tired of this "women have more choice because of society's rules" crap

[Mad Manic]

That's why women never get breasts enlarged, tummies tucked, wear makeup, exercise, ... oh wait, never mind.

Yeah, you're wrong.

They do it to compete for male attention not because they can't get sex. That's why women dress to impress in the clubs but tell most men to go away when approaching. Luckily I seem to pass that part most of the time.

MM

 

[mongolboy]

GENTLEMEN STFU! yall suppose 2 be supporting each other and building communication instead of insulting each other trying to prove whos wrong and right......Wonder why some people get no where. WHat im saying is that instead of wasting ur time tryin to justify yourselfs why dont u bestify urselfes by exchangin a lil thought and ideas huh? i know i cant talk all great like u but yall get the point

 

[aliasguy]

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Women have it easier. Women have it hard. Men have to have game. Men have to be confident. Looks "matter." Looks don't matter. Society today makes it harder for women, or men, I forget.


We go on and on about this kinda stuff.

The thing to remember is:

"Things are as they are."


I don't know if women or men have it better or worse under current conditions out there. But, does it MATTER? We aren't going to CHANGE how it is out there next week. And I'm living in THIS week. We just gotta go out there and deal with what's REAL.

So, I think that a discussion of contemporary social mores is very interesting, and may lead to a deeper understanding of what is really going on, and so such discussion MAY tangentially help us in dealing with women, but it's not gonna actually get you laid, or affect your "game" in any immediate sense.


So as a philosophical and sociological exercise, these discussions are interesting and enlightening, but I have to ask --- are we going out there and doing what it takes in SPITE of a screwed up society?

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[Mad Manic]

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Women have it easier. Women have it hard. Men have to have game. Men have to be confident. Looks "matter." Looks don't matter. Society today makes it harder for women, or men, I forget.


We go on and on about this kinda stuff.

The thing to remember is:

"Things are as they are."


I don't know if women or men have it better or worse under current conditions out there. But, does it MATTER? We aren't going to CHANGE how it is out there next week. And I'm living in THIS week. We just gotta go out there and deal with what's REAL.

So, I think that a discussion of contemporary social mores is very interesting, and may lead to a deeper understanding of what is really going on, and so such discussion MAY tangentially help us in dealing with women, but it's not gonna actually get you laid, or affect your "game" in any immediate sense.


So as a philosophical and sociological exercise, these discussions are interesting and enlightening, but I have to ask --- are we going out there and doing what it takes in SPITE of a screwed up society?

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Well you win the naivity award for debating in your head whether men or women have it worse. Congrats. Tell this to the guys who go to brothels to get sex on a saturday night week after week who have been single forever. Average guys. Then ask the average girls. Ok ...

I think knowing and discussing this stuff does help with game. I used to go in thinking I'm going to get girls no problems if I approach because I look pretty good and have a fairly broad/interesting personality. Now I know the standard I need to reach to get a HB7+ to meet me on a Day 2. It's a standard higher than the vast majority of men out there. Ouch.

That's why I'm getting built and ripped (done by spring). That's why I'm on here. That's why I'll sarge alone if I have to in order to improve. I'm not a naive guy anymore thinking 'it's going to be fine'. Not if I don't make it happen.

 

[aliasguy]

Well you win the naivity award for debating in your head whether men or women have it worse. Congrats. Tell this to the guys who go to brothels to get sex on a saturday night week after week who have been single forever. Average guys. Then ask the average girls. Ok ...

I think knowing and discussing this stuff does help with game. I used to go in thinking I'm going to get girls no problems if I approach because I look pretty good and have a fairly broad/interesting personality. Now I know the standard I need to reach to get a HB7+ to meet me on a Day 2. It's a standard higher than the vast majority of men out there. Ouch.

That's why I'm getting built and ripped (done by spring). That's why I'm on here. That's why I'll sarge alone if I have to in order to improve. I'm not a naive guy anymore thinking 'it's going to be fine'. Not if I don't make it happen.

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That's my POINT, man. You can argue over "who has it worse" all you want, but if you don't go out there and interact, and do whatever you can to make yourself what you want to be, then all the talk is just hot air. That what I was saying. You seem to agree. Kudos on the working out. Go get 'em.

("Naive"--- sheesh.)

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[Mad Manic]

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That's my POINT, man. You can argue over "who has it worse" all you want, but if you don't go out there and interact, and do whatever you can to make yourself what you want to be, then all the talk is just hot air. That what I was saying. You seem to agree. Kudos on the working out. Go get 'em.

("Naive"--- sheesh.)

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TBH I talk about this stuff because it fascinates me. I don't even feel that bad inside about the situation, the fascination seems to surpass it all. Like knowing about how society views men and women, it's really incredible.

 

[drak_ool]

The point of my post is: if you are not getting the women you want, look for the answers within you instead of blaming the way society is structured. Good DJs have it easier than most women, so strive to improve yourself instead of blaming external factors for your failures

remember that from my first post?

well, well, that looks a lot like this:

That's why I'm getting built and ripped (done by spring). That's why I'm on here. That's why I'll sarge alone if I have to in order to improve. I'm not a naive guy anymore thinking 'it's going to be fine'. Not if I don't make it happen.

with this thread i wasn't trying to argue the point that men IN GENERAL have it easier than women in general. I was saying that a few select men (the DjS, PUAs and naturals...oh ya, and also the very rich) have it easier than most girls. So instead of complaining about how hard it is for AVERAGE guys to get girls, one should strive to become one of those select few

 

[Last Man Standing]

thanks mad manic, your response is typical of the point of view on women and society i was attacking. Men have no power and women have all the power

You are being sarcastic, right?? Men have the power - women have it only if relinquish it!!! I haven't relinquished it, have you? I'm afraid to many men have!!

 

[comic_relief]

Tell this to the guys who go to brothels to get sex on a saturday night week after week who have been single forever. Average guys. Then ask the average girls. Ok ...

That's an average guy to you?

I must be way above average then (good news for me)! I have never been to a brothel at all and I get laid with or without a relationship.

comic_relief

 

[drak_ool]

You are being sarcastic, right?? Men have the power - women have it only if relinquish it!!! I haven't relinquished it, have you? I'm afraid to many men have!!

exactly! as a man you have the power unless you give it away

 

[comic_relief]

with this thread i wasn't trying to argue the point that men IN GENERAL have it easier than women in general. I was saying that a few select men (the DjS, PUAs and naturals...oh ya, and also the very rich) have it easier than most girls. So instead of complaining about how hard it is for AVERAGE guys to get girls, one should strive to become one of those select few

Drak_ool, you have said so elegantly what I have been saying for the longest while in many more words.

Thank you.

comic_relief

 

[DJVladdy]

we need more threads like this one on this site

 

[Mad Manic]

Well, the thread says ' "women have more choice because of society rules" crap ' and the solution is to become one of the few selected players that comprise a tiny proportion of society. If that doesn't imply that women have the power, then I don't know what does, because it's not like only a small fraction of women have any sort of sexual choice. In the end it's the same stuff; meet women's riduclous pedestalised criteria or don't.

MM

 

[mrRuckus]

I don't think they enjoy sex as much as men. They may enjoy the power/control/validation/dominance etc. but I don't think they enjoy it as much. Men are more driven BECAUSE they enjoy it more thanks to genetics which states that spreading their seed gives happiness (anything that improves statistical probability of offspring).

There are plenty of animal species that the females are incredibly promiscuous including chimpanzees - our closest relative. I'm not sure i buy that human females are less driven.





I have no idea what men do, but i noticed that a lot of women will stay with guys they claim are bad in bed. I'd never stay with a girl poor in bed. I don't know how many times i was into a girl and she was just BAD or couldn't even kiss properly and i was right out the door. This is why i like that one guy's (Rollo?) rule about if she makes you wait for sex, it's never worth the wait... especially since most that don't make you wait are still not worth it.

 

[ketostix]

Well I don't question that women have a sex drive and are horny, but as far as being driven to be promiscuous (having different partners) there seems to be 0 evidence they're as driven as males and a lot of evidence they're not.

I also would be suspicious of any claims that an attractive women stays with a guy that was really bad sexually.

Now people are starting to agree with my assertion that the top tier guys get all of the hot girls and a disportunate amount of the less hot girls. I disagree that top tier guys have it easier than top tier women or even easier than the top 50% of women.

One thing people aren't willing to accept is that while sure a guy can work harder and improve his success to some degree, to really reach your goals or to maybe become a top tier guy may not even be possible. if it's based on appearance and things that can't easily or really be changed then it's not possible.


Anyway, it's hard not to believe that women are so competed for that they've raised their standards to where men have to work so hard and parse every word and action and can't be themselves and say what they really think. Just think of how many do's and don't rules we have: don't show too much interest, don't show any insecurity, don't show anger, but do the opposite and act confident, spin plates, and on and on. It's pretty obvious that women's standards are so high that a man can't be real and even still attract a girl. While women are allowed to be men's worse nightmare and they can have more men than they can handle. It does all seem like a lot of work, effort and trouble for nothing.

 

[Mad Manic]

Anyway, it's hard not to believe that women are so competed for that they've raised their standards to where men have to work so hard and parse every word and action and can't be themselves and say what they really think. Just think of how many do's and don't rules we have: don't show too much interest, don't show any insecurity, don't show anger, but do the opposite and act confident, spin plates, and on and on. It's pretty obvious that women's standards are so high that a man can't be real and even still attract a girl. While women are allowed to be men's worse nightmare and they can have more men than they can handle. It does all seem like a lot of work, effort and trouble for nothing.

Agreed, women are demanding everything under the god damn sun and getting it on a plate from the top 1 % or so, men are demanding not a lot (some sex) and most get nothing even after effort/hard work due to the pedestalised standards. Sigh, I'm off to the gym now.

MM

 

[drak_ool]

actually, the "top 1%" or "top tier" or top whatever DON'T give women what they want on a gold platter and that is exactly why women want to be with them

ketostix men can't be themselves and get women? have you ever heard of NATURAL game?

honestly i don't understand what your guys' point is. we seem to agree that most average guys are plugged in the societal matrix and simply don't know how to unplug themselves or get girls. Also we agree that there is a (smaller) percentage of guys who can get women. you guys seem to be unplugged from the matrix and able to see things for what they are, but from your posts one gets the impression that your success with women is not what you d want it to be. you know what you have to do (improve yourself), why do you also have to whine all the time?

 

[ketostix]

ketostix men can't be themselves and get women? have you ever heard of NATURAL game?

Well it's debateable if a natural is just being how he really wants or is acting on things learned and through trial and error since and early age. In other words modifying his behavior to what he believes works best when interacting with a woman. Most guys natural or not seem to have an MO around women. Women modify their behavior around men too but usually not how most men want women to be, but women can get away with it and men can't.

I'm not whining. Being unplugged from the matrix alone doesn't guarantee results you might want. I honestly doubt few if any men are totally happy with their situation with women outside of a few crazy in love in a relationship.And it definitely doesn't qguarantee more happiness. Sometimes a little ignorance is bliss or being overly optimistic

 

[DonGorgon]

That's why women never get breasts enlarged, tummies tucked, wear makeup, exercise, ... oh wait, never mind.

Yeah, you're wrong.

Actually they do all those things so they can have a better chance of sleeping with tHE few Brad Pits AND Densel Washingtons of tHE world... NOT FOR YOU.

 

[DonGorgon]

Well I don't question that women have a sex drive and are horny, but as far as being driven to be promiscuous (having different partners) there seems to be 0 evidence they're as driven as males and a lot of evidence they're not..

^^FALSE

- IT HAS BEEN SHOWN THAT WOMEN ARE MOER PROMISCUOUS THAN MALES BUT WAY MORE DISCRETE ABOUT IT.