The myth of the single woman

[ketostix]

Mostly he did that (alter egos) for funny reasons. Humour. Comedy. Ego.

It was his integrity that allowed him to OUT HIMSELF.

Noone else did that. HE did that.

I say this in case he doesn't feel the need to explain himself to you.

That was a cheap shot, btw. Figures.

That's right be biased and twist the meaning behind everything and then keep claiming you have integrity . He cheap shotted me first.

 

[jophil28]

THis Integrity debate is fascinating and all, BUT I stll need to talk to my bud RAY about his woman troubles .

The latest -
HE called me at midnight, kind of upset and confused, and said ,

"So it boils down to this - to recap, she called me to come on over and do her in her bed . I went over to her house and we f**ked for an hour and then we are lying there in the afterglow. As she gets up to go to the bathroom, her phone rings and she then talks, naked,for ten minutes , walking down the hall, with some other GUY she works with and makes a date to see him the next night - all the while she has a pvssy full of my c*m..
What is wrong with this ? "

She has just gone on the date with the other "male friend " and is now calling RAY again. HE has no clue about what to do next - and I am stunned by this woman's behavior - this is a new one on me !

GIve me some words to say to him, guys.

 

[STR8UP]

But the point is whether a man has intgerity or not has no real bearing on the question of whether a woman he's with has integrity. Most people say they have integrity and believe it but most do not actually have much integrity.

Nonono keto.....there is no such thing as "not much integrity", as some other posters have astutely pointed out.

You either HAVE integrity, or you don't, Which basically means, you are PERFECT when it comes to setting rock solid principals and sticking to them, or you lack integrity because you don't practice what you preach.

In other words, in order to be considered to have "integrity", you must set personal guidelines and stick to them.

But here's the kicker. Nobody said you can't *CHANGE* these standards from time to time, and as long as you are following them at the time you believe them to be true, you are ok.

Sounds an awful lot like anyone and everyone could be considered to have integrity, most of the time, for the most part. And we all know that's the gods honest truth.

 

[STR8UP]

By the way...just because a man has a woman and makes a move to another...does not necessary means he lacks integrity. This will depend on his culture as many cultures actually encourage men to have more than one woman (a wife a mistress etc.) to a point that even the women of those particular cultures are not even surprised by that.

But I see your point.

Hmmmm....sounds like there might be some "gray" area after all.

No, gray area is only for "justification".

You do see just how little sense you are making, don't you?

 

[STR8UP]

If you could steal $100K from your boss knowing that NO ONE will find out. If you could cheat on your wife knowing that NO ONE will find out. If you could take 5 days off from work and not claim vacaction knowing NO ONE will find out. If you answer "yes" to any of those...you know that you lack integrity.

I've already made it 100% clear that I would not steal. I have never cheated on a woman. And if I were employed by someone, no, i would not streal 5 days worth of pay.

But have I ever stolen a brownie from the cooler when I worked at a restaurant? Guilty as charged. I suppose that one incident means I have no integrity!

So what you are telling me is that YOU and all of the people you associate with, do not and have never done anything that they might feel guilty about, especially something that society finds particularly reprehensible?

 

[guru1000]

In other words, in order to be considered to have "integrity", you must set personal guidelines and stick to them.

But here's the kicker. Nobody said you can't *CHANGE* these standards from time to time, and as long as you are following them at the time you believe them to be true, you are ok.

Sounds an awful lot like anyone and everyone could be considered to have integrity, most of the time, for the most part. And we all know that's the gods honest truth.

Let me remind you of the definition as you often forget.

Integrity- Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code

Your personal guidelines or standards differ from STRICT MORAL OR ETHICAL CODE.

You could argue it is the PERCEPTION of the society you are in. You are correct. You and I are within the same society so our moral or ethical code SHOULD be congruent. However it is not because you CHOOSE to pass the bucket so to say and never ACCEPT responsibility for your actions.

Thereby leaving us with two people of the same society with two competely different PERCEPTIONS of STRICT MORAL OR ETHICAL CODE.

The irony here is just a few months ago you wrote this thread complaining about a women who lacked integrity. And here you are defending exactly what you complained about.

Hypocrisy is quite an understatement here. I would like to call it CONFUSION. :yes:

 

[STR8UP]

What seperates you from the PACK?

What will you take with you to your death bed?

I believe you mentioned that you are fairly ruthless in business, am i correct?

If so, don't you think that there might have been times where someone on the other end of the transaction might have felt like they got the short end of the stick? Do you think that there might have been times where if the other person had more facts, they might have been inclined to feel that they were cheated by you?

How do you reconcile this with your code of honor and such?

 

[guru1000]

I believe you mentioned that you are fairly ruthless in business, am i correct?

If so, don't you think that there might have been times where someone on the other end of the transaction might have felt like they got the short end of the stick? Do you think that there might have been times where if the other person had more facts, they might have been inclined to feel that they were cheated by you?

How do you reconcile this with your code of honor and such?

I do what you do.

"Nature made me do it"

That is actually a decent question.

If I come into your store and FULLY DISCLOSE my motive to you. You agree to my proposal understanding the risks.

You later lose money. How does that CONFLICT with integrity?

 

[STR8UP]

The irony here is just a few months ago you wrote this thread complaining about a women who lacked integrity. And here you are defending exactly what you complained about.

Hypocrisy is quite an understatement here. I would like to call it CONFUSION. :yes:

How am I defending lack of integrity?

I'm telling you that as high and mighty as someone might make themself out to be, there is a little angel and a little devil in each one of us. You want to be able to put people in one category or the other, but it doesn't work that way.

You guys are REALLY missing the entire point of these threads.

 

[hithard]

Here is a very simple test...

If you do to another person...what you don't want another person doing to you...then you lack integrity.

There is a difference about not bending your principals out of a fear of getting caught and not bending your principals out of integrity.

There is also a difference about finding "gray areas" (justifications) that allow you to bend your principals...and not bending your pricipals due to integrity.




The REAL test...is what would you do when NO ONE is watching you.

You want to truly measure if you have any integrity or not? The best way to measure that is putting you in a shoddy situation in which NO ONE will ever find out.

If you could steal $100K from your boss knowing that NO ONE will find out. If you could cheat on your wife knowing that NO ONE will find out. If you could take 5 days off from work and not claim vacaction knowing NO ONE will find out. If you answer "yes" to any of those...you know that you lack integrity.


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Good post, but it shows integrity is a personal thing. In day to day life you might do something that I deem is of low character due to my own personal values. So really it’s a hard thing to gauge. I mean even though I have stuck by my principles in life there’s always someone out there that thinks I have done them wrong and questioned my integrity. It is a very subjective thing in real life. It is easy to make it black and white in posts. And it comes back to, are you comfortable in yourself with what you have done and basically what your own values are.

PS: I subscribe to everything you have written above. But I would not hold everyone to such rigid rules as myself. I have also started to question my own line of thinking on this matter.

 

[guru1000]

How am I defending lack of integrity?

I'm telling you that as high and mighty as someone might make themself out to be, there is a little angel and a little devil in each one of us. You want to be able to put people in one category or the other, but it doesn't work that way.

You guys are REALLY missing the entire point of these threads.

The hypocrisy lies in this thread .

I've just about given up on the idea that MAYBE there might be one or two decent women out there who are honest and have integrity. It just seems like everywhere I look it's nothing but lying, cheating, and manipulative b!tches.

You were so DISGUSTED with how this woman could think and act this way.

Then you come back last week to discuss how you nailed a married woman and LOVED it.

 

[STR8UP]

IYou later lose money. How does that CONFLICT with integrity?

Some might say you didn't do a good enough job of disclosure, or that you had unfair knowledge, or a dozen other things that could be interpreted by certain people in a different way than you personally see it.

See some more gray area? Does EVERYONE agree with your M.O.?

You feel you have integrity. I feel that you don't. The rest of society is split. Who is right and who is wrong?

 

[STR8UP]

The hypocrisy lies in this thread .



You were so DISGUSTED with how this woman could think and act this way.

Then you come back last week to discuss how you nailed a married woman and LOVED it.

Lets not get back into that debate.

Women are not "property" and thus cannot be "taken" from another person. I did not break a commitment to another person. I do not believe that my actions were "wrong", and I don't care if our collective society says otherwise. I did not break an oath too myself or any other human being. I remained true to my principals.

Hypocrisy?

 

[guru1000]

Some might say you didn't do a good enough job of disclosure, or that you had unfair knowledge, or a dozen other things that could be interpreted by certain people in a different way than you personally see it.

See some more gray area? Does EVERYONE agree with your M.O.?

You feel you have integrity. I feel that you don't. The rest of society is split. Who is right and who is wrong?

Well actually, I won this argument in court before. LOL

It comes down to MATERIAL DISCLOSURES.

In other words, the facts that are material with regard to the company I am pitching.

In addition, the client is given a 100 page private placement memorandum to which he must review and sign. This memo also discusses the MATERIAL disclosures and all the RISKS involved with this investment.

There is no grey area with disclosures. The grey area lies if I have a conflict of interest with this company. And if I do, that must be disclosed or I wouldn't have to worry about INTEGRITY. I would be fighting another indictment.

 

[ketostix]

How am I defending lack of integrity?

I'm telling you that as high and mighty as someone might make themself out to be, there is a little angel and a little devil in each one of us. You want to be able to put people in one category or the other, but it doesn't work that way.

You guys are REALLY missing the entire point of these threads.

And I tell you what, the people who will most likely screw you over the worst are the people who are always shouting they have integrity.

Women are not "property" and thus cannot be "taken" from another person. I did not break a commitment to another person. I do not believe that my actions were "wrong", and I don't care if our collective society says otherwise. I did not break an oath too myself or any other human being. I remained true to my principals.

Hypocrisy?

I think it's a classic example of people trying to shift the blame of this married woman's lack of integrity on to someone else. STR8UP if only you'd hang out with "single" women of quality and integrity then any and all your problems with women would be solved ! Yeah if you can find them, huh? Maybe you should just put your blinders on and as long as you believe you're dealing with a single quality woman that'll make it magically true.

 

[Latinoman]

See that's just it, to really test integrity of a person they have to be put in a situation that they can most likely get away with. Short of setting up a sting operation and entrapping the person you won't be able to test them like this. My point is most people will compromise their own integrity at certain times and situations.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=143726

Go there and pose this statement. I will provide an answer to that...but not here. Follow the link.

There is not compromise when it comes to a man's character.

 

[Latinoman]

Latinoman, you really hit a homerun with this post.

I've personally found that the people I've met in life, that I "look up" to, have held themselves to a higher standard of integrity, ethics, and morals.

They hold true to themselves...and, I've noticed that they are the happiest, well-rounded, well-adjusted people I've ever met.

Also, in my past, I've had to deal with people with absolutely no integrity, no morals, would stab you in the back at the drop of a hat.

These folks, were the most miserable people that I've ever met.

I truly believe, that the by holding ourselves to a higher standard, than we hold others...is quite possibly the key to living a happy full life.

Thanks!

 

[Latinoman]

Hmmmm....sounds like there might be some "gray" area after all.

No, gray area is only for "justification".

You do see just how little sense you are making, don't you?

For a person that claim to be a deep thinker, you certainly are not the brightest.

No gray area. Many nations (especially in Africa) men are allowed to have multiple "wives". It is the way it is. We, as a society, cannot push our belief system to another culture or nation. That's the point I am trying to make.

There is NO gray area there. Society define our code of ethics. We define our own morals. And our parents/religious believes define our values.


There is not one "global" society. We live in America/UK/Australia/Canada. Our society is practically the same. But I wanted to make clear (for those outside our society) to understand that they might have a different code of ethics.

 

[STR8UP]

And I tell you what, the people who will most likely screw you over the worst are the people who are always shouting they have integrity.

Actually, the people most likely to screw you over are those who are CLOSEST to you. My family, and a very, very small handful of people have proven themselves over the years.

I think it's a classic example of people trying to shift the blame of this married woman's lack of integrity on to someone else.

Funny....I just got back from hanging out with some friends, and my one lady friend was there (the one who introduced me to the married chick) and I asked her point blank what she thought of me for having slept with a married woman.

Now keep in mind, this woman found out that her husband of ten years had numerous affairs. So she is COMPLETELY against adultery. This is the one woman I know who I would say that I am 99% certain would NEVER step out on her husband, even if she wasn't happy, and I know her pretty well so I'm not pulling this out of my ass.

So I asked her what she thought about it, and she says, "Well, I'm not gonna lie....I DO have an issue with "K" having done what she did, but you? You're single....you can do whatever you want".

To be honest, I was surprised at her reply. I thought that if ANYONE would have something to say about it, it would be her. But to my surprise, even SHE realized that I had no commitment to anyone, and thus have no responsibility to anyone in the situation.

STR8UP if only you'd hang out with "single" women of quality and integrity then any and all your problems with women would be solved ! Yeah if you can find them, huh?

I know, what a fukkin joke. I put my pants on one leg at a time just like everyone else here, and despite the erroneous conclusion that has been reached by the STR8UP lynch mob, I have a whole stable of normal, well adjusted friends. they have their flaws just like everyone else does, but in the end they are only HUMANS, average in most senses of the word, which means some of them cheat and do things others wouldn't approve of, but overall they are the same kind of people that most any other decent person might consider being friends with.

Maybe you should just put your blinders on and as long as you believe you're dealing with a single quality woman that'll make it magically true.

You know, I envy guys like Rollo who seem to be happy and have healthy relationships with their S/O's.

But unlike Rollo, a lot of the other guys here who are in relationships (even the ones who claim to be perfectly happy), I think they are setting themselves up for a huge POSSIBLE failure, in that if something WERE to happen where their woman went out and cheated or something of the sort, they would be so devastated they wouldn't know what to do with themselves.

Guys like Rollo are likely to succeed because first and foremost they know that the most important component to maintaining a happy, healthy relationship is to be a MAN at all times, but almost equally as important they realize that their wives are HUMAN and are not superhuman "quality" women with unwavering "integrity". They know that they have made a wise choice, but in the end only time will tell.

 

[Latinoman]

Str8up...I think is time for you to start hanging out with men. It is pretty pathetic that you have to seek justification on a female friend. Come on dude...have some self-respect.