The real problem isn't OLD or Cold Approach, its you.

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The OP is absolutely correct when it comes to OLD. So many of you limit yourselves because you take too narrow a view.

I wish I could show you guys a picture of me and my fiancé. She is stunningly beautiful, looks 25 years younger than she is, and has a character that shines through even in pictures. I landed her through OLD.

I, on the other hand, am different. Some people need to be seen in 3 dimensions to be appreciated. I come across absolutely atrociously in pictures. There’s something about the reduction of a dimension that makes some people look bad.

To combat this, a man simply has to take more pictures until a few good ones appear. It might be a ratio of 50 bad ones to 1 good one.

Let’s say you finally come up with 2 or three pictures that are flattering to you. Post those along with a well thought-out profile that is specifically designed to eliminate women you don’t want, and attract the ones you want. You will come across as discriminating and in a position to choose, which is exactly how you should be anyway.

“But Uncle Atom, if I charm her with my initial writing and phone calls, when we finally meet she is bound to be disappointed with my looks.”

She might be, young grasshopper, but that’s where your personality comes in to play to correct this temporary dip in attraction level.

Here’s what will happen if she is disappointed in your real looks as compared to your ideal pictures: You will charm her with your personality, confidence, boldness, and body language. What will happen in her brain is that she will start to see you as that guy in the idealized pictures. She knows that you CAN look good, so she will view you in that idealized way.

What so many men fail to realize is that women’s perceptions are highly malleable. You can compensate for a shortfall in one area by excelling in another, and her brain will average out those qualities. If you’ve got a great personality, she will definitely make that mental adjustment to idealize your looks according to your pictures.

I recommend that you all cease to completely write off OLD, and instead create a quality, well thought-out profile (show that you have values, character and substance), find or create those 2 pictures out of 100, post them on an OLD site and then WAIT. Don’t approach women at all. Let them come to you. That’s what I did. I wrote a great profile (it took several days), found a couple of flattering pictures out of my many horrible ones, posted it all and went about my business.

Over the course of a few months, some extremely attractive women with great profiles contacted me. One of them stood out way above the others, and she eventually became my fiancé. And let me tell you guys... I am extraordinarily picky.

Zero sh!t tests, zero drama. Just support and affection and a desire to serve me.

Now you guys must be picturing your Uncle Atom as pretty ugly at this point. I would rate myself a 7 or 7.5, while my pictures bring me down to a 4 or 5 lol. The camera hates me. I do have an exceptionally young look which aids me tremendously.

So don’t use looks as an excuse. As I mentioned, even if you disappoint her when you meet her, you must understand that women will average out your qualities and soften the spikes and dips on her inner SMV chart.

Again, I’m addressing guys who are looking for a relationship. If you’re looking to smash and dash, then of course looks is paramount. If you’re looking for an attractive woman of character, try my formula. What have you got to lose? Your profile is floating out there like bait. Wait for the nibbles. They will come. What you will end up with is a small number of quality women to choose from. Don’t go for quantity. Go for quality. Filter out, exclude as many unqualified women as you can with your profile. The quality women who respond to your profile will regard looks as only part of the picture, and will definitely imagine you to look better than you actually do once her inner SMV adjustments kick in.

My fiancé keeps calling me “My Beautiful _Name_”. Insert my real name there. I’m ok looking objectively speaking, but to her I’m quite the prize looks-wise because I was able to average her view of me to a higher level based upon my many other qualities.

The takeaway: Women’s perceptions of looks are malleable and can be positively influenced by displaying a high level of character. The temporary dip in her attraction level when she first meets you (if you’re not that great-looking) can be neutralized if you know what you’re doing.

The most powerful influence on a woman is a man’s perception of himself. Women will believe about you that which you believe about yourself.
Some solid advice here! I personally know I need to upgrade the quality of my photos; currently they are not terrible but I can do better.

I totally agree about the elimination strategy in your bio. I have actually added a sentence
'I really hope you don't believe in astrology' and it has worked great! Literally 85% of my matches open me referring to that.
Make sure you put something you actually don't like and can chat about.

I first took that from RSDMax, who had suggested saying 'I really hope you are not fat'. That's a little more extreme, but I've been wondering if it could work as well :p
 
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of course everyone knows it works for some people lol. How is this news?
Problem is that you really need to be very very handsome to get results from it. That's only a few % of people unfortunately (assuming we're trying to bang the prettiest 18-22 year olds who care most about how you looks)

everyone should make a chadfish accounts using selfies from a good looking guy. Your head will spin lol. Mine did. You'll also have 700+ matches
 

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I would add too, if you message a woman say more than Hi or Hey there beautiful. They get soooooo much of those type messages they label you as uncreative and probably saying the same thing to 100 other girls and they ignore you. Talk about what you liked in their profile or things you notice you have in common and always ask a few questions so she has something to type back without having to think something up. Put forth some effort and most will appreciate that, some wont but thats ok, move on, dont dwell cause she didnt answer, you just werent her type or she has her plate full already
 

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I would add too, if you message a woman say more than Hi or Hey there beautiful. They get soooooo much of those type messages they label you as uncreative and probably saying the same thing to 100 other girls and they ignore you. Talk about what you liked in their profile or things you notice you have in common and always ask a few questions so she has something to type back without having to think something up. Put forth some effort and most will appreciate that, some wont but thats ok, move on, dont dwell cause she didnt answer, you just werent her type or she has her plate full already
Yes indeed. If they have a pet in their pics, an easy opener is to ask them about it or mention it. It means they love talking about it.
 

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The OP is absolutely correct when it comes to OLD. So many of you limit yourselves because you take too narrow a view.

I wish I could show you guys a picture of me and my fiancé. She is stunningly beautiful, looks 25 years younger than she is, and has a character that shines through even in pictures. I landed her through OLD.

I, on the other hand, am different. Some people need to be seen in 3 dimensions to be appreciated. I come across absolutely atrociously in pictures. There’s something about the reduction of a dimension that makes some people look bad.

To combat this, a man simply has to take more pictures until a few good ones appear. It might be a ratio of 50 bad ones to 1 good one.

Let’s say you finally come up with 2 or three pictures that are flattering to you. Post those along with a well thought-out profile that is specifically designed to eliminate women you don’t want, and attract the ones you want. You will come across as discriminating and in a position to choose, which is exactly how you should be anyway.

“But Uncle Atom, if I charm her with my initial writing and phone calls, when we finally meet she is bound to be disappointed with my looks.”

She might be, young grasshopper, but that’s where your personality comes in to play to correct this temporary dip in attraction level.

Here’s what will happen if she is disappointed in your real looks as compared to your ideal pictures: You will charm her with your personality, confidence, boldness, and body language. What will happen in her brain is that she will start to see you as that guy in the idealized pictures. She knows that you CAN look good, so she will view you in that idealized way.

What so many men fail to realize is that women’s perceptions are highly malleable. You can compensate for a shortfall in one area by excelling in another, and her brain will average out those qualities. If you’ve got a great personality, she will definitely make that mental adjustment to idealize your looks according to your pictures.

I recommend that you all cease to completely write off OLD, and instead create a quality, well thought-out profile (show that you have values, character and substance), find or create those 2 pictures out of 100, post them on an OLD site and then WAIT. Don’t approach women at all. Let them come to you. That’s what I did. I wrote a great profile (it took several days), found a couple of flattering pictures out of my many horrible ones, posted it all and went about my business.

Over the course of a few months, some extremely attractive women with great profiles contacted me. One of them stood out way above the others, and she eventually became my fiancé. And let me tell you guys... I am extraordinarily picky.

Zero sh!t tests, zero drama. Just support and affection and a desire to serve me.

Now you guys must be picturing your Uncle Atom as pretty ugly at this point. I would rate myself a 7 or 7.5, while my pictures bring me down to a 4 or 5 lol. The camera hates me. I do have an exceptionally young look which aids me tremendously.

So don’t use looks as an excuse. As I mentioned, even if you disappoint her when you meet her, you must understand that women will average out your qualities and soften the spikes and dips on her inner SMV chart.

Again, I’m addressing guys who are looking for a relationship. If you’re looking to smash and dash, then of course looks is paramount. If you’re looking for an attractive woman of character, try my formula. What have you got to lose? Your profile is floating out there like bait. Wait for the nibbles. They will come. What you will end up with is a small number of quality women to choose from. Don’t go for quantity. Go for quality. Filter out, exclude as many unqualified women as you can with your profile. The quality women who respond to your profile will regard looks as only part of the picture, and will definitely imagine you to look better than you actually do once her inner SMV adjustments kick in.

My fiancé keeps calling me “My Beautiful _Name_”. Insert my real name there. I’m ok looking objectively speaking, but to her I’m quite the prize looks-wise because I was able to average her view of me to a higher level based upon my many other qualities.

The takeaway: Women’s perceptions of looks are malleable and can be positively influenced by displaying a high level of character. The temporary dip in her attraction level when she first meets you (if you’re not that great-looking) can be neutralized if you know what you’re doing.

The most powerful influence on a woman is a man’s perception of himself. Women will believe about you that which you believe about yourself.
Literally tried everything you suggested already in the past. Had close to no success on OLD. I guarantee you haven't even put in the hours I have trying to succeed on OLD. It simply does not work for me. My time is much better spent on other endeavors at this point.
 

Create self-fulfilling prophecies. Always assume the positive. Assume she likes you. Assume she wants to talk to you. Assume she wants to go out with you. When you think positive, positive things happen.

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Trust me. I have tried everything for photos. EVERYTHING. You do not have a recommendation that I have not already tried.

This is not me asking for help. I've already done that. I'm saying empirical evidence proves OLD will never be an efficient pursuit for some men. There time is better spent on other avenues.
 
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Trust me. I have tried everything for photos. EVERYTHING. You do not have a recommendation that I have not already tried.
pictures don't really matter much.
You can do all kids of experiments yourself making fake profiles etc
I actually done this myself at one point with a few fake tinder accounts

It's a bit like realife, tbh; i.e - If she thinks you're hot, the other stuff isn't really a big deal. If she doesn't think you're hot, great photos (or 'game' as in cold approach) isn't gonna make much difference lol
 

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pictures don't really matter much.
You can do all kids of experiments yourself making fake profiles etc
I actually done this myself at one point with a few fake tinder accounts

It's a bit like realife, tbh; i.e - If she thinks you're hot, the other stuff isn't really a big deal. If she doesn't think you're hot, great photos (or 'game' as in cold approach) isn't gonna make much difference lol
Exactly
 

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well if you dont have much going on in the looks department theres not much you can do online or real life. If you're a 4 or 5 guy trying to get 6 -7s or 8 women you're gonna have a tough time of it, especially online. Gotta work the levels life dealt you and hope for a little luck.
I think as men get older its a bit more in their favor online if they have some looks and kept a decent shape, hair and teeth. Quality women are a bit harder to find tho.
 

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There's a trade off with it. You might be able to sit at home and swipe/message, but in exchange for that convenience, you get flakier and worse behaviors and usually worse outcomes.
This is very true, no high value woman would be on a dating site in the first place anyways since she gets enough attention in real life.

She probably thinks the same about the men on there, if he is so good why does he need to go online?

OLD also has horrible gender ratios, I wouldn't be surprised if men outnunber women 10:1 On OLD.
 

You essentially upped your VALUE in her eyes by showing her that, if she wants you, she has to at times do things that you like to do. You are SOMETHING after all. You are NOT FREE. If she wants to hang with you, it's going to cost her something — time, effort, money.

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well if you dont have much going on in the looks department theres not much you can do online or real life. If you're a 4 or 5 guy trying to get 6 -7s or 8 women you're gonna have a tough time of it, especially online. Gotta work the levels life dealt you and hope for a little luck.
I think as men get older its a bit more in their favor online if they have some looks and kept a decent shape, hair and teeth. Quality women are a bit harder to find tho.
Unless you are a 9 or 10 in the looks department as a man there is nothing to acheive online.
 

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I think as men get older its a bit more in their favor online if they have some looks and kept a decent shape, hair and teeth. Quality women are a bit harder to find tho.
How so? Allot of women profiles have cut offs as to how old of a guy they want. Also if you are not finacially established then that would even be worst if you are older.
 

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@Atom Smasher very tempting stuff you wrote. But not everyone has 50 photos tonl select the best ones. If anything my best photo to date was during my wedding in 2014. At least there is no girl hungry eyes and I looked happy. If people take their "I am in a wretched dry spell" photos then all the photos would look a bit sad right?
 

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Trust me. I have tried everything for photos. EVERYTHING. You do not have a recommendation that I have not already tried.

This is not me asking for help. I've already done that. I'm saying empirical evidence proves OLD will never be an efficient pursuit for some men. There time is better spent on other avenues.
Ditto here. All my improvements or onlinemaxxing happened on the mid to late 00s decade when I was yonger and before the modern smartphone and social media and swipe apps. If I failed to get great results then why try again now when its ten times worst?
 

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Trust me. I have tried everything for photos. EVERYTHING. You do not have a recommendation that I have not already tried.

This is not me asking for help. I've already done that. I'm saying empirical evidence proves OLD will never be an efficient pursuit for some men. There time is better spent on other avenues.
You want it too much. If you would try again with the objective of having fun instead of getting pvssy, you would probably get both. The more you get laid, the less you care about any one woman, and women can sense that. My last old profile was like a stand up comedy routine or whatever satire persona I felt like being at the time. The less you care, the easier it is.
 

Don't always be the one putting yourself out for her. Don't always be the one putting all the effort and work into the relationship. Let her, and expect her, to treat you as well as you treat her, and to improve the quality of your life.

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I, on the other hand, am different. Some people need to be seen in 3 dimensions to be appreciated. I come across absolutely atrociously in pictures. There’s something about the reduction of a dimension that makes some people look bad.
I have that problem lol. I'm just not very photogenic. I look okay in the mirror but I can't remember the last time I had a photo of me that I liked.
 

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This is very true, no high value woman would be on a dating site in the first place anyways since she gets enough attention in real life.

She probably thinks the same about the men on there, if he is so good why does he need to go online?

OLD also has horrible gender ratios, I wouldn't be surprised if men outnunber women 10:1 On OLD.
Not necessarily true about high value women and OLD - But most certainly true about male to female ratios.

Before there was an internet I worked for the company that owned Lavalife when it was telephone based and at that time only the men paid for the service.

Many women complain about the unwanted attention and awkwardness of men out there these days and looks has nothing to do with it.

At least with OLD an attractive high-value woman can safely pick, choose and refuse for herself.
 

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Agree with this, I'm a 7. I'll say this, if you went to Harvard or Yale or work for a big fortune 500 company and put it in your profile, you can do ok just based on that esp with foreign women.
You mean a 7 with a "dry spell" look. What you suggest would only attract gold-diggers, why would anyone want to do that?
 

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I have no idea what "dry spell look" means. Women that appreciate success, like asian women for example, like education and hard work. We do talk about social status favorably here.
I'm referring to @Bible_Belt post, he's experienced success in online dating and doesn't have any emphasis on any social status. People like him know how to use the internet to get girls because he is not thirsty.
 
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