tired of this "women have more choice because of society's rules" crap

[ketostix]

^^FALSE

- IT HAS BEEN SHOWN THAT WOMEN ARE MOER PROMISCUOUS THAN MALES BUT WAY MORE DISCRETE ABOUT IT.

Since women are no more than 51% of the population, it's mathematically impossible for heterosexual females to be more promiscuious than males on average. It takes a male and a female to be promiscuous.

 

[LostAndConfused]

with this thread i wasn't trying to argue the point that men IN GENERAL have it easier than women in general. I was saying that a few select men (the DjS, PUAs and naturals...oh ya, and also the very rich) have it easier than most girls. So instead of complaining about how hard it is for AVERAGE guys to get girls, one should strive to become one of those select few

This is true, but it blatantly assumes you have the right genetics to do so.

 

[Mad Manic]

Since women are no more than 51% of the population, it's mathematically impossible for heterosexual females to be more promiscuious than males on average. It takes a male and a female to be promiscuous.

You're comparing the total population of straight females vs the total population of straight males. All he's saying is that women get laid more (with more partners) than men i.e.) comparing the median woman to the median man. Yes, they are less driven and not as bothered, but since they have it on a plate and there are the top tier guys offering it, they're still getting to be more promiscuous than normal guys who want to be but can't.

 

[Mad Manic]

Actually they do all those things so they can have a better chance of sleeping with tHE few Brad Pits AND Densel Washingtons of tHE world... NOT FOR YOU.

No they're doing it for him too as well as the Brads and Van Dammes, but not to sex him but to get him drooling over them.

 

[DonGorgon]

No they're doing it for him too as well as the Brads and Van Dammes, but not to sex him but to get him drooling over them.

LOL.... Soo true...

 

[DonGorgon]

You're comparing the total population of straight females vs the total population of straight males. All he's saying is that women get laid more (with more partners) than men i.e.) comparing the median woman to the median man. Yes, they are less driven and not as bothered, but since they have it on a plate and there are the top tier guys offering it, they're still getting to be more promiscuous than normal guys who want to be but can't.

^^^ Soo true...Thank you for saving me from having to type that I own you one...

 

[Mad Manic]

Well it's debatable if a natural is just being how he really wants or is acting on things learned and through trial and error since and early age. In other words modifying his behavior to what he believes works best when interacting with a woman. Most guys natural or not seem to have an MO around women. Women modify their behavior around men too but usually not how most men want women to be, but women can get away with it and men can't.

I'm not whining. Being unplugged from the matrix alone doesn't guarantee results you might want. I honestly doubt few if any men are totally happy with their situation with women outside of a few crazy in love in a relationship.And it definitely doesn't qguarantee more happiness. Sometimes a little ignorance is bliss or being overly optimistic

Agreed, for some reason the term natural is synonymous with the phrase 'just born with it'. Which isn't true because you're only born with basic instincts and not the skillset to seduce a socially conditioned HB. Naturals are just guys that have the skill set internalised without having to formally learn it, but merely embedded in interactions and experiences throughout their life. Most men never have it or learn it formally.

And yes, being unplugged doesn't guarantee you results. It still doesn't change the fact that attractive young women are in demand and have a ton of guys chasing after them. The problem is, you might be a cool, good looking alpha male but there's a few others wanting the girl too. Then combine that with the fact that you don't want and don't deserve less than a HB6 and there's the supply/demand dynamic being totally distorted.

To Drak_ool - I love talking and thinking about this stuff, that's why, not because I don't know what's required to get a HB7+. We all know we have to hit the gym hard, practise gaming, look our best, expand our social circle, etc etc.

 

[bigjohnson]

Since women are no more than 51% of the population, it's mathematically impossible for heterosexual females to be more promiscuious than males on average. It takes a male and a female to be promiscuous.

Someone needs to brush up on their statistics. Given 10 men and 11 women, if 2 of the men screw all the women and 8 are celibate or only screw one woman you have 20% of the men being promiscuous and 100% of the women doing so.

 

[Mad Manic]

Someone needs to brush up on their statistics. Given 10 men and 11 women, if 2 of the men screw all the women and 8 are celibate or only screw one woman you have 20% of the men being promiscuous and 100% of the women doing so.

Yes I explained this above, he's looking at total hetro male population vs total hetro female population not the median guy vs median girl.

 

[ketostix]

Someone needs to brush up on their statistics. Given 10 men and 11 women, if 2 of the men screw all the women and 8 are celibate or only screw one woman you have 20% of the men being promiscuous and 100% of the women doing so.

Duh I know that but that's not what he said originally. The average for men and women has to be the same. It's the The distribution that's not even for men, I've said that originally and now it looks like everyone agrees. But for this to be the case it means women are fvcking the same (top) guys, not different guys and from their view point of view they're not being promiscuous as the guys. My point was if women were as promiscuous as men and weren't the ones putting a limit on sex, women would have more different partners and sex would be much more common and evenly distributed among men.

 

[Shyguy2003]

Women have much more choice in the dating/sex game then men, as long as their young anyway, once their old no one wants to hit that **** and it's to be aovided like 3 week old pupu platter. How do I know? I have a pair of ****ing eyes. Women call the shots and are selective of who they chose to open their legs to. Whereas a guy just demands a girl is hot, a woman demands he's not only attractive, but is a person that has strong intangibles (confidence, etc.) I have seen guys who are very popular, have money, and all that other **** and yes they do get laid more then the average guy who doesn't have that ****, but that guy still has to put in work (aka pursue) while hot women just sit there looking pretty. There are tons of decent guys out there who you would think are ok with women and certainly aren't hideous disfigured or anything that wank every night.

 

[bigjohnson]

... and sex would be much more common and evenly distributed among men.

As long as I keep getting it you guys are on your own.

 

[Mad Manic]

I have seen guys who are very popular, have money, and all that other **** and yes they do get laid more then the average guy who doesn't have that ****, but that guy still has to put in work (aka pursue) while hot women just sit there looking pretty. There are tons of decent guys out there who you would think are ok with women and certainly aren't hideous disfigured or anything that wank every night.

Agreed, I hardly know any guy who gets laid or has HB6+ gf, there are a lot of pretty girls but everyone I know isn't sexing/dating them. I must have 80 guys min. on my facebook and can't remember any in a relationship with a HB6+ other than a handful tops. It's always single, single, single or relationship with <HB6. I then tried cold approaching and whatnot and was on the tip of the iceberg to getting to date these HB7s+ but couldn't quite pull it off. Yes there were other guys in the mix. It's clear these guys in the mix are the type of guys I'm not befriending as well. The problem seems, I'm befriending guys who don't get laid like most but get on better with them than some arrogant uneducated cvnt who knows game. Which reinforces the perception that being a good guy leads to no sex.

One time approached a HB9 and her face lit up when I did, we talked for about 10 min and then closed no probs. During the interaction, she mentioned "Ohhh you do Maths and Physics then, yeah that explains it there must be few girls on your course". I thought it might have been some weird neg but I think she meant that she was a tad surprised I cold approached because she probably thought I would date someone through class or whatever. In other words, she believed I was a viable dating prospect for a decent looking girl so it was going through her mind "why is he cold approaching me?". So even the decent HBs don't see that most guys get none of the good stuff.

MM

 

[DonJuan11]

I will start with the premise that women are as horny as men, hence they enjoy sex just as much.

I don't agree.

If women enjoy sex just as much, why does a guy want to have sex every 8 seconds and it takes the women 8 months before deciding to maybe sleep with the guy?

If you like Pepsi, you will order it in 8 seconds. If you like Pepsi 12.5%, you might order it once every 8 months.

 

[Mad Manic]

I don't agree.

If women enjoy sex just as much, why does a guy want to have sex every 8 seconds and it takes the women 8 months before deciding to maybe sleep with the guy?

If you like Pepsi, you will order it in 8 seconds. If you like Pepsi 12.5%, you might order it once every 8 months.

Agreed, they enjoy the validation/dominance/ego boost/one-up on their friends etc. associated with sexing a top tier guy who is deemed worthy of her pvssy. Women use sex as a rationing tool to get what they desire (attention, power, dominance, control, social status etc.) even if it means not getting all that much at times where they might want a bit more. In other words, if Mr Amazing hasn't got round to her she WILL wait.

MM

 

[Stud No1]

yeah i agree.

it probably is easier for a girl to get laid. infact it obviously is

BUT

i know LOADS of girls that cant find a 'decent guy' (i know they want a 'bad' boy or whatever really). Those girls wouldnt agree that women have it easier.

fact is, most men suck with women and therefore come across as chumps. a girl has toweed these guys out of the process. its tough for the AFC's but easy pudding for the DJ's because when a girl finds the 'decent guy'/DJ they then quickly develop a oneitis for him due to the difficulty in finding such.

conclusion- brush up your game and make it happen. live in your own reality

 

[Mad Manic]

yeah i agree.

it probably is easier for a girl to get laid. infact it obviously is

BUT

i know LOADS of girls that cant find a 'decent guy' (i know they want a 'bad' boy or whatever really). Those girls wouldnt agree that women have it easier.

fact is, most men suck with women and therefore come across as chumps. a girl has toweed these guys out of the process. its tough for the AFC's but easy pudding for the DJ's because when a girl finds the 'decent guy'/DJ they then quickly develop a oneitis for him due to the difficulty in finding such.

conclusion- brush up your game and make it happen. live in your own reality

I don't really agree with this.

Firstly yes women complain they don't have an 'amazing' guy and use that to rationalize to friends/guys that women don't have it easier, but deep down they know they have the power. I think a guy's problem of not being able to find anything half decent and a girl's problem of having quality men on a plate but not Mr Incredible, aren't in the same league. IMO men and women have similar criteria in partners; but women have the power to enforce the entire list (and more) whereas men have to cut it down to 'she's ok looking, therefore fvckable'.

I also don't agree that 'most men suck with women and are chumps'. The dynamic has meant that most guys don't get laid and most women do, due to various reasons. But that automatically means most guys are weeded out of having a sex life as such. In 50 years or whatever, guys might raise their standard but women may well be pursued even more as the situation gets more desperate and an even smaller proportion of guys get girls, as women continue to raise the bar as they have done.

Then it's 'nearly every guy is a loser so strive to be one of the 5 guys in the city who get laid'. Where do the insults on men's ability with women end? 50 years ago men used to buy flowers, pay for meals and be 'nice' and probably get laid more regularly than guys now who have some game and looks at least. A DJ mindset doesn't guarantee getting the women. There's more than one cool guy chasing an attractive girl.

MM

 

[DonGorgon]

As long as I keep getting it you guys are on your own.

Well said, that is the nature of competition... BUt there is a real societal problem with bad side effects when too many men start going without..LOL

 

[DonGorgon]

I don't really agree with this.

Firstly yes women complain they don't have an 'amazing' guy and use that to rationalize to friends/guys that women don't have it easier, but deep down they know they have the power. I think a guy's problem of not being able to find anything half decent and a girl's problem of having quality men on a plate but not Mr Incredible, aren't in the same league. IMO men and women have similar criteria in partners; but women have the power to enforce the entire list (and more) whereas men have to cut it down to 'she's ok looking, therefore fvckable'.

I also don't agree that 'most men suck with women and are chumps'. The dynamic has meant that most guys don't get laid and most women do, due to various reasons. But that automatically means most guys are weeded out of having a sex life as such. In 50 years or whatever, guys might raise their standard but women may well be pursued even more as the situation gets more desperate and an even smaller proportion of guys get girls, as women continue to raise the bar as they have done.

Then it's 'nearly every guy is a loser so strive to be one of the 5 guys in the city who get laid'. Where do the insults on men's ability with women end? 50 years ago men used to buy flowers, pay for meals and be 'nice' and probably get laid more regularly than guys now who have some game and looks at least. A DJ mindset doesn't guarantee getting the women. There's more than one cool guy chasing an attractive girl.

MM

^^^Well stated angle there.

 

[DJVladdy]

oh my god...
Where is Playersupreme when u need him