tired of this "women have more choice because of society's rules" crap

[Mad Manic]

I put everything down to mathmatics. So do the math.
Traditionally women kept their pants on because of religion.
Religion went out the window in the west and the pill and condom came in.
Once a woman has fvcked, she will fvck again and again. This is why religion, run by men tried to keep women pure for marriage.
Today women fvck and fvck, its no big deal to most women these days.
Fvcking is not really considered a big deal to women, so they do it with multiple partners.
The math works like this
Women dont consider fvcking as a big deal + they will fvck a lot of men = they cant possibly be that choosy, especially as most females do one night stands etc.
So if women are not that choosy about who they fvck then it shouldnt take much to fvck them.
Most guys totally over think the whole process. look at the facts. DO the math.
Getting laid 50 years ago might have taken seriouss skills, today its kinda a joke. And any guy who wants to get laid and cant needs to remember what ive said here, if your not getting pu55y its because your focusing on one woman or because you believe women are the virgin mary and its preventing you from hitting on them. Even the most innocent looking women are slvts, I was an afc long ago but women are not precious innocents and treating them as such is the main reason guys dont get pu55y.

No, in the past there was a more probable one-one map so most guys got a girl on a similar level. Because women became more promiscuous and the introduction of feminism etc., they decided to become harsher in their selection of men. So yes, they may be sluts and getting laid, but only to the top tier guys who are deemed worthy enough of their pvssy. The facts say that most men don't get laid and most women do. The distribution is right-shifted for men and relatively even for women.

 

[Mad Manic]

Once a woman or man is seually active they become less fussy, a lot less fussy.

No they don't. The HB6 in the 50s might not have lost her V till she was married but she probably married a similar level guy who didn't need to go through many hoops. Yes women became more sexually active, but then they held the power and decided to ration it to the top tier guys. They can screw 1000 guys, but if that's the top 1000 guys for instance, then that doesn't bode well for the 1 million other men who don't get laid. The women are more promiscuous but it turns out the men aren't as they're forced not to be.

Virgins are fussy because they wait for the "right one" to come along. Like I state sex is viewed as no big deal by most women and men, so they mess around at the drop of a hat.

Virgin women of a remotely decent calibre are yes, virgin men are virgins not by choice. Sex is obviously a big deal to men so you're talking BS there. Sex isn't a big deal to women which is why they ration it only to the top level guys. 'If I'm gonna have some sex, I'll use my powers and do it with the best one because I can'.

Its not brainsurgery like too many afc's think it is. If you believe its impossible then it is.

It's harder than brain surgery. You can learn brain surgery. But to learn pick up is another thing. You'll need to look the part, act the part and know all the tiny intricacies involved in order to not mess up and defeat all the competition. To get a hot girl isn't easy. So far nobody on the site is actually in a LTR with a HB8+ from my eyes. I know hardly anyone who is. I got close but no cigar.

 

[drak_ool]

yeah i agree.

it probably is easier for a girl to get laid. infact it obviously is

BUT

i know LOADS of girls that cant find a 'decent guy' (i know they want a 'bad' boy or whatever really). Those girls wouldnt agree that women have it easier.

fact is, most men suck with women and therefore come across as chumps. a girl has toweed these guys out of the process. its tough for the AFC's but easy pudding for the DJ's because when a girl finds the 'decent guy'/DJ they then quickly develop a oneitis for him due to the difficulty in finding such.

conclusion- brush up your game and make it happen. live in your own reality

ok, i haven't quite had the time to read all the recent post but i m glad that in the sea of crap responses i ve been getting (thank you DonJuan 11, your advice on how NOT to get laid is really helping everyone here) there is someone who sees things as they are AND decides to do something about it

 

[Shyguy2003]

No, in the past there was a more probable one-one map so most guys got a girl on a similar level. Because women became more promiscuous and the introduction of feminism etc., they decided to become harsher in their selection of men. So yes, they may be sluts and getting laid, but only to the top tier guys who are deemed worthy enough of their pvssy. The facts say that most men don't get laid and most women do. The distribution is right-shifted for men and relatively even for women.

That's exactly what I was going to say. The "old system" was better catered toward the average man because he would have much more choice. Since the introduction of feminism decades ago and the progression it has made, as of 2007, women DON'T need men. Women can go out and support themselves (more then ever women are taking up job positions that used to traditionally belong to men), so why do they need men? With the exception of children, women have no use for men (even though a lot of women now adays are putting off children for their careers). Since a woman has choice, women aren't going to settle for "joe average" who is no better or maybe even beneath her on the totem pole...she is going to want the top dogs. She will prostitute herself to the guys that every girl wants and wants to be seen with, but the average guy is just left with his **** in his hands. Women have made it so difficult guys have to have the looks of brad pitt, the money of warrent buffett, intelligence of einstein and social proof of george clooney. If not at least lie like a car salesman and hope you can convey that type of image.

Alot of guys are AFC's, but that is not the sole reason a lot of them are chronic masterbators. A big reason is because times have changed and women have amped up the stakes...why do you think a lot of old timers from the past generations ***** about today's generation and how assbackwards it is? Women acting like men (except without a ****) wasn't seen 30+ years ago and if it was, it would be met with shame.

Now, some might challenge me by saying "Well I know one guy who is stupid and ugly as sin and he ****s a hot woman". A guy can be the biggest mangina on the planet, but if he has money, what is he then? Huh? What is he? He's not "average" I can tell you that, he meets one of the criteria women selfishly seek out. Most couples that I have seen where there was a large disparity lookwise between the male and the female, the female was with the guy because he was either rich or came from some wealthy and recognized family. Ugly, rich and well known = great, ugly, so-so money, well known = good, averge appearance, so-so money, not very well known = chronic masterbating, sexless, mother ****er!

 

[Mad Manic]

ok, i haven't quite had the time to read all the recent post but i m glad that in the sea of crap responses i ve been getting (thank you DonJuan 11, your advice on how NOT to get laid is really helping everyone here) there is someone who sees things as they are AND decides to do something about it

We all see it as it is. You're telling men to match up to the standard. In another 50 years, there will probably be a drak_ool2 telling men to stop being loser chumps by looking good and having good game, they need to be magicians and have incredible ultra game to get the girl.

MM

 

[drak_ool]

mad manic, i still don't understand what exactly we re arguing about... this is how the situation looks:

FACT: you, don juan11 and a few others on this website can't get laid with the women you want

FACT: PUAs/DJs and naturals get laid with the women they want

now how does b.itching about your lack of success, or about how society "isn't fair" gonna help you get the women you want? I never said it s easy... depending on your looks it might even be very hard for you but you can do it if you put in the effort, just like everything else in life

 

[Mad Manic]

mad manic, i still don't understand what exactly we re arguing about... this is how the situation looks:

FACT: you, don juan11 and a few others on this website can't get laid with the women you want

FACT: PUAs/DJs and naturals get laid with the women they want

now how does b.itching about your lack of success, or about how society "isn't fair" gonna help you get the women you want? I never said it s easy... depending on your looks it might even be very hard for you but you can do it if you put in the effort, just like everything else in life

I don't get it, if you're such a pimp that you're sexing HB 8-10s at will then why are you here and why are you telling people x, y and z? This thread btw has nothing to do with 'how to get women'. It's a discussion about stuff.

MM

 

[Mad Manic]

This attitude is tragic man. Right listen to me right now. The last girl I was with I had been with for almost 4 years, on and off relationship though. She was a 10, french canadian, had been approached dozens of times from model scouts. OK, believe it. I on the other hand am a self proclaimed BUM and Im not proud about that, Im adverage looking and have NO MONEY.. I am unhygenic and dont use deoderant, infact the french girl always *****ed at me for that and forced me into the shower every morning, infact every girl ive fvcked insist i take a shower first, and im not joking. The girl I had before here was also smoking hot but she did my head right in. Infact that is the main problem, you get a woman and then you just wanna be on your own, seriously, women are not the awnser to all your problems just the beginning to a new set of problems. When I go out I wear a dull green army jacket and dirty trainers and greasy hair and stubble. . I do though have a broad knowledge of people and human behaviour. I also am able to get women into bed when I feel lke doing so, of course I get knocked back too like everyone. You are way off. SO FAR OFF ITS NOT FUNNY. My aim is to be successful in life for myself not for some woman. If women wanna hang out with me thats great but they can pay for themselves and that is how i treat women. YOU MY TRAGIC FRIEND PUT HO'S ON A PEDISTLE. If you put a woman on a pesistle that means she is the one looking down at YOU.

I'm not off at all, that's exactly how it is. You just don't like the facts and the statistics. Things are only easy if you're able to do it. Most people are crap at maths and thus conclue it's hard, to the naturals it's easy as pie (no pun intended). And knowing/talking about this stuff isn't putting pvssy on a pedestal. Ignoring the dynamic and how the sex is distributed is just delusional, not indicative of a PUA/DJ. "Things are fvcked up but I'll be a pimp" - Yes, but not "Things aren't fvcked up and only a loser isn't a pimp" - No.

MM

 

[comic_relief]

yeah i agree.

it probably is easier for a girl to get laid. infact it obviously is

BUT

i know LOADS of girls that cant find a 'decent guy' (i know they want a 'bad' boy or whatever really). Those girls wouldnt agree that women have it easier.

fact is, most men suck with women and therefore come across as chumps. a girl has toweed these guys out of the process. its tough for the AFC's but easy pudding for the DJ's because when a girl finds the 'decent guy'/DJ they then quickly develop a oneitis for him due to the difficulty in finding such.

conclusion- brush up your game and make it happen. live in your own reality

exactly, I'm tired of these posts. So, I don't feel like arguing/debating this anymore.

coimc_relief

 

[Shyguy2003]

mad manic, i still don't understand what exactly we re arguing about... this is how the situation looks:

FACT: you, don juan11 and a few others on this website can't get laid with the women you want

FACT: PUAs/DJs and naturals get laid with the women they want

now how does b.itching about your lack of success, or about how society "isn't fair" gonna help you get the women you want? I never said it s easy... depending on your looks it might even be very hard for you but you can do it if you put in the effort, just like everything else in life

Everyone and their mother knows about Pick up artistry these days. Most *****es either know about it or have even read the friggin book by that baldy that started this whole craze. How is throwing out rehashed lines that a woman has already heard before going to seperate you from countless of other guys who are already doing the same thing? Hmm??? I am going to tell you the secret and fail proof way of getting most women you desire. No, it's not hitting the gym or any **** like that even though you should be in there anyways for health purposes. When you come across a women you really like, you just go up to her and pull out a giant wad of cash. If you don't want to go up to her, then at least just be seen throwing around the big bucks and you'll capture her attention (Note, you should actually have money to throw around if you do this).

Take it from me, I used to be pathetic with women up until college. In highschool I could do no better then "friend" and the only girls that liked me were fat *****es who looked like they wanted to eat me, not kiss me. Now at 23, I have had a hot girlfriend I am considering ditching for 2 years and am liked by a ton of hot women that before wouldn't of given me the time of day. Not average women, but HOT women. You want to know when things started to turn around and why? Because I went to college and graduated with a degree in mechanical engineering. How funny their tone of voice and general warmth towards me would change when I would mention that. The quality of interested girls has gone up, especially since I have graduated and been working at a job that pays very good money.

Experiencing this, I no longer respect women and have started to hate them. I now treat them badly since I know what their all about. They don't give a **** about your Pick up artistry, your personality or confidence, none of that ****. If you have those things, that's very nice and its great for you, but women don't give a ****. Women care about tangible things, especially that green stuff they like to spend. Women don't give a **** about you and your achievements and job occupation, unless it's something like law and even that is only because they can use it to impress their friends. For some big shot to chose them means bragging rights and that she's "special" They don't care about you, you're only needed until the next best thing comes along.

 

[lurker]

This attitude is tragic man. Right listen to me right now. The last girl I was with I had been with for almost 4 years, on and off relationship though. She was a 10, french canadian, had been approached dozens of times from model scouts. OK, believe it. I on the other hand am a self proclaimed BUM and Im not proud about that, Im adverage looking and have NO MONEY.. I am unhygenic and dont use deoderant, infact the french girl always *****ed at me for that and forced me into the shower every morning, infact every girl ive fvcked insist i take a shower first, and im not joking. The girl I had before here was also smoking hot but she did my head right in. Infact that is the main problem, you get a woman and then you just wanna be on your own, seriously, women are not the awnser to all your problems just the beginning to a new set of problems. When I go out I wear a dull green army jacket and dirty trainers and greasy hair and stubble. . I do though have a broad knowledge of people and human behaviour. I also am able to get women into bed when I feel lke doing so, of course I get knocked back too like everyone. You are way off. SO FAR OFF ITS NOT FUNNY. My aim is to be successful in life for myself not for some woman. If women wanna hang out with me thats great but they can pay for themselves and that is how i treat women. YOU MY TRAGIC FRIEND PUT HO'S ON A PEDISTLE. If you put a woman on a pesistle that means she is the one looking down at YOU.

thats the best point iv seen in this whole lame -ass thread. infact in this whole forum in a while.you think these guys will ever learn? they will not..so dont bother explaning.

 

[Shyguy2003]

Good for you...Just one point though. If you decide to marry or have a girlfriend and you got that woman because you waved your money or status in front of her then your in for a shock. Women will always fvck a charmer. If a guy with skills comes on to a woman then she will leave her rich husband for a bum, infact she will take half his cash too. Money may be good for buying women but its not going to secure them. Remember pimps dont pay.

I don't intend to marry because getting married doesn't pay in this day and age. But I would say that is for the most part true. However on the flip side, if a charmer can't offer anything but his charm that will in time get old...a girl will readily cheat on his ass for the nearest guy with the convertible.

 

[lurker]

And all this HB8 HB9 BULL. Rating systme out of star trek or something, maybe this is your problem aswell. A woman is either 10 or not. A woman is either fine as hell or not, enought of this HB nonsense. YOU like many others on this site over complicate the whole issue. Making things complicated with all your daft lingo doesnt help yourselves it just makes women more out of fing reach, it makes your own lives more complicated and difficult. To say getting a woman is more difficult than brain surgery, come fing on. I wasnt always confident with women and it can be learned. Its just about being relaxed and confident, and yes you can practice being relaxed in different situations and yes you can become more confident in life and with approaching women successfully. WAKE UP.

another great point man..very good point

,iv left this place for a while and im still baflled we still got ppl talking like this is science hb this or that like they are calculating some kinda lame -ass formular.geting women isnt science. youll never know the fumlar on how to get them you can only try and get a home run every now and then..stop compicating things especially for newbess
this pointless
..great reply remote control tell em how it is. these ppl crack me up.

 

[comic_relief]

I'm not off at all, that's exactly how it is. You just don't like the facts and the statistics. Things are only easy if you're able to do it. Most people are crap at maths and thus conclue it's hard, to the naturals it's easy as pie (no pun intended). And knowing/talking about this stuff isn't putting pvssy on a pedestal. Ignoring the dynamic and how the sex is distributed is just delusional, not indicative of a PUA/DJ. "Things are fvcked up but I'll be a pimp" - Yes, but not "Things aren't fvcked up and only a loser isn't a pimp" - No.

MM

Most members of this site that has been on here for quite a bit of time disagree with you because we know how to change the dynamic. You on the other hand, seem to fight it tooth and nail and refuse to even see any other way of thinking because you are always right and everyone else is always wrong unless they agree with you.

Women do have it easier, but you can change the dynamic around.

comic_relief

 

[comic_relief]

btw I finished arguing with Mad Manic because his aguements were just complete sh!t. Excuses excuses excuses.

I'm tired of his BS. Bye guys

comic_relief

 

[drak_ool]

Oh by the way I see your only 20 years old. Im 32 so stop trying to argue with a man who has a lot more life experience and wisdom than your 20 year old a$$. when I was 20 I probably had pu$$y on the brain 24/7 too and thats where your at, your too obsessed. Get them testosterone levels down, maybe your skin will creal up and you wont go through so much cleenex. Man your 20 and frustraited as hell but your just starting out in life so chill the hell out. You need to chill out big time. Your attitude on this site will show through when your taliking to women, even if you think it doesnt, it does. Women can detect a frustraited chump, guys who fumble around for the right words or whos mouth dries up etc. Learn how to relax, take up yoga.
Secondly Im here because I am trying to help guys like you. I know how you feel and I was there one time. Believe me if you take a more relaxed approach to life in general then when you talk to girls they will pick up on that vibe and women want that feeling. they want men who are relaxed in their own skin, its called being cool. Keep on being wound up and frustrated and you be really successful with keeping the women off.

damn man, you re on top of your shyt today...

hey mad manic, open your eyes and read what this man has to say, he speaks the truth. i am here to get BETTER with women, not because i m not getting laid. i haven't scored jessica alba yet, so i still need to improve myself. And i m also here to try and help others who are way behind me in their development as PUAs/DJs

shyguy, what an interesting point you have! if you have a lot of $$$ and you throw it around you will get the hot babes you want! you have just enlighten me... when did you come around to realize this? and why are we all here instead of looking up stocks or something more productive?

 

[Shyguy2003]

damn man, you re on top of your shyt today...

hey mad manic, open your eyes and read what this man has to say, he speaks the truth. i am here to get BETTER with women, not because i m not getting laid. i haven't scored jessica alba yet, so i still need to improve myself. And i m also here to try and help others who are way behind me in their development as PUAs/DJs

shyguy, what an interesting point you have! if you have a lot of $$$ and you throw it around you will get the hot babes you want! you have just enlighten me... when did you come around to realize this? and why are we all here instead of looking up stocks or something more productive?

The point I am making is you guys can spit all the game you want, but you can only go so far. A lot of you guys on here argue that all you need is game and you'll be getting the Jenna Jameson's of the world, but that is bull****, lots of guys know a few tips and tricks on how to hook women, so how are you any different then them? I know a few guys that have game and sit around and talk about women (They don't post or know about this site) and they DO have sex...but it's with mediocre looking chicks when they get it. They aren't bad looking or socially inept or anything, but those magic 8-10's are out of their reach.

I'm not saying chasing girls is bad thing, but its laughable when some people on here mention that all you need to do is churn out a few witty lines and you'll be sleeping with hot women...even if you're a smelly, impoverished loser in life. The first question out of practically every girl's mouth in a conversation is "So what do you do?/What's your goals and ambition?" Yeah go on and tell her nothing, but be sure to remind her you have "tight game", i'm sure that will reel her in.

Instead, I advocate you guys get more education, work out, whatever. Just something that isn't girls related. In time you will then attract these mother ****ers and you won't have to resort to pointless, rehashed lines and **** like "negs". Really, your trying to outsmart women in their REALM, where they are supreme. Girls spend their entire lives since their young talking about guys and dating. You guys think your one step ahead because you know a few things out of "The Game"? Ha, you're really two steps behind. I laughed my ass off when I read a funny post the other day about some DJ in training using a routine from that book on some girl and she responded that she read that part in the book. He hauled ass right after and was in shame.

 

[lurker]

shyguy has a point lets be realistic too, and i agree with him based on going out to the real world(someting i wonder if must guys here do).i agree to some extent..if its the sex you want then by use what you have even if its your money. but relationship-wise. i wouldnt even give them a hint i had that much money,even if i did i'd complain about a little thing,like hey that beer is quite expensive or something like this city drains you financially..make them know yes im working and can be successfull but im no fool thats gonna throw his money around,i dont brag..but the same time i dont wana come off like a bum,
i put subtle hints that im going places but just for a few seconds and divert the topic... to get a feel of what type of women they are i do that...youll defo attract shallow women..if you show off..but if that what some guy's wants then that his choice.

 

[Shyguy2003]

shyguy has a point lets be realistic too, and i agree with him based on going out to the real world(someting i wonder if must guys here do).i agree to some extent..if its the sex you want then by use what you have even if its your money. but relationship-wise. i wouldnt even give them a hint i had that much money,even if i did i'd complain about a little thing,like hey that beer is quite expensive or something like this city drains you financially..make them know yes im working and can be successfull but im no fool thats gonna throw his money around,i dont brag..but the same time i dont wana come off like a bum,
i put subtle hints that im going places but just for a few seconds and divert the topic... to get a feel of what type of women they are i do that...youll defo attract shallow women..if you show off..but if that what some guy's wants then that his choice.

Lurker, there are always exceptions. And yes, if you want a relationship, the worst way is to lure a woman in through money. I was semijoking when I mentioned throwing cash around, but all the super hot women are gold diggers for the most part, so you have to get ready to flash some cash if you expect to get one of those types.

Most women, especially hot one's that have choice are going to "date up". My point has been, game or not, most women today, especially hot women, go to school and end up going into jobs where they make their own money (often very good money), so they can afford to raise the stakes...A LOT. This means you have to bring just as much to the table, just being witty and ****y isn't going to cut it. It might work initially and you capture her interest, but once she finds out you're not on her level (don't think she won't ask questions or test you), she's long gone.

 

[Shyguy2003]

My last post tonight

jenna jameson is a real wh0re, she fvcks for a living, she is a high payed prostitute. Pay her enough and she will do you too. IDIOT. I wouldnt Fvck her on principal alone, she is a prostitute and I dont pay for prostitutes even her. YOU ARE AN IDIOT IF JENNA IS YOUR IDEA OF A DREAM WOMAN.
I dont need approval of some girl who works in a call centre or does hair or a girl who has money either, why would I need someonelse approval??? They need mine. If you are talking about RICH WOMAN, I have had those too. If your talking about movie stars, sorry I cant afford to hang out where they go but if I could I would hit on and get one. By the way YOU ARE AN FING IDIOT. The Jenna Jameson line says it all douch bag. Go sit beneath her pedastle where you belong.

Haha, that is what I thought, you have shown your true colors chump change, resorting to your petty juvenile attacks because you can't come up with anything else. I don't know why you're upset or who you are, but, normally I tend to be quite diplomatic and avoid these sort of things. I can see you're a special case though.....I'm sorry I struck a nerve you giant mangina (I'm actually not sorry). Need your approval you say? I have a feeling you'll be waiting a looooooooong time before that happens, but, hey, if you try hard enough and close your eyes, that anime porn does almost feel like the real thing. The advice I gave was sound advice and many here would benefit from it, but you remote control-o are beyond help and if you don't watch it, I will take your girlfriend or wife and then give her to one of my bisexual female friends. I am finished with you and will end it like this, I don't care what you think or say, especially after this, just make sure that pizza I order gets to my house in 20 minutes.
P.S. When I referred to the "jenna jameson's" of the world, I was referring to her appearance retardo, not her character. If you could read past a 3rd grade level, you would see some of my posts in this thread have attacked gold digger and ho-mentality. Also what is a "pedastle"? I'm going to have a hard time sitting under it since I don't know what it is and it doesn't exist. Perhaps you meant PEDESTAL dumbass.