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The problem with "choosing signals"

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Whatever man.... Keep picking on the borderline retarded if it makes you feel more like a player...
The universe doesn't care about the "retards"
It doesn't care about the poor, the handicap ect the universe doesn't care so neither should we.

No need to put them down but no need to feel sorry for them either.

Like I said earlier, only the strong survive.
Survival of the fittest.
 

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why would I waste my time worrying about someone who has showed disinterest wether actively or indirectly?
Idk, because you want to fvck the most attractive woman in the bar--who's probably at a table surrounded by orbiters and gfs--instead of settling on whatever chooses you? To have agency?

Me trying to show her what I'm about is essentially me trying to earn her.
if you're not getting choosing signals why not raise your smv?

not every man is going to be a 10 but there's always room for improvement.
If you really want to date hot women you should put effort into your raising your SMV , there's no excuse for not wanting to improve your life , even outside of dating.
Make it make sense. So running your mouth for 5 to 15 minutes until you get a girl to show interest is earning her, but spending years (sometimes) to get a great job or a great body (which the hot girl probably doesn't even care about cause she's surrounded by guys who dunk on you by societal measures) isn't? Lol

I've had a girl tell me once "you're the one who approached me " the second I began to rebel on her bullsh1t , because she had the leverage ,it wasn't mutual


Oh no, one girl sh1t tested you and you didn't know how to pass it. Let's just scrap this whole cold approach thing.

I've fvcked chicks with 50 or lower percent interest ,but it took longer
50% lol? You either have compliance or you don't--and you can either demonstrate qualities that raise compliance or you can't. And that doesn't have to take a long time. I'm almost exclusively same night. Ya some girls might take 3 hrs vs 20 mins--just like you have to practice longer to shoot 3s than you would to make layups and you might miss more than the dude who only shoots layups--but who cares at that point? I'd rather spend 3 hrs on the girl I really want than dip out with whatever decides I'm the best they're doing that night.

"confidence comes from within" no tf it doesn't lol
Confidence comes from having repeated success , not repeated failures or rejections.
Nah. It's not that binary. Confidence leads to achievements which leads to confidence which leads to achievements. Obviously past success helps--until your ego's so invested in past success that you're too afraid to roll up on the hottest girl at the bar because her back might be too you lol. And the most successful people usually face the most rejection and the most failure and remain confident in spite of that--read the biography of literally anyone worthwhile lol.

Rediculous. By ingnoring this essential skill you are killing your success rate. Learn body language skills. All it takes is a brief encounter. So why **** on the "read" take it with you.
Show me where I advised anyone to ignore body language lol. I'm just saying that you can roll up on girls who aren't conveying initial interest and still make things happens a good % of the time--so why worry about that waiting for that initial interest?

Also, note to the viewers at home, when guys start throwing around words like "autistic" and "retard" and "only the strong survive" you know they're losing the argument.
 

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I wouldn't call it a passive mindset.
I would. It's like waiting for the perfect job to recruit you instead of applying to the ones you want. I roll with naturals all the time--guys that get laid plenty but who rely on waiting for choosing signals. I'm fvcking hotter girls.

If the hottest women give the least obvious interest, that can be problematic.
This is true almost across the board--almost everyone in the "community" who actually goes out and approaches has noted this. If they didn't have higher barriers to entry they'd literally be incessantly bombarded with so much male attention they wouldn't be able to function and all the guys they fvcked would be needy, clingy, insecure, etc. since they didn't even have the self-belief to roll up on her. (Also, almost everyone exaggerates the hotness of the girls they fvck--I've hung out with wayyy too many "wait for choosing signals" guys and seen what "chooses" them; there's a definite ceiling).

At that time, I preferred waiting for signals and he spam approached.
It's not binary. I definitely pay attention to body-language pre-approach. I said as much earlier in this thread. I don't spam anymore because I don't need to--but I also don't wait for IOIs--because I don't need to. But I learned infinitely more from spamming--which I did do for a couple years--than I did in my late teens/early 20s when I had to wait for girls to show interest before leading things forward. I've fvcked girls who I was convinced hated me right up until the point I was undressing them.

My take on it: Approach the girls YOU want--and let the chips fall wherever. If you get eye contact from the girl YOU want, great. If you don't, it doesn't mean she's not sexually available.

Meh. If they are talking to their friends, how serious are they about meeting men?
It doesn't matter. "Talking to my friends" is her frame. "Taking her home" is mine. Strongest frame wins. I never tracked stats, but vast, vast, vast majority of my bar pulls were girls who were talking to other people, sometimes other guys. Doesn't matter (tho obviously logistics and group management do). I've never lived in a city where hot girls who were 18-22ish went out solo.


See who returns your body language. I have found most women ignore strong eye contact and a smile. Lower SMV does mean fewer signals.
I've never been much of a daygamer, but the hottest girl I've ever pulled from DG (not technically a pull cause we met up later cause I was on my way somewhere) was literally walking from the bank to her car with her back facing me. Didn't matter, I just rolled in and assumed that she liked me. And I prefer to get eye contact pre-approach, but that's not always possible, and it doesn't really matter. What matters is what happen after you open your mouth.

Approaching women who give good IOIs will reduce the number of uncomfortable approaches.
So will social calibration. Tho initially you will weird a lot of girls out, that shouldn't be happening vast, vast majority of the time.

Even my 6'4" ex athlete friend (some might have called him Chad-ish) had many uncomfortable approaches because he spam approached.
So did I when I was starting out--doesn't really happen if your vibe and delivery are on point and you're reacting to their feedback--you startle the girl, step back, smile, palms up, say some sh1t that forces her to chase. Worst case scenario is typically, "Oh, we have to go to the bathroom" after a minute or two. Cya (granted vast, vast majority of my approaches have been in bars and clubs, where that behavior is expected and normalized--on the street, I'm typically a little more circumspect.
 

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How would you have passed it? Not criticizing, just seizing an opportunity for a schooling.
I've never gotten that particular one, except when girls ask me to buy them drinks and I tell them no, which is really just a sh1t test as well. In those cases, I usually like, "Girl, you suck at this. There's literally hundreds of thirsty fvckers who are just hoping for the chance to buy you a drink--and you're asking me?" Sometimes I'll be like, "Watch this" and open some dude beside us and intro them and tell buddy it's her birthday. Sometimes I'll go into some spiel about how fvcked up it is that most guys buy girls drinks to manipulate them into sleeping them because they're so pathetic they don't even feel like they deserve the girls attention without bribing them and I like girls who like me for me. Neither of those work 100% of the time--some girls, even ones that open you or throw massive IOIs, are really just trolling for drinks--their loss; but I'd guess that those work for me well over 60%-70% of the time

My guess is he got it because he wasn't leading the convo or engaging her emotions--or, since she wasn't conveying interest, he didn't feel entitled and came across as uncertain in his body language. Easiest solution is to just do all those things on the front end so that she's not even thinking about how her drink is empty.

If I just got that out of the blue, I'd probably shrug and look bored (which with the right body language pretty much passes all of them). Maybe close space and say, "And what are you gonna do about it?" Hold tension and swap out to another topic that would engage her emotions and lead the convo where I want it to go.

(Also, I personally think qualification (nonjudgmental, open-minded, fun, spontaneous, wild, etc.) + sexualization are the two most important components of game. If you're forcing girls to qualify, they're usually too busy trying to prove their value to question yours. If you're sexualizing, they're usually too engaged in the convo to question your value. Plus, both of those show girls what you're about. You really shouldn't have girls sh1t testing all that hard. Body language + eye contact + tonality/volume are also hugely important as far as how girls respond to you--if you're getting blown out or knee-jerk bad reactions it's usually one of those 3 things.)

EDIT--I've also been having this argument since at least 2016? Lol. Think I've pretty much said my part but if anyone wants any clarification or comes out with any real argument that's based in real life experience--instead of the same fear-based rationalizations, justifications, or projections--happy to respond.
 

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Is what exactly?

What's wrong with scanning for choosing signals? When you want something too much , you end up ruining it. Has she done any casual flirting, touching or anything that says she may be interested? If the answer is no , then why bother? She probably isn't sexually or Romantically attracted to you .

You can still try anyway and I wouldn't hate you for doing it. Maybe she's conservative and doesn't send out choosing signals or maybe she feels like she doesn't have to
After enough experience, it's old hate. I know what attraction is. Sometimes, it's passive or other times it's overt. Irrelevant. I shoot my shot just cause. Modern women are a dumpster fire. Ran through and ****ed up. She could false accusation Chad or Tyrone for not getting the ring.

Fellas should exercise common sense. The IOIs and choosing signals were coined by men because we know female nature. False accusations are biblical. Women have been playing that game for thousands of years.

Today it's even more absurd. For noobs and fellas with wackkkk game, they really need you exercise common sense and not do any wackkkk ****.
 

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Make it make sense. So running your mouth for 5 to 15 minutes until you get a girl to show interest is earning her, but spending years (sometimes) to get a great job or a great body (which the hot girl probably doesn't even care about cause she's surrounded by guys who dunk on you by societal measures) isn't? Lol
If hot women don't care about looks how come online dating is so detrimental?
It's not all about looks but once you get the looks down you're able to practice more on your game which is still important
Forget about women for a second , why would you want to walk around with a low smv regardless?
When your SMV is raised, everybody treats you better
 

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How did you interact with them?
Gonna keep this stupid vague, cause I don't wanna be doxxed or have some girl randomly find this and recognize herself. Most obvious example was super early in my game journey--I'd slept with some hot girls but only ones that showed obvious interest and helped lead interactions towards sex (minus one who became my ex). Girl from social circle at a house party. Wouldn't make eye contact. Wouldn't engage much in conversation. Would constantly triangulate. Only girl there so I just kept trying different sh1t I'd read online or stuff that'd worked for me in the past. Ended up sleeping adjacent to each other in the living room. She pretended to be asleep. I said fvck it and started talking to her. She wasn't asleep. Tried to get her over to my side of the living room. She wouldn't budge. Grabbed her wrist at one point and saw here eyes light up but was too noob to interpret that as meaningful interest--only IOI in probably 5 hrs. She left the next day, thought she hated me. She told my buddy she liked me and I was like, the fvck she does. Hit her up on SM; chatted a day or two; invited myself over when I was near her city. Cold, standoffish, literally sat on the floor across the room from me. Told her "Come here." "Why?" "Because I said so." She did, ended up carrying her to her bedroom. We were off and on for most of 3 yrs--messy cause I didn't know how to handle non-exclusive frame and it was long distance.

A more recent example was a girl who was talking to her friend across the bar so didn't see me until I rolled in. I was off so it wasn't a smooth open, but I just kept running my mouth. Very lackluster interaction. But eventually I was like, "Oh ****, she's still here" and moved her. Started finding my rhythm. Frames and sexualization. She's following my lead. Moved her again. Realized she was kinda recoiling from my touch. Stopped touching her. Moved her again. So tons of compliance, even though the girl wouldn't let me touch her. Tried to pull. Wouldn't pull. Running my mouth. Eventually vibe gets weird and she dips out to go to the bathroom--read it as a rejection. Talk with my friends. She walks by. Stop her, intro her to my friends, pull her for food. Back to the apt. Don't want to go into too many details, but extremely inexperienced--what I interpreted as disinterest (and I've been doing this a loooong) time, was really just uncertainty and maybe a little bit of fear.

But there's soooo many examples over the yrs. Again, don't like to be specific with girls I've fvcked or interactions where I use staple lines that the people who know me have probably heard me use 100000x (I'm deep undercover IRL with the game sh1t). Here's an example from one of my FRs of a near-pull that fell apart at the last second but where the girl I liked (I give her a hard 8--so hot enough to not look out of place on Dan Bilzerian's IG when he was in his IG prime)--wasn't about me at all up until I reached the hook point--bounced her and her friend to another bar shortly after this excerpt but by then she was conveying obvious interest (as a result of me forcing her to qualify by breaking rapport initially and just assuming the position of higher value--recently I've found other hooks that like better, but don't want them floating around the internet cause everyone who rolls with me hears me use them):

This venue’s not much better. On my initial lap, I take note of a dark-haired girl in a seated 4 set (? – can’t quite tell) at the corner of the bar. Two guys, two girls. Chode out on my initial approach and walk past them to the back patio. Hit my vape for a sec. We head back inside. I post up on the wall behind them and chat with my wing, keeping an eye on the dynamics between the guys and the girls in the group. One of the guys is keeping to himself; the other, a short, jacked dude with a red hat, knows the girls but seems pretty ungrounded. My girl, especially, seems pretty bleh’ed out by him. He peels off for a second to talk to his boy.

At the same time, dark-haired girl and her friend (6ish) start jumping up and down. So I roll in and open them from behind but angled closer to the girl I want (who, conveniently, was farther from the red hat guy).

“You two guys are the most excited people in here.” Breaking rapport.

“We are excited. It’s my birthday,” says the 6.

“Happy birthday.” Hug the friend. Start talking at them. Nothing special, literally just running my mouth. Think I say something about, “Why are you in a country bar? If it was my birthday, I’d be blah blah blah.” Birthday girl is happy for the attention; my girl is hot girl blasé and will only look at me out of the corner of her eye occasionally. But I’m standing hella close and she doesn’t flinch when I touch her shoulder a couple times conversationally—so I at least have an audition lol. Somewhere in all this, wing enters set on the birthday girl.

I’m out of state, so I’m pretty choppy—every line comes out about half a second slower than it should and there are some noticeable pauses in between the exchange below where I just fall back on eye contact:

To my girl: “It’s your friend’s birthday. Why are you over here hiding in the ****ing corner.”

“Wha-Well, there’s all those people over there.”

“What?”—like this is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard in my life.

“No, all the people are over there and there’s nobody over here.”

“Antisocial. I’ve never seen you here before.“

Small spike. She explains that she never goes out. A little small talk that I can tell isn’t moving things anywhere. Shots arrive for the birthday girl. Birthday girl accuses my girl of trying to take the bigger one.

“She did. I totally saw her. She swapped them.” To my girl, “That’s ****ed up, taking the bigger shot on your friend’s birthday.”

Birthday girl downs hers. They don’t have salt for my girl (tequila), so she can’t take her shot.

“Tequila. You’re crazy.”

She explains that she doesn’t usually drink tequila, but her friend wanted to drink it. She explains that her friend is already drunk. Social hook point.

“So you’re babysitting.”

She thinks about it. “Yeah, I’m just really protective. My friend said that she was just gonna have a couple drinks but she’s already had 7.” She talks a little more. Starts making more solid eye contact.

“You were totally the little emo girl in high school.”

Here she spikes hard and qualifies. “No, why would you say that?”

“Oh, so you were the preppy—”

“Noo-o“

“What?”

“Well, I just did my own thing.”

Pull her in. “You were totally the little girl smoking cigarettes outside by the bus loop.”

Spike. “Yes!! I do smoke cigarettes, actually.”

“Such a little badass.” Pause—stare her down.

“I am a badass.”

“You’re the girl that all the guys think is all sweet and innocent, but you’re a total heartbreaker.”

“No, I’m actually the one who always gets my heart broken…Wait, what makes you think I was emo?”

“Black hair. Black shirt. Black eyelashes.”

Spike. “They’re real!!”
 

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If hot women don't care about looks how come online dating is so detrimental?
Don't know, don't use it. Really hot girls aren't on there anyway unless it's to plug their IG or OF (every guy I know who uses OLD IRL bangs 5s, 6s, some 7s, and maybe an 8 when he gets really, really super lucky and usually ends up with a fvcked up self-image as well as skewed perception of female hotness that's bound by rationalizations of what's attainable to him and what he feels entitled to--but I'm sure there are exceptions). Most girls keep their default age set to end at 25 or w/e, so non-starter for me.

It's not all about looks but once you get the looks down you're able to practice more on your game which is still important
You look exactly the same whether a girl makes eye contact with you pre-approach or plays with her hair or w/e or you tap her on the shoulder when she's standing at the bar.

Forget about women for a second , why would you want to walk around with a low smv regardless?
When your SMV is raised, everybody treats you better
This has nothing to do with anything. I have a high SMV (tho mostly looks and status in groups where I was already established--took me much longer to learn how to establish status wherever I am, mostly thru subcomms and getting ppl to qualify, very little money thru the peak of my game career)--I got blown tf for months when I first started cold approaching. But once I learned some verbal game, practiced my subcomms, practiced my tonality, etc., I got better results and more consistent results than I did before when I relied on IOIs and social circle. I also know guys IRL who don't have high SMV--if you're defining SMV by looks, money, status--both naturals and from the community who fvck way out of their league--again just with verbal game, subcomms, and being proactive. Ofc looks, money, status helps but behavior + game trumps those by a wide margin (until you start getting into celebrity or minor celebrity status). I know dozens of good looking, jacked, and/or rich dudes who don't fvck at all or fvck "age appropriate" women or girls who are way below what they should be able to get--but that's what happens when you let the market choose you instead of choosing your market. Just like most guys work sh1tty jobs (even if they pay well) they don't like because they settle for what's easily attainable without much risk and rationalize the rest.
 

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[QUOTE="fastlife, post: 2934210,

This has nothing to do with anything. I hve a high SMV (tho mostly looks and status in groups where I was already established--took me much longer to learn how to establish status wherever I am, mostly thru subcomms and getting ppl to qualify, very little money thru the peak of my game career)--I got blown tf for months when I first started cold approaching. But once I learned some verbal game, practiced my subcomms, practiced my tonality, etc., I got better results and more consistent results than I did before when I relied on IOIs and social circle. I also know guys IRL who don't have high SMV--if you're defining SMV by looks, money, status--both naturals and from the community who fvck way out of their league--again just with verbal game, subcomms, and being proactive. Ofc looks, money, status helps but behavior + game trumps those by a wide margin (until you start getting into celebrity or minor celebrity status). I know dozens of good looking, jacked, and/or rich dudes who don't fvck at all or fvck "age appropriate" women or girls who are way below what they should be able to get--but that's what happens when you let the market choose you instead of choosing your market. Just like most guys work sh1tty jobs (even if they pay well) they don't like because they settle for what's easily attainable without much risk and rationalize the rest.
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Some people you can lead to water but can't make them drink.

It just goes to show the difference of somebody who chooses to work harder, and not smarter.
Sure you can apply for better jobs , or you can learn skills that make you the catch and have better jobs apply for you
The choice is yours
 

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It just goes to show the difference of somebody who chooses to work harder, and not smarter.
Sure you can apply for better jobs , or you can learn skills that make you the catch and have better jobs apply for you
The choice is yours
Or you can just assume more risk or build the right relationships and make more money more quickly than you could on any "career" trajectory or "paying your dues"--sometimes beyond what you're "qualified" for by your resume or past achievements (outside of being an NFL player or some sh1t). If we're dealing in metaphors lol.

At the end of the day, playing it safe is playing it safe--you're trading maximum returns for stability and comfort. Which is fine. In economic terms, where failure can be disastrous, it can even be the right play. But we're talking about approaching girls who don't smile at you or make eye contact--where the costs are pretty much non-existent.
 

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when guys start throwing around words like "autistic" and "retard" and "only the strong survive" you know they're losing the argument.
I was the one who made the "only the strong survive" comment and I was not involved in yall argument so idk wtf you mentioned that for with ya dumbass.
 

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I was the one who made the "only the strong survive" comment and I was not involved in yall argument so idk wtf you mentioned that for with ya dumbass.
You right. Your first post was circumspect & spot on. I was spray-and-praying--didn't mean to hit you with collateral damage. Stand by the rest of my argument.
 

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Keep it simple: all high interest women will continue to give you signals for a long time. Even the stupidest of men will catch on in these cases.
 

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1. the lower your SMV, the fewer of these "choosing signals" you will get. Therefore, average to below average looking guys will be waiting inordinately long periods in between "choosing signals"
Agree with everything you said.

I would also add that, for guys lower on the SMV scale, even if they got choosing signals, the signals would likely be WEAKER and easier to miss.

It might just appear that she’s being friendly. Then the guy misses one of his rare opportunities because he waits to “stack more evidence” that she’s interested. By then, she gives up and friendzones him.
 

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If it were that simple more men would be succesful at it. 30 out of 32 men miss these covert signals studies have shown. Theres a ton of room for improvement.
My point was to avoid low interest women who give few short signals, and go for the high interest ones.
 

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I've never lived in a city where hot girls who were 18-22ish went out solo.
You said that you have not been much of a day game guy. I have been more day game than night game in the past decade. One of the big advantages of doing approaches in a non-bar setting is easier isolation. A woman at the grocery store or on an outdoor walking path is more likely to be isolated than a woman at the bar.

I roll with naturals all the time--guys that get laid plenty but who rely on waiting for choosing signals. I'm fvcking hotter girls.

Approach the girls YOU want--and let the chips fall wherever.

"Talking to my friends" is her frame. "Taking her home" is mine. Strongest frame wins.
I would say that my 6'4" ex college athlete friend is the closest to a natural I've seen. His frame was strong when he was actively picking up. He ended up settling down and get married. If you look at his life now, it's a typical married guy in the suburbs life. It looks very beta.

I don't know how you go from what he was to a typical beta.

If the hottest women give the least obvious interest, that can be problematic.
This is true almost across the board--almost everyone in the "community" who actually goes out and approaches has noted this. If they didn't have higher barriers to entry they'd literally be incessantly bombarded with so much male attention they wouldn't be able to function and all the guys they fvcked would be needy, clingy, insecure, etc. since they didn't even have the self-belief to roll up on her. -I've hung out with wayyy too many "wait for choosing signals" guys and seen what "chooses" them; there's a definite ceiling).
You make a good point about hot women playing it very nonchalant and about the ceiling on choosing signal guys.
 

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Everytime you walk into a busy venue or anywhere girls are gathered in a social event and lets say you are atleast a 6. Every girl within eye sight of you notices you. And signals start firing. Subcomunications.
Its important for you whether you are out that night on the prowl or not, to get better at picking up on these.
You look exactly the same whether a girl makes eye contact with you pre-approach or plays with her hair or w/e or you tap
Yes when I walk into a busy venue, I know there will be a lot of eyes on me. However this is not the important part. Like at this stage. Don't worry about missing out on which ones are looking at you. There will be girls making a mental note to either signal you to approach them (end up next to you at the bar, or positioning themselves so they end up within your line of sight so that you don't miss them (even tho they are not looking at you) or approach you themselves. However at the moment you enter a venue, some girls could be busy doing something else where they did not notice you enter the venue. They could for instance be using the bathroom, ordering a drink, talking to their friends in person or through text. Or may have not arrived yet.

Had they been near the door, when you entered the venue. They'd also make that same mental note. Therefore because these girls haven't noticed you yet, they might not throw you choosing signals to approach them. And therefore, you'd incorrectly conclude they aren't interest in you (because they aren't throwing you choosing signals).
 

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All of this is complicated by one very wrong-headed assumption: the (false) belief that cold approaching is the best way to find and date women.

Cold approaching is grueling for nearly 100% of the human population. The only ones who can actually pursue this as a lifestyle or even a consistent activity are guys who do this full time.

For everyone else, there are too many other time and energy consuming priorities which make capitalizing on cold approaches extremely difficult.

For example, cold approaching at night relies on max number of women, drunkenness and receptivity: this all occurs between 11 PM and closing which can vary from 1 AM to 3 AM to well...

This is not a sustainable lifestyle long term and even in the short term it can wreck your sleep cycle, and even if you are successful can tank the remainder of your weekend due to sleep deprivation and lethargy. This is not to mention the risk of belligerent drunks, LMR after hours of pursuit, or even the limited payoff of quickie sex with a stranger after investing an entire night of pursuit. Only to have to mount the same effort night after night, weekend and after weekend. It's like a hamster in a wheel. You're not really going anywhere with this lifestyle. That's assuming you are even successful at what you do.

I have seen far too many "pua" types who settle for land whales or go home empty handed weekend after weekend.

Cold approaching is a huge time sink with very minimal short term payoffs. Most will not pursue it because they can intuit that it doesn't really lead them anywhere worthwhile.
 

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All of this is complicated by one very wrong-headed assumption: the (false) belief that cold approaching is the best way to find and date women.

Cold approaching is grueling for nearly 100% of the human population. The only ones who can actually pursue this as a lifestyle or even a consistent activity are guys who do this full time.

For everyone else, there are too many other time and energy consuming priorities which make capitalizing on cold approaches extremely difficult.

For example, cold approaching at night relies on max number of women, drunkenness and receptivity: this all occurs between 11 PM and closing which can vary from 1 AM to 3 AM to well...

This is not a sustainable lifestyle long term and even in the short term it can wreck your sleep cycle, and even if you are successful can tank the remainder of your weekend due to sleep deprivation and lethargy. This is not to mention the risk of belligerent drunks, LMR after hours of pursuit, or even the limited payoff of quickie sex with a stranger after investing an entire night of pursuit. Only to have to mount the same effort night after night, weekend and after weekend. It's like a hamster in a wheel. You're not really going anywhere with this lifestyle. That's assuming you are even successful at what you do.

I have seen far too many "pua" types who settle for land whales or go home empty handed weekend after weekend.

Cold approaching is a huge time sink with very minimal short term payoffs. Most will not pursue it because they can intuit that it doesn't really lead them anywhere worthwhile.
Speak for yourself, I know and grew up with plenty of friends and acquaintances who are eating very good from cold Approaching.

I've also done very well for myself with cold Approaching.

Cold Approaching is hard and it sucks for ugly, lame, corny, squares ect type guys.

You're SMV will be a direct reflection on how women respond to you, point blank period, you're game only matters after she's sized up you're SMV.....

The guys who are good at cold Approaching from my experience are those cool, attractive swaggering guys with tons of confidence, the ones I see complaining about how horrible it is are usually the unattractive, uncool whatever you wanna call it.

The game is different for different men, everyone lives in their own reality based on things such as SMV ECT

Cold Approaching takes balls and confidence and women love getting approached but only by the attractive cool guys lol.

Hard sad truth for lots of men but the universe doesn't care about you're tears, it is what it is, life's not fair but this is the brutal truth, the dating world is ruthless lol......

Better step ya SMV up before you jump out there trying to approach women.

And I'm speaking in general not directly to you.
 
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