The REAL Importance of Money in Game

[BeTheChange]

Money is less useful a tool, now more than ever because:

1. Women can achieve a good standard of living without men. On average women actually outearn men in their 20s.
2. The government ensures a basic minimum living standard, with many benefits in practice exclusive to women

These two factors mean that Joe Average is SOL as money only becomes useful at the extremes. The best way to understand this is to think about it in terms of the marginal benefit of each dollar earned (if you don't know what marginal benefit means google it). Look at which bracket you fall in and whether moving to the next bracket is a realistic or valuable aim. If not, better to focus on other areas.

$0 - $50,000

High marginal benefit. Having no income vs making enough to get by ($25,000 - $50,000 depending on location) will make a MASSIVE difference to your ability to game women. If you can't make enough to sustain yourself it will most likely floor your confidence and make gaming difficult. Dating might be a possibility but holding on to a half decent chick in the medium to long term will be a challenge.


$50,000 - $150,000

Low marginal benefit. Unless you want to bleed your bank account dry the list of things you can offer a woman, that she can't already get for herself is miniscule. Focusing on game and looks will make a much bigger difference here. Spending $300 on a few outfits that fit well, a haircut that brings out your best features and a gym membership will go a lot further than a $6,000 Rolex on your wrist.


$150,000 - $350,000

Moderate marginal benefit. This is where things get interesting. At this point you have enough money to afford success indicators. You can hire a nutritionist, personal trainer and eat the best food to stay healthy, lean and clear skinned. You can dress very well. All of which allow you to maximise your looks.

You can date multiple women and spend (what they would consider) generous amounts and if done in the right way comes across as fun and carefree rather than provider-esque. You can travel in style. You can afford the type of car that actually make women take notice. And you can do all these things while still saving money each month. There is a certain intangible confidence that comes from this.


$350,000+

High marginal benefit. You've arrived. Most women will rarely meet a guy who can offer the kind of lifestyle that making this kind of money gives you. And of those who can, most are married with kids. This is the case even in places like NYC, LA or London.

Unless you have next to no time to game women or are extremely ugly / socially awkward you will pull 8s and 9s with ease.

I've been to enough clubs to know that ostentatious displays of wealth, handled in the right way absolutely get a woman interested, but they have to be backed up by substance. Ordering sparkly bottles won't keep a HB9 interested if you take her back to your crummy apartment after. A bentley parked outside will.


As always there are exceptions but I believe the above applies to the vast majority of post college men and women.

 

[Urbanyst]

Not true.

You usually need to be making more money than the woman you're dating if you want her to respect you. Otherwise, she sees herself as higher on the food chain than you.

The more money you make, the more women you will meet with a lower income than yourself. So to say money only matters in extreme cases is totally false.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Interesting. Obviously an older dude is gonna be richer than some young guy, but I haven't quite seen a woman locking arms with a 65 year old man while she's in her 20s. The thing is, you need to make money, and you need to make it fast yet still have the free time to be able to gout and enjoy yourself. The only problem I see here is that it doesn't say what the costs of making that much money is (the cost of making money, who would have thought?).

Everyone I know who makes over 350k a year works so incredibly much they have no free time for most of the year. Shoot, most people I know who make 150k-350k have almost no free time. It's wake up, go to work, and go home and sleep. What is the point of making money if you cannot enjoy it?

Now about the 'money matters' debate—it matters on a person to person aspect. Not on the man to woman aspect.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Not true.

You usually need to be making more money than the woman you're dating if you want her to respect you. Otherwise, she sees herself as higher on the food chain than you.

The more money you make, the more women you will meet with a lower income than yourself. So to say money only matters in extreme cases is totally false.

You don't need to be making more money per se, you just need to better than or equal to her. Whether or not the deciding factor is money is negligible.

 

[guru1000]

Strong post BTC: I will add a simple qualifier:

In the highest income bracket, if you are also good-looking, super fit, with ostensible game, many 7s, some 8s, and a few 9s will blow you out as they know your value clearly exceeds theirs, ergo you can't be trusted to stick around. This leaves you with 9s with strong self confidence (which is less common as most 9s are insecure having based their value on mountains of free validation as opposed to hard work), gold-diggers (whom I'm disqualify from the start), or the in-betweens (9s who don't straight gold-dig but who want a nice lifestyle, don't mind if you cheat on them, but bring nothing to the table other than looks).

 

[Tenacity]

Most of the theories in this thread make absolutely no sense lol.

Money is less useful a tool, now more than ever because:
Women can achieve a good standard of living without men. On average women actually outearn men in their 20s.
The government ensures a basic minimum living standard, with many benefits in practice exclusive to women
These two factors mean that Joe Average is SOL as money only becomes useful at the extremes.

Women are not outearning men though, so that's incorrect. Women are indeed earning a living now, but in general, men still outearn women.

Money is USEFUL in that cost of living is continuing to go up, the job market is retarded, and building a retirement nest egg is harder than ever before (for a variety of reasons, including passive investments being destroyed by the Fed).

The best way to understand this is to think about it in terms of the marginal benefit of each dollar earned (if you don't know what marginal benefit means google it). Look at which bracket you fall in and whether moving to the next bracket is a realistic or valuable aim. If not, better to focus on other areas.

So $0 - $50,000 has a higher marginal benefit than $50,000 - $150,000 and
$150,000 - $350,000? And this makes sense in what world?

$350,000+

High marginal benefit. You've arrived. Most women will rarely meet a guy who can offer the kind of lifestyle that making this kind of money gives you. And of those who can, most are married with kids. This is the case even in places like NYC, LA or London.

0.5% of all individual income earners in the United States of America make $350,000 plus a year. So in order for you to "arrive", you have to be better than 99.5% of all individual income earners? You can't even make a PLAN to reach $350,000 a year in income, people that reach that level are usually a part of exclusive networks.

What kind of B.S. is this lol?

This is the same guy who talks about me reaching my $200k plus net worth is "piker level", but according to his "journal", he doesn't even have a $100k net worth yet.

Guys here's the thing with finances, strive to be middle class, period. Middle class is living in a low or average cost of living area and making around $40,000 per year as an individual. If you live in a higher cost of living area, you need to make a bit more to be middle class. The middle class range (for low-average cost of living areas) is about $40,000 - $90,000 per year. STRIVE to get this to level and manage your expenses properly to where you can put away at least $10,000 per year into solid passive investments like an S&P 500 and Total Bond Index Fund.

That is having good finances. You don't need to get to $350,000 to "arrive". That's just more bullshyt coming from BeTheChange and Guru, the two snakoil salesmen of Sosuave. Soon they will be telling you how flipping Real Estate and Day Trading is the only way to go.

 

[BeTheChange]

Most of the theories in this thread make absolutely no sense lol.



Women are not outearning men though, so that's incorrect. Women are indeed earning a living now, but in general, men still outearn women.

Money is USEFUL in that cost of living is continuing to go up, the job market is retarded, and building a retirement nest egg is harder than ever before (for a variety of reasons, including passive investments being destroyed by the Fed).



So $0 - $50,000 has a higher marginal benefit than $50,000 - $150,000 and
$150,000 - $350,000? And this makes sense in what world?



0.5% of all individual income earners in the United States of America make $350,000 plus a year. So in order for you to "arrive", you have to be better than 99.5% of all individual income earners? You can't even make a PLAN to reach $350,000 a year in income, people that reach that level are usually a part of exclusive networks.

What kind of B.S. is this lol?

This is the same guy who talks about me reaching my $200k plus net worth is "piker level", but according to his "journal", he doesn't even have a $100k net worth yet.

Guys here's the thing with finances, strive to be middle class, period. Middle class is living in a low or average cost of living area and making around $40,000 per year as an individual. If you live in a higher cost of living area, you need to make a bit more to be middle class. The middle class range (for low-average cost of living areas) is about $40,000 - $90,000 per year. STRIVE to get this to level and manage your expenses properly to where you can put away at least $10,000 per year into solid passive investments like an S&P 500 and Total Bond Index Fund.

That is having good finances. You don't need to get to $350,000 to "arrive". That's just more bullshyt coming from BeTheChange and Guru, the two snakoil salesmen of Sosuave. Soon they will be telling you how flipping Real Estate and Day Trading is the only way to go.

FWIW my net worth has an estimated value of c. $125,000 and climbing, increasing from negative $20,000 to its current value in just over 2 years. I'm also five/six years your junior and have significantly more earning potential. But have fun with your 5% annual returns and your $40,000 a year middle class salary.

Anyway, this thread is about the usefulness of money as it pertains to getting women. No one is saying money isn't useful for other things. Stay on topic piker.

 

[EyeBRollin]

Money is indirectly related to getting women for other reasons. Money is just a point system, folks. It keeps score in society.

Women are attracted to confidence, security, and social status, all things that move in lockstep with wealth and / or earning potential.

Money can buy you gold diggers, high class hookers, and a the best divorce lawyers around (you'll need em!). It doesn't necessarily increase your chances of finding a good woman.

 

[Roober]

I get what your saying, but your numbers a bit skewed. Making 100k+ is a good income in most areas to live comfortably and spend freely. I would put the high marginal benefit at around 200k+. You could easily afford a 100k car payment, a nice house, and have plenty left over for fun.

 

[EyeBRollin]

That is having good finances. You don't need to get to $350,000 to "arrive". That's just more bullshyt coming from BeTheChange and Guru, the two snakoil salesmen of Sosuave. Soon they will be telling you how flipping Real Estate and Day Trading is the only way to go.

Your post is spot on, but note that game is being a snake oil salesmen. You're selling to women. The best salesmen usually have the best game. Food for thought.

 

[bigneil]

Interesting. Obviously an older dude is gonna be richer than some young guy, but I haven't quite seen a woman locking arms with a 65 year old man while she's in her 20s. The thing is, you need to make money, and you need to make it fast yet still have the free time to be able to gout and enjoy yourself. The only problem I see here is that it doesn't say what the costs of making that much money is (the cost of making money, who would have thought?).

Everyone I know who makes over 350k a year works so incredibly much they have no free time for most of the year. Shoot, most people I know who make 150k-350k have almost no free time. It's wake up, go to work, and go home and sleep. What is the point of making money if you cannot enjoy it?

Now about the 'money matters' debate—it matters on a person to person aspect. Not on the man to woman aspect.

Wait, you say you're 17 and yet you know several people who make more than $350K per year? I'm 46 and I don't know anyone making that much besides me.

The point of making money that you can't enjoy is to retire later.

 

[Reykhel]

Wait, you say you're 17 and yet you know several people who make more than $350K per year? I'm 46 and I don't know anyone making that much besides me.

The point of making money that you can't enjoy is to retire later.

He probably knows more people than you do given he puts importance into having a social life, whereas you don't put importance into
a social life or having friends according to your posts.

A lot of people are starting to wake up to the "kill yourself working while your young so you have three million in the bank when you retire at 60 mentality". Given a lot of people are either in ill health or haven't got the legs or the stamina to enjoy their retirement like they would like to. There's a balance to be had.

 

[guru1000]

Your post is spot on, but note that game is being a snake oil salesmen. You're selling to women. The best salesmen usually have the best game. Food for thought.

I disagree. Snake-oil salesman implies underhanded contrivances to deceive your subject(s). These days, I'm straightforward with my approach to all.

Value does all the talking. And extreme value means you will have many haters and those who attempt to undermine. This is good.

 

[Tenacity]

FWIW my net worth has an estimated value of c. $125,000 and climbing, increasing from negative $20,000 to its current value in just over 2 years.

Let's just look at how this guy lies for a minute.......

You literally just stated the following in your "journal" about a week ago:

IF this deal does end up providing the value that is projected then it will see me hitting a six figure net worth...crazy when you think that in January 2015 I was living in my overdraft and had about $20,000 worth of debt. .

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/thread...ing-ones-potential.239799/page-2#post-2423939

So you just stated that you won't hit a six figure net worth unless your project comes through, now you are saying you already hit the six figure net worth? Did this happen within a week?

And it's also funny how you claim now in January 2015, you were living on overdraft with $20,000 worth of DEBT, when in various threads like this one below, you claimed in 2015 you were working in the Investment Banking Sector with a ROLODEX of high net worth clients, making well over $90,000 - $100,000 per year:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/taking-the-plunge-new-business.228522/

So you just lie, lie, lie, and lie your god damn a.ss off. And for what? For what fvcking reason?

I'm also five/six years your junior and have significantly more earning potential.

You don't have shyt. All you have is the c0cked up, imaginary, bullshyt that you post on Sosuave to entertain your "audience".

But have fun with your 5% annual returns and your $40,000 a year middle class salary.

I make way more than $40,000 and don't shyt on $40,000 because that's probably MORE than your broke a.ss makes right now.

Liars can never keep their stories straight, thank God for the search/post history tab on here. You can easily just do a quick search and reveal these liars for exactly what they are.........LIARS.

 

[EyeBRollin]

I disagree. Snake-oil salesman implies underhanded contrivances to deceive your subject(s). These days, I'm straightforward with my approach to all.

Value does all the talking. And extreme value means you will have many haters and those who attempt to undermine. This is good.

Touche. The point was to master the art of selling. If someone I'm not even selling to called me a snake oil salesmen, I'd take it as a compliment in that context.

 

[homie]

Why you keep posting about money every day?

 

[BeTheChange]

I get what your saying, but your numbers a bit skewed. Making 100k+ is a good income in most areas to live comfortably and spend freely. I would put the high marginal benefit at around 200k+. You could easily afford a 100k car payment, a nice house, and have plenty left over for fun.

True. You can probably apply a 30/40% discount to those numbers if you're living in a low cost area. The problem is out of NYC, L.A., etc. opportunities to make > $150k are far less prevalent.

 

[Solomon]

Most of the theories in this thread make absolutely no sense lol.


hat is having good finances. You don't need to get to $350,000 to "arrive". That's just more bullshyt coming from BeTheChange and Guru, the two snakoil salesmen of Sosuave. Soon they will be telling you how flipping Real Estate and Day Trading is the only way to go.

Lmfaooooo. I know a guy that bangs 7-9s regularly doesn't even sniff 50K a year. He's got great aesthitcs and solid game.

 

[BeTheChange]

Let's just look at how this guy lies for a minute.......

You literally just stated the following in your "journal" about a week ago:



http://www.sosuave.net/forum/thread...ing-ones-potential.239799/page-2#post-2423939

So you just stated that you won't hit a six figure net worth unless your project comes through, now you are saying you already hit the six figure net worth? Did this happen within a week?

And it's also funny how you claim now in January 2015, you were living on overdraft with $20,000 worth of DEBT, when in various threads like this one below, you claimed in 2015 you were working in the Investment Banking Sector with a ROLODEX of high net worth clients, making well over $90,000 - $100,000 per year:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/threads/taking-the-plunge-new-business.228522/

So you just lie, lie, lie, and lie your god damn a.ss off. And for what? For what fvcking reason?



You don't have shyt. All you have is the c0cked up, imaginary, bullshyt that you post on Sosuave to entertain your "audience".



I make way more than $40,000 and don't shyt on $40,000 because that's probably MORE than your broke a.ss makes right now.

Liars can never keep their stories straight, thank God for the search/post history tab on here. You can easily just do a quick search and reveal these liars for exactly what they are.........LIARS.

Lol. Looks like you've been triggered. And yes it did happen in a week since the estate agent valued the property with only the cosmetic changes now needed. Of course the work itself has been going since January but you knew that right? Why are you so mad?

I don't see how being in $20k debt is inconsistent with gaining some great clients over the years nor making decent money given I'm living in one of the most expensive cities in the world. Besides, how do you think I saved up enough money to have claim over approx $500,000 (current estimated value) of real estate in two years genius? Don't worry. I'll wait.

The funny thing is I can directly verify everything I say. Can you? Tell us about this $200k net worth of yours...as far as I'm concerned it doesn't exist. As you demand proof, provide it. Ah. You can't because your "net worth" is basically your "book of clients" (i.e. made up and plucked out of thin air) It would certainly explain why you're such a piker.

 

[bigneil]

He probably knows more people than you do given he puts importance into having a social life, whereas you don't put importance into
a social life or having friends according to your posts.

A lot of people are starting to wake up to the "kill yourself working while your young so you have three million in the bank when you retire at 60 mentality". Given a lot of people are either in ill health or haven't got the legs or the stamina to enjoy their retirement like they would like to. There's a balance to be had.

At my peak I was earning $2000 a day working from home, making my own hours. I had a lot of deadlines, but I enjoy what I do, so my life was a breeze. I would prefer to work than not work, even if I were independently wealthy. The idea that we have to work harder to earn more is false. You want to work smarter.

That said: ImTheDoubleGreatest - please outline 3 people you know who earn $350,000 per year and what they do to earn it.