Tipping

[oakraiderz2]

I hate having to rehash things again, but it seems I have little choice.

I guess you do, sorry, im guess i really am that lazy.

^^^Well, that's a little strange, you rant without a point, but when it comes to making an actual point, you suddenly don't feel like it?

Yea, this whole quoting everything and thinking of a response isnt something i really enjoy doing, but i guess now i have no choice

^^^Yes, I thoughts I went over this part already, but apparently it takes a while for things to sink in with you. Any male who has a sufficient intellect to go online, and post on this forum, has in my opinion sufficient skills to make at least 30k a year. Do I have to repeat myself again?

Really. There are 13 and 14 year olds who go online and post on forums. Do you see them making that much money?? I dont think so. So therefore...youre wrong...but wait, people who ARE FINISHED with college should make that much...let me go find when you said that and tell you which post it is since i obviously make this stuff up.

^^^For a person of average intelligence and out of school? YES!

You can find that on page three, post number 58. So which one is it? Someone who can post online, or someone out of school with average intelligence? Pick one...thanks.

^^^No I didn't say that, but it's a moot point. Anyone with half a brain and a college degree should be able to make a lot more then 30k a year.

Whoa whoa whoa...switching it up again. So you didnt say anyone out of college should make 30k? Once again, go to page three, post number 58...once you do that continue to insult me like you have in such a mature fashion.

^^^No I don't know if you're in college, I'm not psychic, and whenever possible I choose not to make assumptions. At the present time high school kids are very internet savvy. I don't know if you noticed but there is actually a separate forum for high school kids on here. As far as being 20 and in highschool, that's a disctinct possibility, many kids graduate when they are 18, 19, or 20. I think it's a bit arrogant of you to assume that anyone 20 and in highschool is on drugs and saddled with kids. (btw, I graduated at 17, most people graduate at 18 or 19.)

Ok, im in college. Usually people would make that assumption figuring someone is 20, but wait you trust no one...im just a savy internet kid. Dont tell me that you have your own stigmas about an individual who is 20 and is still in high school. Most people actually graduate at 18. I graduated at 17 to, yippy for us. How many 20 year olds do you know in high school? The people i know who are 19 or 20 who still havent graduated are fvck ups. The minority of people over 18 in hs actually have a legitamate reason. Maybe youre just a caring person who withholds judgement from everyone...

^^^I NEVER said that. If you bothered to read my posts in this thread you'd see I actually support tipping. Unlike you however I am willing to at least try to see things from different perspectives. STOP ASSUMING START READING! Just a word of advice, when you aSSume you make as a$$ of yourself.

Actually, when you aSSume you make an ass of you AND me, nice try to twist it around for yourself...once again.

^^^Well good for you. Considering your posts I have a hard time believing this, but good for you.

Really, i do believe you were the one who got sooooo offended because i got upset...page three, post number 55...once again.

^^^Finally something we can agree on. You'd know that I agree, if you actually bothered to read my posts and think.

Yea, you might want to read your post as well.

^^^ Did I ever say I was better? No I didn't. In fact I'm not, which is exactly why I think anyone can work as well as I do, and make a good living. As far as burst bubbles go, I think your ego is about to burst. Either that or one of your blood vessels, happy brain aneurysm!

Not quite, my ego is fine. Still gonna say you never said certain things? I think so. Why do i think you have an aire of arrogance which results in you thinking youre soooo great?

^^^His replies are to the thread, not to my posts specifically. Your replies started with alot of attitude towards a question specifically in my post.

Yea, my bad.

Frankly I'm annoyed at having to regurgitate the obvious to you, AGAIN. If you have a legitimate argument to make, then do it. Stop replying with nonsense rants.

Yea?? Im tired of you not seeing the error of your ways. I honestly see mine and yes, i did react a little harshly, didnt iterate my arguement and was vague. My bad. I said some stupid sh*t, but you did too. Youre pretty stubborn in my opinion (dont get all offended cause you stated your opinion of me as well). Im done.

 

[PRMoon]

translate demon's explanation into english and we have come up with these results: "im a cheap *******"

Yeah i was going to say this but you beat me to the punch. And that's really the bottom line for people who don't tip. If you don't tip your wait staff and bartenders, then you're cheap, period. You're willing to pay the restarunt money for their product but can't give the servers a few extra bucks to say thank you makes you a cheap and unclassy person and that's what it boils down to. You can come up with whatever explination about society and it's principles or econimics or whatever but really you're making excuses for being a cheap person. That's a fact.

 

[Demon]

If you don't tip your wait staff and bartenders, then you're cheap, period.

If you don't donate to the poor, then you're cheap, period.

You're willing to pay the restarunt money for their product but can't give the servers a few extra bucks to say thank you ...

I don't need to thank you for doing your god damn job! You guys talk about "class" as though you have any. You don't! That's why you're working for $2.13/hour. When you think the world owes you something, you're just another born loser. The fact that you chose underpaid work and that you chose to keep doing work without fair pay is indicative of your status as both a worker and as a human being. Those who live off the blood of others are leeches.

The good things in life are not free, and I'm not giving you any fücking handouts. I earned my money. Earn yours. If you want more money, be an earner. Achieve something. Smiling at me and being friendly aren't achievements. That's not meritorious service. You don't deserve to be rewarded for something so cheap and common and easy. If I wanted to pay someone to be sociable, I'd hire an actor. If I wanted to pay someone to smile, I'd hire a model. You're just a waiter. Seat me. You're just a server. Bring me my food, bîtch. I don't give a shît about your financial situation. Get a better fücking job. And shut the fück up.

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Jim Gordon: [Batman turns to leave] I never got to say thank you.
Bruce Wayne: And you'll never have to.

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I'm out. I've said everything I wanted to say. Now I'm just repeating myself with Bad English and movie quotes.

 

[PRMoon]

If you don't donate to the poor, then you're cheap, period.

The poor didn't do anything for you. Although I will say 20 dollars out of everyone of my paychecks goes to charitable services dedicated to helping the poor and underprivledged.

I don't need to thank you for doing your god damn job! You guys talk about "class" as though you have any. You don't! That's why you're working for $2.13/hour. When you think the world owes you something, you're just another born loser. The fact that you chose underpaid work and that you chose to keep doing work without fair pay is indicative of your status as both a worker and as a human being. Those who live off the blood of others are leeches.

The good things in life are not free, and I'm not giving you any fücking handouts. I earned my money. Earn yours. If you want more money, be an earner. Achieve something. Smiling at me and being friendly aren't achievements. That's not meritorious service. You don't deserve to be rewarded for something so cheap and common and easy. If I wanted to pay someone to be sociable, I'd hire an actor. If I wanted to pay someone to smile, I'd hire a model. You're just a waiter. Seat me. You're just a server. Bring me my food, bîtch. I don't give a shît about your financial situation. Get a better fücking job. And shut the fück up.

People tip me in my concierge position because I do well for them. My base job is to set them up with t times for golf and reservations for restarunts and the like. When I use some of my personal connections to get them better times or revservations, they're greatful for my additional and uncessary acts. As an act of class they give me tips sometimes it's just 20 bucks other times they'll wait till the end and tip me a few hundred to a few thousand dollars and get myname so when they come back i can serve them again. They do so knowing that I'll work hard for them and my efforts will be rewarded. I make about 30-40K a year from my wage but that number more then doubles because I go the extra mile. It's not charity, it's effort and people of high class know that extra effort deserves incentive. That's why alot of sales buisness have bonuses for the best salesmen and alot of companies offer incentive and bonuses for work during their busy seasons.

Someone has to serve food to the public and if you look at P&L reports from most restarunts you'll see that even paying their employees such low wages, payroll is still a conciderable expense. That's why 9 out of 10 new restarunts that open fail. There isn't a tremendous amount of money being earned by the establishments. Not only do the servers have to perform their job, they have to do it at the standard of the restarunt for very low wage. Alot of them will not have the opportunity to find better work or have fallen from a better postion and this is all there is left for them. A tip need not be more then a few dollars here and there and for those with the money, or for those who have been in that position before, tipping is a nod of appreciation for doing a very difficult job for next to nothing. Giving a few extra dollars here and there for appreciation won't break anyones bank but it could make someone's day who's working a 12 hour shift in high heels and still doing it well. Cheap and unclassy people will not understand this but that's okay. They're cheap an unclassy so that's to be expected of them. A history of good tipping helps the reciver of the service in the long run and they really didn't give up too much to get there. Restarunts, bars, clubs, lounges and the like have given me tons of free service and good because I tipped well before in the past. The free services (meals, bottles, tables) come at high traffic times and far outweigh the tips i've given in the past. Getting seated in a high level reststarunt when they're "at occupancy" or "reservation only" isn't an accident. By tipping you're just working the system and it pays off.

But to each his own. Classy people get classy benifits, while average people will always be average. I'll never settle for mediocrity but i understand that that this comes with a price. You have to earn that kind of prestige.

 

[MisterNigma]

This is getting out of hand.

I hope this is the last reply I have to make on this particular thread.

Yea, this whole quoting everything and thinking of a response isnt something i really enjoy doing, but i guess now i have no choice

^^^ I don't enjoy it eather, but it's the most efficient way of having an online debate.

Really. There are 13 and 14 year olds who go online and post on forums. Do you see them making that much money?? I dont think so. So therefore...youre wrong...but wait, people who ARE FINISHED with college should make that much...let me go find when you said that and tell you which post it is since i obviously make this stuff up.

^^^ Yes, and when those 13 and 14 year old enter the workforce, they should have the natural ability to make atleast 30k.
Now to repeat myself yet again, people out of college should make alot more then 30k.

You can find that on page three, post number 58. So which one is it? Someone who can post online, or someone out of school with average intelligence? Pick one...thanks.

^^^Why pick? It's both. I realize these are very unusual indicators of potential earning capability, but they are still good indicators. In my humble opinion people of average intelligence, should be able to make 30k.

Whoa whoa whoa...switching it up again. So you didnt say anyone out of college should make 30k? Once again, go to page three, post number 58...once you do that continue to insult me like you have in such a mature fashion.

^^^ I'm not switching things up. I just don't think that you need to categorize things so specifically. Is it truly that hard to consider two, three, or a dozen factors at the same time? As far as my insults go, I like them alot, atleast in so far as compared to coarse language. (I'm happy to say I can use coarse language to a limited degree in 8 languages.)

Ok, im in college. Usually people would make that assumption figuring someone is 20, but wait you trust no one...im just a savy internet kid. Dont tell me that you have your own stigmas about an individual who is 20 and is still in high school. Most people actually graduate at 18. I graduated at 17 to, yippy for us. How many 20 year olds do you know in high school? The people i know who are 19 or 20 who still havent graduated are fvck ups. The minority of people over 18 in hs actually have a legitamate reason. Maybe youre just a caring person who withholds judgement from everyone..

^^^ In my life, I try not to make assumtions, only observations. Making assumtions based on limited evidence, well that just leads to problems. Yes, the vast majority of people graduate at 18, but not all. Stigmas? Stigmas are assumptions, yes I have them, but I prefer not to prejudge people. At present I don't know any 20 year olds in highschool, I have been out of highschool for quiet some time now. When I was in highschool though, there were a few seniors, who were 20, one was actually 21, and they were normal guys. You're right in your last sentence, I do try to withhold judgement.

Actually, when you aSSume you make an ass of you AND me, nice try to twist it around for yourself...once again.

^^^ There is more then one interpretation to the saying. I admit, the one you're using is the more common. Still you seem to be a fan of assumtion, and I think I made myself clear as to where I stand regarding assumptions...

Really, i do believe you were the one who got sooooo offended because i got upset...page three, post number 55...once again.

^^^ LOL. Nothing in an online forum will make me "offended". I did get annoyed though. There are good ways to express the feeling of passion regarding a topic, and bad ways. Ranting and cursing are bad, and get annoying quickly.

Yea, you might want to read your post as well.

^^^ Hmm, the same things I wrote before are still there. The text is the same. Noticed a few minor syntax errors though.

Not quite, my ego is fine. Still gonna say you never said certain things? I think so. Why do i think you have an aire of arrogance which results in you thinking youre soooo great?

^^^ I'm at a loss as to where to begin. The fact that I don't think I'm great, is where my whole argument for the ability of people to make a decent living, comes from. If I can do it, so can anyone else. As far as arrogance goes, I find is interesting that you suddenly stopped using "ignorant" to describe me...

Yea?? Im tired of you not seeing the error of your ways. I honestly see mine and yes, i did react a little harshly, didnt iterate my arguement and was vague. My bad. I said some stupid sh*t, but you did too. Youre pretty stubborn in my opinion (dont get all offended cause you stated your opinion of me as well). Im done.

I would love to "see the error" of my ways, it's just so damn hard when you can't point to an error. I don't think I said any "stupid sh*t" but we are each entitled to an opinion. I'll admit, I am very stubborn. As far as offending me goes, don't worry.

I'm glad we can agree on what this thread was initially about. I hope that with this final reply I'm also "done" with this thread.


-E.Nigma

 

[white cloud 8]

wow....I just wanted to find out if I was tipping properly.

 

[MisterNigma]

wow....I just wanted to find out if I was tipping properly.

What can I say, this is a full service forum. You get your answer, and a debate on the morals and socio-economics of tipping. :yes:


-E.Nigma

 

[Demon]

wow....I just wanted to find out if I was tipping properly.

And the answer is: it depends on what you think is right.

The only standards by which you should compare your decisions are the standards you set.

 

[jlr12584]

yes, and we live in the matrix too. the waiters and the spoon at your table are not real.

 

[diplomatic_lies]

Why don't you Americans just get minimum wage implemented in restaurants? Seriously, you don't see lawyers or cleaners getting paid $2/hour. Tips should only make up a tiny portion of a waiter's salary, not 90% of it
.

Funnily enough, one of my favourite restaurants is a very "un-classy" place in the city, where the waiters dump the food on your table without a word, the chef smokes while cooking, and hygiene is questionable. For some unexplained reason, that kind of atmosphere is relaxing.

 

[Bible_Belt]

The restaurant industry is a powerful political lobbying force. They are often politically allied with several of the food producers as well, like the Dairy Farmers, Cattlemen, Pork Council, etc.

 

[PRMoon]

There are plenty of high paying jobs in vegas after you get away from the service industry. Most of the casino jobs are tip dependant because tourist come with the intention of tipping to get places. But the guys who program and maintain the slot machines get no tips so their wage is really juiced because of their importance.

 

[Demon]

Why don't you Americans just get minimum wage implemented in restaurants?

Minimum wage laws do impact restaurants. For jobs that offer opportunities to receive gratuity, however, the minimum wage laws mandate a lower base wage. Employers can pay more than the bare minimum... There's just no sense in doing so when employees don't complain.

 

[DA KID]

I work at a restaurant and I get paid 4.35 an hour used to be 3.85 but they raised. It's not bull****. Also most of the time when you dont get tipped you still OWE the restaurant money which sucks. Since they have to tip out host,busboys,bartenders,cooks etc