sea with a mate and picking up women at the beach no problem, everyone did it. It was so much easier in the 1960s, I doubt he needed to read about calibration and escalation on a screen to get sex.

Uhh, that was before 2nd-wave feminism (misandrism). That was back when men had more power in relationships.

Now, the tables have turned. Women 30 years from now will be able to show pictures of how many slobbering guys they could get at the mere drop of a hat.

 

[Mad Manic]

Uhh, that was before 2nd-wave feminism (misandrism). That was back when men had more power in relationships.

Now, the tables have turned. Women 30 years from now will be able to show pictures of how many slobbering guys they could get at the mere drop of a hat.

Agreed, that's the point I was trying to make. He wouldn't have 1/10 th of that success if he lived his youth in today's culture. No chance.

MM

 

[Shyguy2003]

how would you know? it seems like you have NO game, so how would you know how far guys with game can go? this proves it:



this question does come up, it s rarely the 1st (unless the convo is so boring she can't think of anything less lame to say but then it s your fault) and there are many ways to answer without looking like a looser (have you ever thought of saying something funny, like male exotic dancer?)




that is NOT what "tight game" means, that is called regurgitating and it won't help you get laid. in this thread and others i have been advocating working towards reaching the level of "natural" game but you have been too busy getting into stupid arguments to read any of that. go back and see what this thread is about

Dude, with all due respect, what are you talking about? And who are you to assume anything about my life and how I am with women? Have you met me? No you haven't, so all you are doing is being ignorant. I have already stated I have been on both sides of the fence and now have had lots of success (Yes, that means I WAS pretty bad at one point, believe me it took a lot of hard work through trial and error and observation to get better). I have friends who are naturals and I have already mentioned they DO get laid, although it's not with the girls they want....MOST of the time. All they do is work on their game and neglect everything else because they think it's all they need. Let me tell you lots of guys now a thing or two about the game, it doesn't make you a hell of a lot different then everyone else. You can capture a girls interest for a while, but if that's all you can offer, as soon as some guy with slicked hair in a beamer pulls up, she's gone.

And yes, in conversations I've had with women, those kinds of questions have come up(What do you do? and other **** like tha). Now, maybe not EVERY single time, but more often then not they dropped it within the first conversation, and you should expect it because that is one way in which they size you up. And no, they didn't say it because they were bored, many of these chicks I either went on to date or could've dated but didn't for numerous reasons. Why not respond to those kind of questions by saying your a male exotic dancer you say? Why don't you? I'm not saying it won't work and I know some people who do say things like that and have success, but what works for someone, might not work for someone else. I personally don't take the approach of trying to come up with something funny for everything because I'm not a clown. I am straight forward and don't care for trying to convince some woman she should like me and find me funny. If she likes me great, if not, too bad. This approach has paid dividends and is what keeps me in control of the pace.

I know what you are advocating and I didn't say it was a bad thing, infact I agreed with it, but I was just adding a twist to it. I gave my point of view and I am not going to argue it any further. I've said all I needed to and I stand by it 100%. IF you guys want to get good with women, you don't need websites like this or some stupid book by some guy who is looking to make a profit off poor saps (I think those things do more harm then good to be honest). The true and tried way to get enough poon until you get bored of it is to stop being a push over (stop thinking about chicks and revolving your life around them) and doing something with your life (you won't die if you don't get a measely girl). Are you living for yourself or for some *****es snatch? If you pick the later, then you've already failed and will always be at the mercy of women.

 

[DonJuan11]

ya, sure, keep complaining about the way society is set up to put women "in control". well i got news for you: society is set up in such a way that a lot of hot women are gold diggers. these women will hang out wit men they are not necessarily attracted to physically or emotionally but who can take care of their material (and sexual) needs. but YOU take them out on expensive dates and at the end of the night they tell you "Btw I just want you to know we're not having sex tonight"? are you fvcking serious?

If spending money on dinners meant I would have sex that night, I'd be the biggest stud on this site. I've wasted so much money buying girls dinners and clothes, it's pathetic

first, you should spend money on a gold digger until she gives it up. she gives you pvssy>>>>>you spend money on her, not the other way around

Dude I'm trying my best. I got this 7.7 - 8.2 HB I've been working my ass off to sleep with me. Hopefully at Christmas it will happen because I'm pulling out all the stops.

second, when you get that no-sex line from a gold digger, just stop the car and tell her to get the fvck out

LOL. That quote reminds me of the Jay-Z song: "Me give my heart to a women? Not for nothing, never happen, I"ll be forever macking."

Christmas day boys and girls. If it doesn't happen that day, I'll be one for life.

 

[drak_ool]

Dude I'm trying my best. I got this 7.7 - 8.2 HB I've been working my ass off to sleep with me. Hopefully at Christmas it will happen because I'm pulling out all the stops.


1) unless you are in an exclusive LTR you should never chase just ONE girl. If she s your only chance at getting laid it s gonna be hard for you not to reek of desperation. girls can sniff out desperation just like sharks smell blood in the water, they ll know from a mile away and then all your efforts go to shyt and she ll be giving you that "no sex tonight speech". so my advice to you: chase other girls, even if you don't get laid, having other options will boost your confidence and you won't give this "desperate" vibe

2) did you say CHRISTMAS? dude this is 3 weeks away! so what are you gonna do in the meantime? stay at home and write poems to this girl? same advice as above, go out there and get some action

 

[drak_ool]

shyguy, it seems like we have two very different definitions of "game". capturing a girl's interest is just one aspect of it, seems like you re missing the larger picture.

as for the rest of your post, you re right, i shouldn't have attacked you since i don't know anything about you. however, why do you keep bringing up your so called "natural" friends who can't get the girls they want? and your saying all these guys do is focus on their game but they still don't get it done? then how are they naturals?

I never said "work on your game and neglect every other aspect of your life". in fact if you paid attention to my posts i had been advocating developing a "natural" game. To me that means bettering every aspect of your life until you become self-sufficient to the point where women are a nice complement to your life but not what it revolves around. From experience, when you are in that state is when women want you the most. and i ve repeatedly said that getting to that level is not easy, it takes a lot more than learning a few tricks.

however, a lot of people don't seem to be taking steps towards reaching that state, instead they whine about how society puts women on a pedestal and that s why they can't get laid. the reason i started this thread was to make these people realize that there is light at the end of the tunnel, so that hopefully they ll stop whining and instead take some steps toward reaching their goals (assuming that sleeping with hot babes is one of those)

 

[Shyguy2003]

shyguy, it seems like we have two very different definitions of "game". capturing a girl's interest is just one aspect of it, seems like you re missing the larger picture.

as for the rest of your post, you re right, i shouldn't have attacked you since i don't know anything about you. however, why do you keep bringing up your so called "natural" friends who can't get the girls they want? and your saying all these guys do is focus on their game but they still don't get it done? then how are they naturals?

I never said "work on your game and neglect every other aspect of your life". in fact if you paid attention to my posts i had been advocating developing a "natural" game. To me that means bettering every aspect of your life until you become self-sufficient to the point where women are a nice complement to your life but not what it revolves around. From experience, when you are in that state is when women want you the most. and i ve repeatedly said that getting to that level is not easy, it takes a lot more than learning a few tricks.

however, a lot of people don't seem to be taking steps towards reaching that state, instead they whine about how society puts women on a pedestal and that s why they can't get laid. the reason i started this thread was to make these people realize that there is light at the end of the tunnel, so that hopefully they ll stop whining and instead take some steps toward reaching their goals (assuming that sleeping with hot babes is one of those)

They are naturals. They are the kind of guys that since they were young, they were always after the girls and would get with them because they better then most guys. They instinctually know all the tricks like being surronded with girls to make others jealous, etc. Their lives more or less are centered on women and women only. They get girls, some fairly good looking one's, but when it comes to those rare gem's, they fail. Why? Because they don't have much else going for them. Really beautiful women have tons of guys after them, some with great game, some with mediocre game. If they want a 21st century incarnation of Don Juan, they can get one, but most girls, including really beautiful one's are looking for the total package (being smooth is only one aspect). Women are ALWAYS looking for the bigger and better deal.

I've made some great strides since 2003 when I first joined this site. I was gone for a couple of years testing things out and seeing what works and what doesn't. I now have good success with a lot of attractive women although I won't lie that part of it has to do with the fact I am ambitious and have a lot of goals.And that is what I advocate, working on yourself first and foremost, then the women will come. You have pretty much been saying that and as I stated before I am in agreement. Chasing women is fun and nice, but it does nothing for you in the long run. By no means am I saying 'You guys are stupid for chasing girls', that's normal of course. I am just saying don't revolve your life around that to the point you neglect things that will ultimately be better for you down the road (education, working out, **** like that)

Things are indeed harder now adays compared to the past, but it doesn't mean you have to give up. If you work on yourself and try to get the most out of yourself, then you won't have any problems meeting women.