The real problem isn't OLD or Cold Approach, its you.

[KindredSpiritzz]

How so? Allot of women profiles have cut offs as to how old of a guy they want. Also if you are not finacially established then that would even be worst if you are older.

cause after 50 if you are in decent shape, have hair and teeth and halfway decent looking you're in the top 20% of whats available to women.
Women under 45 may care about a mans finances , women over that not as much. And im talking about dating around you're age range, not some 50 yr old guy trying to date a 25 yr old

 

[Atom Smasher]

Literally tried everything you suggested already in the past. Had close to no success on OLD. I guarantee you haven't even put in the hours I have trying to succeed on OLD. It simply does not work for me. My time is much better spent on other endeavors at this point.

I’m always frustrated about reports like this because I know that if I saw your profile I would instantly know why it wasn’t working. I seem to have a real knack for this. If I were a better businessman I could probably make serious bank just helping men refine their profiles to max effectiveness.

I want to say I’m sure you’re right, that for some men OLD won’t work, but I genuinely believe that 99.9% of men can do acceptably well with it if coached by an outsider with an objective eye.

 

[Atom Smasher]

@Atom Smasher very tempting stuff you wrote. But not everyone has 50 photos tonl select the best ones. If anything my best photo to date was during my wedding in 2014. At least there is no girl hungry eyes and I looked happy. If people take their "I am in a wretched dry spell" photos then all the photos would look a bit sad right?

I’m pretty sure everyone here has a cell phone with a camera in it. You could arrange to go somewhere with a friend who will snap away furiously until those couple of good shots appear. Gay-ish appearing I know but it would yield a couple of good photos.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I think it’s also true that most men daydream about having a woman who is way out of their league. It’s the analog ofshaking our heads when we see these fat women thinking they deserve a Chad.

That’s why I say get to looks-maxing and then set your sites realistically. Crawl before you walk. If you’re a 6, you’re likely envisioning yourself with a 9. Really? Turn yourself into a 7.5, and you will be able to eventually score an 8 or 8.5. As a 6 you can only score a 6 or lower.

Max out your looks and let your attitude do the rest. As I said above, women will believe about you that which you believe about yourself. Remember what I said about women doing an internal averaging calculation that lowers the spikes and softens the dips in her physical perception of you if you project character.

So many men pay no attention to presentation and daydream all day about that 8 or 9 they think they deserve. Don’t be like that chubby chick who is daydreaming about her Prince Charming.

Become a man who deserves that 8 or 9. Like I always say, if I did it, anyone can. I would have absolutely settled for a 6 or 7 woman of character. Little did I know that by turning myself into a strong man from a timid little boy that I would eventually score a 9 in both looks and personality.

 

[Atom Smasher]

I don't think even the most deluded PUA would tell their followers that 99% of them can do well at party with a 3 or 4-1 male/female ratio. women know this too, i have seen them design parties to create a more male than female situation, and refuse to go to parties with more women than men lol. they know.

Its not just about the male profile. You have to see the competition. There is no way in hell most guys can compete with the dumpster-diving men that women of our same SMV (or lower) can match with online. Luckily, real life is much more favorable.

A party and OLD are two entirely different things. The magic of OLD is that it is not a fluid environment and you have control of almost every aspect of it. It is SOOOO easy to stand out above the competition in OLD. Women are looking for substance and character when it comes to relationships. Just do what the competition is not doing. Show some depth and you’re already in the upper 5%. Show picky-ness and discrimination.

In your online profiles, did you convey that you are the chooser and that you expect a woman to meet your requirements, but express it in a gentlemanly way? Most men don’t even consider that attitude a possibility.

Women don’t find “equal to” or “less than” attractive. They get wet about “better than”. A profile MUST send a subtext that you’re not particularly interested in impressing her, but she’d better impress you. Most men wouldn’t even dream of projecting this, yet this is what pulls.

As always, my thoughts in this forum apply only to men who want a relationship. The smash and dash crowd will not benefit from some of my ramblings, but the relationship guys will.

 

[fastlife]

For me, I gave up on OLD when I started pulling girls IRL with very little effort who had swerved me on Tinder. I also encourage every guy who has female friends to ask to use their Tinder some time (say you want to scope out the competition and make it into a joke) and see what's out there. I swiped on my home girl's profile (she's probably a 5/6 at best) and literally every swipe was a match and message and guys would keep responding to the most inane bullsh1t. Just a very tough environment to stand out in vs. in person where she can experience your vibe, your eye contact, your tonality, and you can directly influence her emotions (plus, you're actually out living life).

If I wanted to use Tinder with any degree of consistency, I'd have to drastically lower my standards and date girls who were closer to my age (no thanks lol), and I'm a conventionally very good looking dude. But to each their own.

 

[christie]

You know how women's highest SMV is when she is up for casual sex? That is, she can shoot way above her league for casual sex. Often, this leads her to consciously or subconsciously believe that she is on that level.

I think for men, we observe that commitment is our highest SMV. Our casual sex partners are more discriminating, but gorgeous women will often date down in terms of looks if she can secure commitment. I think we accept that.

However, I think that our highest SMV is not actually permanent commitment, but temporary placeholder commitment. Short term relationships of up to 1-2 years. Rebounds, etc.

In this way, we are given false messaging about what our SMV actually is that is even more insidious than the blatantly false messaging women get by slvtting it up.

I think you're right.

So both genders could spend some time revisiting what is the messaging they are receiving that is steering their attraction.

Attraction is not inate.
Is not involuntary, but programmed.
(look at the indignancy at those quick-to-shoot-down the high selfesteems of those with yearnings to pairbond and not simply bed, with a mate several smv points above or below-----really, its just the ones above that trigger the most incongruent disbeliefs.) Imagine Atomsmasher was discouraged before he continued with selfimprovement? He may never have reached the level of successful improvement needed to serendipitously get his 9.5 fiance.

I could believe all this as readily as I believed that lack of attraction is inate and involuntary and independent of influences.

(what in the world influenced me to identify as asexual a few years ago? am I not anymore?)

 

[redskinsfan92]

You want it too much. If you would try again with the objective of having fun instead of getting pvssy, you would probably get both. The more you get laid, the less you care about any one woman, and women can sense that. My last old profile was like a stand up comedy routine or whatever satire persona I felt like being at the time. The less you care, the easier it is.

Lol, told you I've tried it all. Caring. Not caring. You have no recommendation I have not tried

 

[redskinsfan92]

I’m always frustrated about reports like this because I know that if I saw your profile I would instantly know why it wasn’t working. I seem to have a real knack for this. If I were a better businessman I could probably make serious bank just helping men refine their profiles to max effectiveness.

I want to say I’m sure you’re right, that for some men OLD won’t work, but I genuinely believe that 99.9% of men can do acceptably well with it if coached by an outsider with an objective eye.

Already shared it all at one point on this forum. You were on here.

So, it frustrates me to hear the same bs I heard 2 years ago that didn't work.

 

[SW15]

However, I think that our highest SMV is not actually permanent commitment, but temporary placeholder commitment. Short term relationships of up to 1-2 years. Rebounds, etc.

Over the years, my goal has been primarily medium term relationships around 2 years. I'll stay longer if it's good. I think I've been maxing out my SMV.

 

[coyote_astro]

Since we've been talking about OLD here, let me share what Todd has to say about it in this new video

My opinion is that he paints a more ideal picture of OLD than the one I've experienced, because he has a financial incentive. There's truth to his words though. I wanted to hear his opinion no matter what, as he's one of the few old school guys still active.

 

[Atom Smasher]

So, it frustrates me to hear the same bs I heard 2 years ago that didn't work.

For YOU. Perhaps your implementation was flawed and you’re unaware of some undesirable quality you project.