The plight of African Americans in game

[backbreaker]

you know exactly what i'm trying to say mike you are an intelligent dude, you are just trying to pull a red herring.


The conversation you are referencing is about real legit HBs. The conversation now is just about dating in general.

For a woman with real options, being white in itself isn't good enough anymore. You have to bring something to the table or someome like myself will take the woman you are eyeing.

But once you get past the top level HB's that everyone is after and has all these options, and you get into the world of HB 5's and 7's and avg dudes of all races, the game is different.


And also, note, this post isn't about "black people". it's about "intelligent black people who don't fit societies stereotype of black people" I know plenty of avg ass black guys that date white chicks. But they all are into that sterotype. what if you prefer kakhis over fat albert blue jeans? What if you like jazz over hip hop? you are **** out of luck unless you are at the top of your game


also keep in mind I'm not mad at white people. I like white people. As stated I Grew up around white people, I'm married to one lol. My son, and my mom are half white. I'm not jealous of white people. I Don't think anyone in this thread is saying that. This isn't one of those posts.

However, there are some very real truths in dating if you are black and not a thug that need to be addressed. I'm trying to address them.

 

[PlayHer Man]

The entire race issue depends HEAVILY on location. Location probably matters more than anything else.

If you live in a big city on the East or West coast.. your race will not matter much when it comes to attracting women. I know men of all races who pull hotties of all races.

I would say at least 90% of men who b!tch about not pulling girls because of their race are faggots who pedestalize women in the first place. They pedestalize white women especially.

A woman being white doesn't mean sh!t. If you think her race makes her "better" then don't whine when she has the same attitude about your race being "worse". :crackup:

Women are not prizes. White women are not better than any other woman. They all exist for sex and reproduction. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[backbreaker]

The entire race issue depends HEAVILY on location. Location probably matters more than anything else.

this is true.

Where's the pics of your hot wife. You can't be saying **** like that without proof.

I've posted pics of her before. However she doesn't like me posting pictures of her online so I don't.

I just want to point out backbreaker, and I love you man.....but what you are posting here differs greatly from your post last year about "the end of white men".

We are talking about 2 different things. the "end of white men" post (which I feel was probably my most thought out post ever on this forum) is talking specifically about white men being able to date hot white women for no other reason than they are white. Also if you read that post carefully, interracial dating is like one of 10 things I listed that does it in for avg white males. The invent of social media kills avg white men because women would rather share a catch, and they have more access to catches now via social media than in the 90's. Avg white men were able to date up so to speak

from that same page you posted

so now with the above all laid out, the internet really, really is the spark that lights the explosion in change. Women have rights and jobs and money and now they can see who is ALL around town not just the people they know. they can send emails to guys they don't know and pictures and use classifieds to meet people online. then there are dating sites that make this even more prevalent, there is social media sites that allows for women to find men and interact with men in different states, backgrounds, different running circles that otherwise she never would have met. For instance, i did not met my wife on the internet, but if it were not for the internet, i would not have met my wife; i learned about 90% of everything I ever learned about horse racing off the internet, i watch about 90% of the races I wager on on the internet. It was beucase I love horse racing that i went to the track one morning and saw my now wife there looking cute and eventually approached her. This is a woman, a part of society that 20 years ago i would have not had any part of.

With the invent of the internet and social media sites, the people who were raised in the mantra of get a decent job, don't worry about "game" just treat a woman right, and she will treat you right, because it is based on the wrong theory that non hypergamy based falls flat on it's collective face. women, now have many more options, and what cut it 20 years ago and allowed for women to over look things like not being hot or really in shape, not being a great dresser, or not having a promising career, that's not going to cut it anymore.

That post doesn't so much deal with interracial dating as uch as it deals with avg men getting laid for being avg by hot women.


THIS post talks about the nuances of intelligent black males being able to successfully date.


shoot, you are proving my point. Using the posts you quoted, say Jennifer the hot white HB8 gets on facebook and starts looking for guys to date. She's going to date a hot white guy before she dates a hot black guy. But she will date a really hot black guy before she dates an avg looking white guy.

lol but what about the avg looking intelligent black guy lol? That's what i'm trying to say. The avg intelligent non thug african american is the wildlife equivalent of the Wildebeest, everyone just ****s all over him and he's at the bottom of the food chain. Congrats, you are the black guy that girls keep around / talk to just so they can tell people they have black friends lol.

You can fix it by.. being a catch. Become hot. Get a real career. Get serious about your game. That's what i'm trying to say. Intelligent black guys don't have the luxury of not living in the gym. Intelligent black guys don't have the luxury of "not caring about money" these are things I have to have to compensate for not living up to my stereotype.

 

[PlayHer Man]

Playher man, I completely agree with you.

One interesting thing, and perhaps You, Backbreaker or Solomon can chime in here.....but I have heard a couple of black women say "they can't find any good black men", referring to black men with college degrees and such.

Now, my take is that there may be some truth to this since black males as a percentage get the fewest college degrees.

However, knowing women as I do, I also think there could be a high potential of bull$hit being spouted here. What are your thoughts? I do know a some black men with college degrees who have a white wife....so perhaps the black women are right but aren't saying it is because the black men went with a white woman?

"Good black men" (like all other good men) will go for the hottest girl they can get. Often these black women who "can't find a good man" are simply not hot enough to attract one (just like the white women who can't find a good man).

Its not complex.

Also.. when you are a minority and you have a racial preference for a group with low numbers (black men are like 5% of the population) you are basically trying to win the lottery. Good luck.

Black men as a group are like 9-11% of men in the U.S. Many are in jail. Then when you limit yourself to black men with degrees who live in your area, make your vagina tingle, are not faggots and want to date YOU.. good luck with that. :crackup:

 

[Bokanovsky]

I can truely say that when I was in my first business and broke and a little overweight, NO one hit on me. not fat women, not black women, not white women, not nerdy women, no one. It wasn't that I was repulsive. I just didn't fit in anywhere.

Show me an overweight, nerdy, broke white guy who has women chasing after him. Please. I really would like to see that.

 

[PlayHer Man]

Show me an overweight, nerdy, broke white guy who has women chasing after him. Please. I really would like to see that.

I bet this guy is SWIMMING in p*ssy --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDmUtkqjZhY

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

He has to beat them off with a stick!

 

[Bokanovsky]

The media portrays the stereotypical black man as that. If you don't fit the stereotype you don't get the benefits. At the end of the day its all about value. A man with high enough value can be with virtually any woman he wants and she won't give a fvck about lineage. Women are attracted to any man who displays attractive traits. On the other hand I can respect wanting to start a family with your own race. In a perfect world I'd prefer to get with a black chick and create cute little black babies. However, I'm not going to pass up opportunities with other women. There simply aren't enough black women around that fit my standard. I'm not going to starve myself looking for a black chick when there are thousands of fvckable whites, hispanics, and other ethnicities of women around every corner.

And how does the media portray desirable white men? Good looking, suave guys like Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, etc. You don't see the media pushing the 'average white guy' as the archetype of cool. Quite the opposite actually. The 'average white guy' is the butt of all jokes these days. When was the last time you saw a commercial where a black or other minority man was portrayed as a bumbling fool? Exactly.

All you race whiners need to get a life and quit b!tching. Life is not fair. Either deal with it or go jump off a bridge.

 

[Bible_Belt]

Danger mentioned this earlier, but getting laid is not the same as dating. This thread seems to be about dating and relationships, which make a lot of aspects of a person relevant that are unrelated to just fvcking. Women wanting just casual sex are much more inclined to fvck someone outside of their own race... or broke, or married, or having any other trait that might make them look bad on facebook.

 

[Mike32ct]

In general, women don't like nerds, EXCEPT if he's a really good looking nerd or he used his nerdy skills to make big $$ via a career or business.

I love the Judge's line, "MIT students don't have groupies" lol.

Intelligence, BY ITSELF, is not attractive to women.

However, I do respect the original premise of thread. I think it's horrible that intelligent black guys can be shunned in favor of thugs by a lot of women. If I made the rules, bright guys (of all races) would have ladies chasing them, but it's not up to me.

Actually, women use looks and/or money/success to rate a guy's "intelligence" (from HER perspective).

Hot guy of average intelligence = he's so smart

Successful guy of any intelligence = he's brilliant

Average looking, average job but MENSA member = He's not my type. I like intelligence in a man lol.

BB: I get your point about average versus hot women. I'm all set. Thanks

 

[Bokanovsky]

If we can b1tch about elements of black culture murdering whites, they have an equal right to b1tch about what they perceive as a difficulty with women. Lighten up mate and let's get along.

I'm not sure how you can even compare the two. Besides, the point is that whatever problems they are has with women has little to do with race. PairPlus made a good point earlier in this thread. Good looking guys with good jobs (i.e. lawyers) typically get less attractive women than criminals of all races. All this whining about women only being attracted to black men who fit the "thug" stereotype ignores the fact that hot women are attracted to criminals period...whether it's black thugs, mexican drug lords, Hell's Angels, Italian mafiosos, Russian mobsters, etc. The other day, I saw a smoking brunette with some short, middle eastern dude with a 50 lb gold chain who literally looked like Saddam Hussein's retarded cousin. It is what it is.

 

[bukowski_merit]

I spent a lot of my early days gaming with 3 guys. There was a black guy in our group and he was easily one of the best naturals I’ve ever known.

He was in a death metal band. Was at one time a professional skate boarder (and talked like a surfer), and had this way about him that just drew men and women into him. If anyone knows who P.O.S is – he basically looks and talks exactly like POS. (If you don’t – here)

I never knew a person who didn’t like him.

And where I live is a college town, with about 10 bars in 4 block radius. Each of these bars has a different personality and crowd they attract. There’s hippy bars, punk rock bars, townie bars, classier lounge bars, bars that are just bars, and hip-hop/dance bars. It did not matter what bar we went to – he had success and would have crowds of girls standing around him. And most of the time, he’d be leaving the bar with one under his arm.

And it wasn’t just pickup; he dated a lot of these girls too (although these were mostly younger girls; in college, or not far out of it).


Now:

Was he just a normal dude? No, he has a personality that could tame a riot.

Was he successful in life? No, he almost never had a real job and lived with his parents, friends, or girlfriends for most of the time we were good friends.

How much did the death metal band help him? Well, he had no fear of crowds or approaching. But as in him being local famous or that being social proof? No, he rarely talked about it, and he was all intense business at his gigs.

Good looking, dressed nice, worked out? No to all 3. He was average looking and dressed like in flannel and jeans 90% of the time.


What did he have? He had a persona… A clear persona…. A personality… A clear personality.

And when guys come to me for advice, I almost always tell them to develop one; And to be as different as possible from the herd. There may be some nerdy average guys in her past, or with their arm around her right now; but you’d be doing yourself a big favor by separating yourself from them. Doesn’t matter what color you are…. That applies to everyone on this board…

If you know that you can’t get a certain type of woman because you’re a normal guy…. Quit being a normal guy.



Sadly, he’s beta as fvck now. Been with the same woman for 8 years. She walks all over him; tells him what to do and he does it. She’s cheated on him repeatedly. He came out for my 30th two years ago, and mostly just sat at the bar drinking. He lost that spark that made him shine. HE IS NORMAL NOW. He didn’t mature, he got tamed.

 

[PlayHer Man]

I'm not sure how you can even compare the two. Besides, the point is that whatever problems they are has with women has little to do with race. PairPlus made a good point earlier in this thread. Good looking guys with good jobs (i.e. lawyers) typically get less attractive women than criminals of all races. All this whining about women only being attracted to black men who fit the "thug" stereotype ignores the fact that hot women are attracted to criminals period...whether it's black thugs, mexican drug lords, Hell's Angels, Italian mafiosos, Russian mobsters, etc. The other day, I saw a smoking brunette with some short, middle eastern dude with a 50 lb gold chain who literally looked like Saddam Hussein's retarded cousin. It is what it is.

This is pretty spot on and I made a thread about it months ago when women were masturbating to the Boston Terrorist. Remember that?

Women like what they perceive to be "strength" in men. It has little to do with intelligence, race or morals. A strong "tough" guy is hot no matter what. Anything else is a beta faggot.

Another factor is the media and the environment many women grow up in. Many of them only feel secure if they are with a man who needs "reform". A man who is already "together" is clearly better than her and will probably lose interest in her over time.

This is why women push the successful men for MARRIAGE. They want guaranteed access to his resources long-term. With a criminal.. she feels NEEDED (for his reform) thus more secure with him. Plus she gets "tough guy" arm candy as a bonus. Makes her look edgy. She is a "bad b!tch" you don't want to mess with. This is a source of "pride" and status for these morons.

Its idiotic. Just spin plates and don't think too hard.

 

[Solomon]

*grabs popcorn*

6'2, 225 Black guy who does Ji Jitsu with masters degree struggles to get black women (yes that's my buddy)

No point arguing here BB said everything I wanted to say didnt know Playherman was black agree with some of his other stuff too

this topic will never die on this forum no matter how hard the mods will try, the truth is hard to accept sometimes I guess....

Show me an overweight, nerdy, broke white guy who has women chasing after him. Please. I really would like to see that.

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If that's not enough you can always watch this guy

 

[backbreaker]

seriously guys, keep this **** clean. this is a damn good discussion. take the immature flaming somewhere else.

 

[Dhoulmagus]

The entire race issue depends HEAVILY on location. Location probably matters more than anything else.

If you live in a big city on the East or West coast.. your race will not matter much when it comes to attracting women. I know men of all races who pull hotties of all races.

I would say at least 90% of men who b!tch about not pulling girls because of their race are faggots who pedestalize women in the first place. They pedestalize white women especially.

A woman being white doesn't mean sh!t. If you think her race makes her "better" then don't whine when she has the same attitude about your race being "worse". :crackup:

Women are not prizes. White women are not better than any other woman. They all exist for sex and reproduction. Nothing more and nothing less.

This spot on. Thugs only attract insecure trash white women. Lol surprise!!

 

[JoeMarron]

And how does the media portray desirable white men? Good looking, suave guys like Johnny Depp, Brad Pitt, etc. You don't see the media pushing the 'average white guy' as the archetype of cool. Quite the opposite actually. The 'average white guy' is the butt of all jokes these days. When was the last time you saw a commercial where a black or other minority man was portrayed as a bumbling fool? Exactly.

All you race whiners need to get a life and quit b!tching. Life is not fair. Either deal with it or go jump off a bridge.

Good looking guys with good jobs (i.e. lawyers) typically get less attractive women than criminals of all races.

You're right. This thread shouldn't be about a bunch of black dudes comparing their plight with white men, b!tching about who has it worse off. It should only illustrate to black dudes here who don't fit the stereotype what to expect in the game.

Why are you macking on white women anyway? HAve you been so socially conditioned as to think your own kind is not worthy?

Lol I knew someone was going to bring this up, I already addressed it and it still came up. The fact is that it'll always be easier to date, be in relationships with, and fvck women in your own race. Black dudes who don't fit the stereotype simply don't have that option. Of course I and other black men would like to date attractive black women however, they simply do not exists in large enough numbers. In the U.S. black people are a minority pretty much everywhere so you're already working with a small pool of women. In places where they aren't a minority the area is ghetto as fvck. The obesity rate in the black community is far higher than the average. Scratch off the fatties, the ghetto chicks, the chicks who only date the stereotype and you have the equivalent of searching for a unicorn. Any sensible black man would mack on white women instead of living in celibacy.

 

[Jaylan]

^Totally agree with everything Joe said. Like I and backbreaker said before, some of us brothers date outside of our race because if we didn't we would NEVER date. Demographics people...demographics. My location and interests always made it so that black women were low in number for dating prospects. And when choosing a partner, Im not going to go after the only few black girls around just because of their race.

I need to be attracted to them AND click with them in a way that will foster a good relationship. If black women are few in the groups of women who have a chance of dating me, obviously itd make sense that Id be frequently dating out of my race. That's simple math. Not because I pedestalize one race or put down another.

Playher man, I completely agree with you.

One interesting thing, and perhaps You, Backbreaker or Solomon can chime in here.....but I have heard a couple of black women say "they can't find any good black men", referring to black men with college degrees and such.

Now, my take is that there may be some truth to this since black males as a percentage get the fewest college degrees.

However, knowing women as I do, I also think there could be a high potential of bull$hit being spouted here. What are your thoughts? I do know a some black men with college degrees who have a white wife....so perhaps the black women are right but aren't saying it is because the black men went with a white woman?

While educated black men can be scarce in some areas, they are multiple in other areas. I live in a suburb of NYC. Down in NYC and where I went to school in the burbs, you had plenty of educated brothers who stayed around black women.

So while some black women have a legitimate gripe about a shortage, many simply mean to say "things don't work out with the men I date." In reality they've dated educated black men, and stuff doesn't work out, which leaves them saying "theres a shortage of good black men".

Trust me, when I walk around certain places of NY there can be a shortage of brothers like me. However I can walk around others places in NY and be a dime a dozen.

Danger mentioned this earlier, but getting laid is not the same as dating. This thread seems to be about dating and relationships, which make a lot of aspects of a person relevant that are unrelated to just fvcking. Women wanting just casual sex are much more inclined to fvck someone outside of their own race... or broke, or married, or having any other trait that might make them look bad on facebook.

This.

As someone said in this thread and the other thread...relationship minded dudes do have to worry about chicks using them for a fling. Sure it might sound cool, but its kind of demeaning to think that youre good enough for a bang, but that your race makes you unsuitable for settling down.

Ive known guys to outright admit they will bang but not settle down with particular ethnicities of women. But women wont own up to this reality and admit they do the same thing....but it happens.

PS - Younger women seem more open to dating different flavors of men when they are younger but then sticking to one type as they get older. Ive seen it plenty. It plays into the reality that many women use certain guys for sex and others for relationships.

 

[PlayHer Man]

Some great points in this thread on all sides.

I do think it's true that black and whites face different hurdles than eachother......but at the end of the day, we all have difficulty with women, unless we fit a specific niche that a woman hasn't fvked yet but would like to.

Black men have the problem that many white women will fvk them but not marry them......while at the same time White men have the problem that white women will fvk every type of guy out there BEFORE they marry him. Different problems but still problems.

And since marriage is a dogsh!t deal these days. White guys (and ALL guys) might as well just spin plates and stop trying to wife up any modern westernized woman.

Every race of man has the "problem" that most modern women are worthless, entitled, shallow, materialistic, and selfish. And these are the b!tches that beta fags cry themselves to sleep at night over. :crackup: :crackup:

"Why??!! Why.. can't I have my very own worthless c*nt?!"

 

[Bokanovsky]

The obesity rate in the black community is far higher than the average. Scratch off the fatties, the ghetto chicks, the chicks who only date the stereotype and you have the equivalent of searching for a unicorn. Any sensible black man would mack on white women instead of living in celibacy.

But don't you think this equally applies to black men (i.e. obesity, ghetto-ness, etc.)? It would seem logical to conclude that the majority of black guys complaining about not being able to get women (black or otherwise) are not exactly cream of the crop either. Blaming your failures with women on your blackness is just another example of playing the race card IMO.

 

[Jaylan]

But don't you think this equally applies to black men (i.e. obesity, ghetto-ness, etc.)? It would seem logical to conclude that the majority of black guys complaining about not being able to get women (black or otherwise) are not exactly cream of the crop either. Blaming your failures with women on your blackness is just another example of playing the race card IMO.

You really never contribute anything to these sort of discussions other than slinging the "youre playing the race card" accusation at people.

Maybe you should try and see things from a different perspective for once. Trust me dude, you need to talk to more people...because they are folks out there who openly admit or show through their actions that certain races are unsuitable to them for dating, solely because of their race.

Hell go to dating forums and read how some people openly talk about race. It DOES affect dating. Yes many women do use guys outside of their ethnicity for flings, or simply refuse to date them based on race alone.

And part of the reason my ex and I ended up not working out is due to family pressure she felt. We had our own relationship issues, but she always felt like her mother couldn't accept me. Hell, her family is why she was iffy about taking a chance on me to begin with.

So tell me again how my blackness never has any bearing on my dating life. Please go ahead and dismiss my life experiences...even though Ive outright heard people give race as their reasoning for who they do and don't date.