The myth of the single woman

[STR8UP]

A "natural" who is unaware of his actions is not a man. This is a weak person who will bend when pressured, who will fold, when strength is needed most.

We got our wires crossed here.

I'm talking about a man who naturally attracts a woman.

I suppose I just automatically assume that most men do not pursue married women. If a guy is a "natural" and attracts a married chick, he has a passive role, at least in the attraction phase. the guy who uses his "skills" to seduce a married woman is doing so with intent.

IMO these are two different men. I will not judge a man who purposefully tries to seduce a married woman just for a piece of ass, but I'm not that guy.

Like I said though, it has been my experience that the vast majority of the time the wife is throwing it out there, basically BEGGING for it.

How will you look this woman's husband in the eye when you meet him?

Well, considering he lives halfway across the country I don't think that's very likely to happen.

I do remember one time a long time ago there was this chick who had a thing for me. She lived with her b/f at the time, and although I never fukked her, I did end up fingering her after getting pulled into the bathroom at a party one night. I was bartending at the time and she came into my bar a few weeks later with her b/f. I could sense that he knew something was up, and I have a feeling that she was the type to use other guys to make the b/f jealous, so it was a bit awkward, but otherwise not a big deal. Again, it was the woman making the moves.

It was for men to think, before pursueing a married woman, and then try to justify it like Keto by saying that all women are available, etc.

not the justification stuff again.....

I don't think that was Keto's intention at all. He was simply stating that when you start something with a woman, more often than not SOMEONE out there is feeling like they are getting the short end of the stick. It's not so much "single" or "taken" as much as it is varying degrees of "not exactly single".

 

[Mr.Positive]

I suppose I just automatically assume that most men do not pursue married women. If a guy is a "natural" and attracts a married chick, he has a passive role, at least in the attraction phase. the guy who uses his "skills" to seduce a married woman is doing so with intent.

IMO these are two different men. I will not judge a man who purposefully tries to seduce a married woman just for a piece of ass, but I'm not that guy.

Like I said though, it has been my experience that the vast majority of the time the wife is throwing it out there, basically BEGGING for it. .

I agree with you here Str8up...a married woman that's looking for an affair will find it, and it is her doing the choosing.

However, if a man does try to purposely seduce my wife (if was married, and she was NOT seeking to cheat), I would take that as a clear sign of lack of respect to me personally.

If a man disrespects me, I'll "toe the line" so to speak.

 

[ketostix]

I don't think that was Keto's intention at all. He was simply stating that when you start something with a woman, more often than not SOMEONE out there is feeling like they are getting the short end of the stick. It's not so much "single" or "taken" as much as it is varying degrees of "not exactly single".

Exactly, I wasn't justifying fukking a married woman so much as I was saying if the married woman is putting herself out there then a ONS stand with her isn't really any different than if she was single with some guy devoted and commited to her, which is invariably the case.

 

[ketostix]

...a married woman that's looking for an affair will find it, and it is her doing the choosing.

However, if a man does try to purposely seduce my wife (if was married, and she was NOT seeking to cheat), I would take that as a clear sign of lack of respect to me personally.

If a man disrespects me, I'll "toe the line" so to speak.

And I totally agree with you here. There are guys who will seduce a woman emotionally when she was not seeking to cheat and this is a totally different matter. There are some people out there, male and female, who will attempt to get inside your wife's/girlfriend's head emotionally not just to have sex with her as much as to just separate her from you for no good reason.

 

[STR8UP]

There are some people out there, male and female, who will attempt to get inside your wife's/girlfriend's head emotionally not just to have sex with her as much as to just separate her from you for no good reason.

And the funny thing is.......it is mostly WOMEN who would do something like this!

Guys don't care about a challenge for a challenge or psychological warfare, they want a piece of ASS.

 

[ketostix]

Frankly i don't give a **** what a girl does when I am dating her. Its when she lies and covers things up that bother me. Plus there are STDs that condoms don't prevent. And I hate when a women is using men's infidelity as an excuse for her promiscuity. I know someone like thAT. she started out as a good girl, rough upbringing, had some bad experiences with men, turned 30 conveniently became an Attention Wh0re and deep down loves it, except when called out on it. guess its the whole I love c0ck but society can't except it thing. Which is fine. Just don't be delusional, lie about it, and blame it on men sleeping around. own it. As for kestoxix it seems like in the same way he is justifying his actions by what other people do.

You are talking about different things. I've never justified secretly breaking a commitment you made with someone. As a matter of fact I said doing that was a different matter. But it was the married woman who did that. I never justified fukking a married woman either per se. What I said was fukking a single girl is not automatically any more justifiable or should I say unjustifiable than fukking a married woman who is breaking a commitment and putting her pvssy out there on a platter. What I said is the main reason to justify not fukking a married woman in a situation like this is basically the same for not fukking a single girl.

So what I'm saying is regardless of her title, married, has a BF, or single, she isn't really committed. I think what you are saying is the difference is the married or in a relationship girl is more likely secretly breaking a commitment. The key thing is she's the one secretly breaking the commitment and is doing that regardless if someone else fukks her or not.

 

[ketostix]

I'm so confused lol it's like a riddle

That's what happens when you look deeper than a status like married, in a relationship or single lol.

A girl with the status of married, in a relationship, or single who is having a ONS for all intents and purposes isn't committed. In any of the three statuses she has someone who is commited to her. So the only real difference between a single girl and a married one is the likely assumption she is secretly to her guy not committed. But she's the one breaking the commitment and has already done so whether or not another guy fukks her.

 

[ketostix]

Dude..........what? are you saying that a married girl screws around on the low and a ONS chick has a guy commited to her? IF you don't mind completly break this whole thing down.

I'm saying a married chick and a single chick both having a ONS has someone commited to her and she's usually doing it on the down low either way, and neither is commited to the guy who is commited to her. I've already broke all that down. I don't know how I could break it down anymore than that.

 

[iqqi]

I'm saying a married chick and a single chick both having a ONS has someone commited to her and she's usually doing it on the down low either way, and neither is commited to the guy who is commited to her. I've already broke all that down. I don't know how I could break it down anymore than that.

Lol. Don't try to make sense of it, sosilky. It doesn't make sense, because if a chick is single, that means she is not committed. That is what being single means. So no, she does not have a guy who is committed to her.

Discussion followed by agreement to commit = not single.

No discussion, no agreement, no commitment = single.

Are you trying to say that all single chicks have a guy who wants to be her boyfriend, and so therefor she isn't single?

 

[guru1000]

Same thing for guys or girls who have a girlfriend/boyfriend. Their cheating rate is probably over 50%.

Funny, I have had many exclusive relationships. Yet not 1 has ever cheated on me.

I choose QUALITY rather than QUANTITY.

Is it the way I DIRECT them or their quality?

I am good but not that good. If 50% was a REAL number, it would pertain to the LOW QUALITY woman.

If your options are limited, you may eventually settle for lower quality women. Then your statistics of 50% or higher will remain true for ALL men.

I am not so hubris to say I AM SO GOOD that all women do not cheat on me. Rather I say, I CHOOSE quality and set STANDARDS of who I will accept.

Anyone can say YES to p*ssy. The more you CHOOSE rather than to get CHOSEN shows the amount of tangible/intangible options you have.

The STANDARDS you set within yourself will ultimately manifest itself into your CHOICE of woman.

Very will understand this concept and will continually live the self-fulfilling prophecy of the low quality female. Using only his perception as the TRUTH, he will have a JADED view of women as a whole. This my friend is the NAKED TRUTH.

 

[Mr.Positive]

Funny, I have had many exclusive relationships. Yet not 1 has ever cheated on me.

I choose QUALITY rather than QUANTITY.

Is it the way I DIRECT them or their quality?

I am good but not that good. If 50% was a REAL number, it would pertain to the LOW QUALITY woman.

I have never been cheated on either.

I personally think the 50% figure was literally grabbed out of someone's ass. Yes, women can cheat, in fact, I think it's in some part due to their nature.

However, this is why we have this site. We can choose quality women, and weed out low-quality. This puts us ahead of 90% of guys out there bumbling through life as AFC. We take control of our lives. And we control what women are part of our lives.

If you have a quality woman in your life, and you are a true "dj", she will never cheat because she will not want to risk losing you.

 

[ketostix]

Funny, I have had many exclusive relationships. Yet not 1 has ever cheated on me.

See right there is the mistake. How do you know no woman has cheated on you? You only believe they didn't but you never know. Unless you have the woman under close surveillance 24 hours aday, you'll never know for sure.
I need str8up's take on this.

I choose QUALITY rather than QUANTITY.

Is it the way I DIRECT them or their quality?

I am good but not that good. If 50% was a REAL number, it would pertain to the LOW QUALITY woman.

If your options are limited, you may eventually settle for lower quality women. Then your statistics of 50% or higher will remain true for ALL men.

I am not so hubris to say I AM SO GOOD that all women do not cheat on me. Rather I say, I CHOOSE quality and set STANDARDS of who I will accept.

Anyone can say YES to p*ssy. The more you CHOOSE rather than to get CHOSEN shows the amount of tangible/intangible options you have.

The STANDARDS you set within yourself will ultimately manifest itself into your CHOICE of woman.

Very will understand this concept and will continually live the self-fulfilling prophecy of the low quality female. Using only his perception as the TRUTH, he will have a JADED view of women as a whole. This my friend is the NAKED TRUTH.

I never say that some women are not less likely to cheat than others are. But to say you can always tell which ones won't cheat and you can always tell if they did or didn't cheat is pretty unrealistic.

 

[ketostix]

I have never been cheated on either.

Same thing I said to guru, you'll never know for sure.

I personally think the 50% figure was literally grabbed out of someone's ass. Yes, women can cheat, in fact, I think it's in some part due to their nature.

I don't think 50% is too overinflated.

However, this is why we have this site. We can choose quality women, and weed out low-quality. This puts us ahead of 90% of guys out there bumbling through life as AFC. We take control of our lives. And we control what women are part of our lives.

If you have a quality woman in your life, and you are a true "dj", she will never cheat because she will not want to risk losing you.

Now we're going from the topic of ethics of a guy having ONS with a married woman into what a woman would do in a relationship IF she's high "quality" and IF he's a "DJ". Well there's a lot of ifs and qualifiers in that statement.

 

[STR8UP]

I need str8up's take on this.

You know, I started to type a response myself, but I deleted it because no matter what you say or do, some guys will never learn.

This whole "quality" woman debate has been beat to death. No use trying to make arrogance see logic.

To say "No woman has ever cheated on ME" is laughable.

It may be true, but chances are if you have been in more than one relationship for more than two weeks it HAS happened to you, whether you know it or not. And at the VERY minimum, one or more of your girls has engaged in behavior unbecoming of a "girlfriend".

I posted a long time ago about my experiences with girls with boyfriends. And all anyone can do is say "It's because you hang out with tramps and wh0res!". Whatever. I know the majority of people I associate with are the same kinds of people all of the "Quality Woman" zealots do, and from what I have seen, when the cat's away, the mouse will play.

 

[guru1000]

You know, I started to type a response myself, but I deleted it because no matter what you say or do, some guys will never learn.

This whole "quality" woman debate has been beat to death. No use trying to make arrogance see logic.

To say "No woman has ever cheated on ME" is laughable.

It may be true, but chances are if you have been in more than one relationship for more than two weeks it HAS happened to you, whether you know it or not. And at the VERY minimum, one or more of your girls has engaged in behavior unbecoming of a "girlfriend".

I posted a long time ago about my experiences with girls with boyfriends. And all anyone can do is say "It's because you hang out with tramps and wh0res!". Whatever. I know the majority of people I associate with are the same kinds of people all of the "Quality Woman" zealots do, and from what I have seen, when the cat's away, the mouse will play.

It is important when having a difference in opinion to remain totally objective and not let arrogance override logic. That I can agree with.

Truth be told, I have many friends. I have seen women cheat on alot of them. The majority of them are AFC by nature.

I also have a select group of friends like myself that are natural MEN. We are the guys that go out there in the trenches and life has never really come easy. Let's call us the MEN of the bunch.

The women present and our x's have NEVER cheated on us.

If I have a point of reference to see cheating women vs non cheating women than I am remaining objective.

One common denominator I have seen is besides being real MEN, we also CHOOSE quality women.

Hey, I am a realist. I see cheating women.

Can you say you have ever met a guy who has a good track record? Have you ever met a woman who has never cheated?

Could you EXTRACT the truth from a woman to know the difference?

 

[Mr.Positive]

I posted a long time ago about my experiences with girls with boyfriends. And all anyone can do is say "It's because you hang out with tramps and wh0res!". Whatever. I know the majority of people I associate with are the same kinds of people all of the "Quality Woman" zealots do, and from what I have seen, when the cat's away, the mouse will play.

Str8up, people, by nature, will gamble what they can afford to lose.

If a woman is with you, and you are the top, prize, man, she will not want to "gamble" and take the chance of losing you.

This is what all men need to realize. By leading the relationship in a direction where cheating is a "lose all" situation, both the man, and woman, will know what can be lost when cheating occurs.

Bottom line, if a woman cheats on you, you are either not setting firm boundaries in the relationship, or you are not the prize.

Lead the direction you want to go.

 

[hithard]

Str8up, people, by nature, will gamble what they can afford to lose.

If a woman is with you, and you are the top, prize, man, she will not want to "gamble" and take the chance of losing you.

This is what all men need to realize. By leading the relationship in a direction where cheating is a "lose all" situation, both the man, and woman, will know what can be lost when cheating occurs.

Bottom line, if a woman cheats on you, you are either not setting firm boundaries in the relationship, or you are not the prize.

Lead the direction you want to go.

This post probably sums it up for most guys on this board. We know the basics and really it’s through our own laziness or complacency that we get cheated on. However the general AFC male pop has no real idea about relationship dynamics and cops a good beating. Which is where ketostix % would hold true.

 

[Victory Unlimited]

I have some QUESTIONS:

If a man truly believes that actually ever encountering a "single" woman is now a MYTH, could that indeed now function as a "mask" that he conveniently wears out of a lower form of "self-preservation?

And could this "mask" be something that prevents him from confronting what could possibly be more personally FEARFUL concepts like HIS OWN approach anxiety, HIS OWN bad experiences with women (whether they be HER fault or his), OR, HIS OWN "bitterness" over what he considers past personal or strategic relationship-building failures?

And no matter WHAT the answers to those questions may be:

What is the ENDGAME to this mode of thinking------this declaration that single women are NOW mythical?

 

[ketostix]

It is important when having a difference in opinion to remain totally objective and not let arrogance override logic. That I can agree with.

Truth be told, I have many friends. I have seen women cheat on alot of them. The majority of them are AFC by nature.

I also have a select group of friends like myself that are natural MEN. We are the guys that go out there in the trenches and life has never really come easy. Let's call us the MEN of the bunch.

The women present and our x's have NEVER cheated on us.

If I have a point of reference to see cheating women vs non cheating women than I am remaining objective.

One common denominator I have seen is besides being real MEN, we also CHOOSE quality women.

Hey, I am a realist. I see cheating women.

Can you say you have ever met a guy who has a good track record? Have you ever met a woman who has never cheated?

Could you EXTRACT the truth from a woman to know the difference?

I'm still trying to figure out how this thread got turned into a discussion about whether a woman will cheat and her quality. Anyway, of course you're going to see women cheating on other guys and your not going to see your woman or your best friends' women cheating. But that doesn't necessarly mean your woman is different and isn't ever cheating. Women aren't that stupid and neither are the guys she may cheat with to do it right under your nose. Most likely person to be cheating with your girl is you're own buddy. Point is women are surreptitious by nature, and when they're cheating even more so.

I find it hard to believe guru that you spin plates yet these high quality women aren't cheaters and are too stupid to see you aren't fully committing to them.

 

[iqqi]

I find it hard to believe guru that you spin plates yet these high quality women aren't cheaters and are too stupid to see you aren't fully committing to them.

It's called dating, which means you are not committed, and its not cheating. How can someone cheat on someone, when they aren't committed?

BTW, commitment is an agreement.... not an assumption or a default.