The most effective martial art is

[Trinitron]

I think anyone who posts a thread on the theorectical effectivness of martial arts in an unspecified situation without; extensive knowledge of the aforementioned subject(s), real world expericance of aforementioned subjects and a important new set of discussion points. Should have IP address permanently banned and account disabled.

 

[bigjohnson]

I think anyone who gets their panties in a twist over a dumb thread should learn to write in complete sentences before crying about aforementioned dumb thread.

I think anyone who posts a thread on the theorectical effectivness of martial arts in an unspecified situation without; extensive knowledge of the aforementioned subject(s), real world expericance of aforementioned subjects and a important new set of discussion points.

 

[Interceptor]

An 'effective' martial art is only as 'effective' as the person doing it.

 

[lookyoung]

An 'effective' martial art is only as 'effective' as the person doing it.

Totally disagree with this statement. Certain arts are more effective than others. Do you think Royce gracie could have defeated Kimo if he was a karate blackbelt. Do you think that all the Gracie family would be practically undefeated in the first 7 years of mma because they were just lucky.

No the truth is they were able to beat stronger and bigger opponents because of there style brazilian jiu-jitsu.

 

[Rhoto]

Totally disagree with this statement. Certain arts are more effective than others. Do you think Royce gracie could have defeated Kimo if he was a karate blackbelt. Do you think that all the Gracie family would be practically undefeated in the first 7 years of mma because they were just lucky.

No the truth is they were able to beat stronger and bigger opponents because of there style brazilian jiu-jitsu.

But this is a ring based fight, and now you have to know Jujitsu to be competitive in MMA.

Could Gracie beat Rampage Jackson? Ernesto Hoost? A young Tyson?

 

[Bible_Belt]

Theoretically, yes, but those would all still be great fights.

 

[lookyoung]

But this is a ring based fight, and now you have to know Jujitsu to be competitive in MMA.

Could Gracie beat Rampage Jackson? Ernesto Hoost? A young Tyson?

Gracie would get his ass kicked against rampage jackson. The fight would go 3 minutes tops. I believe gracie would have beat a young tyson. You have to have a ground game and if you don't your going to get beat.

When royce gracie was beating guys with his bjj it was weak bjj. It was very basic. Only the gracie family knew about it so the competition was weak. Royce Gracie's jiu-jitsu was probably at the level of an average purple belt today.

Royce would get killed against the top bjj guys of today. Now its mma. The days of style vs. Style are over. These guys incorporate the most effective arts which are

Greco roman wrestling for takedowns.
boxing to work on hands.
Muy thai for clinching and kicks, knees and elbow.
Bjj for ground fighting.


This is all you need to be a complete figher. Judo is also a good art to learn.

 

[The Inside Man]

I love the proliferation of martial arts experts since MMA is becoming more pop culture. Your previous post is uneducated speculation, your knowledge of any martial art seems suspect.

Before discussing any of this you have to discuss the context. Are you talking about which martial art is more effective in a ring, in a cage, on the street, against an armed opponent, against a grappler, against a striker?

The four arts you mentioned are the minimum of what you need to be a good MMA fighter, except replace Greco Roman with collegiate/scholastic wrestling. Greco Roman wrestling is only for upper body throws, as in traditional greco you are not allowed to grab below the waist.

So no, Greco Roman is not effective for takedowns at all because you are not permitted to go for any kind of single or double leg takedown in that sport. It is vey effective for upper body throws and learning to position yourself with underhooks and overhooks.

Scholastic/collegiate and freestyle (yes there is a difference in these as well) are effective for learning takedowns and takedown defense.

Your post is filled with generalizations not based on fact. Do a search there is another 8 page thread just like this, except not as retarded.

 

[lookyoung]

I love the proliferation of martial arts experts since MMA is becoming more pop culture. Your previous post is uneducated speculation, your knowledge of any martial art seems suspect.

Before discussing any of this you have to discuss the context. Are you talking about which martial art is more effective in a ring, in a cage, on the street, against an armed opponent, against a grappler, against a striker?

The four arts you mentioned are the minimum of what you need to be a good MMA fighter, except replace Greco Roman with collegiate/scholastic wrestling. Greco Roman wrestling is only for upper body throws, as in traditional greco you are not allowed to grab below the waist.

So no, Greco Roman is not effective for takedowns at all because you are not permitted to go for any kind of single or double leg takedown in that sport. It is vey effective for upper body throws and learning to position yourself with underhooks and overhooks.

Scholastic/collegiate and freestyle (yes there is a difference in these as well) are effective for learning takedowns and takedown defense.

Your post is filled with generalizations not based on fact. Do a search there is another 8 page thread just like this, except not as retarded.

lol you must be a karate blackbelt. The best martial arts are the ones you train 100% and the arts I listed above you train 100%. A great mma fighter will beat a great martial artist in the street or in the ring. Kung fu guys can't train 100% because there art is too deadly . The cage is the closest thing to a street fight you will see in any dojo.

Actually getting underhooks is very important. Greco Roman wrestilng is better for a streetfight and I think a little better for a cage fight than free style.

It is based on fact look on youtube and you will see 100 street fights with bjj. And see how effective it is. We won't see kungfu because it is too deadly

Ps you can take a guy down with your upperbody. Ever seen a guy get suplexed on his neck.

 

[The Inside Man]

Totally disagree with this statement. Certain arts are more effective than others.

This attitude is very common among beginners who get very excited about a particular art.



This quote below is from BANDO, a martial art you probably have never heard of but has it's roots on the border of Burma(Myanmar) and Thailand where Muay-Thai developed. To break it down for you it is Burmese Bareknuckle Kickboxing. Althought it is my favorite martial art I have trained out of 7, I do not have the false illusion that it is more effective than any other art. The best martial art is the one you create after 10+ years experience in many different martial arts, because then it truly becomes an ART, in which you take the most effective techniques from the other styles and apply them to your own personal style, tailored to your individual strengths and weaknesses.


I just looked up the other thread, you are all over it saying BJJ is the best most effective blah blah...why did you bring this redundant subject up again?

And you have obviously never been in a fight situation where you are outnumbered 2, 3, or 4 to 1 because then BJJ becomes almost completely useless.

This is not my work at all, this was given to me by my instructor.

--BANDO MOTTO: No one nation has a monopoly of the sunlight. No one religion, race, culture or system has a monopoly of the truth. The Bando Discipline alone does not hold the truth of the martial arts. It is but one of the many disciplines in search of the truth.--

cont'd
The translation of Bando (Ban-Do) means "The way of discipline". To make progress toward perfection of the martial (fighting) arts of Bando, one must become aware of and meet the demands of self discipline. Along the paths of self discipline, one will learn about the elements of Self: the Body, the Mind, and the Spirit(Soul). The ultimate goal is to develop perfect harmony of these elements. The first step towards discipline and self defense is controlling one's inner emotions, one's behavior etc. The key is to learn, train, develop, and refine FULLY and EQUALLY the Body, Mind, and Spirit (Soul). As one is able to adapt to these principles, the progress in the martial arts as well as life in general will be astounding. There are many phases in depth to the philosophy of Bando, and they go hand in hand with the development of the many fighting forms in it. The basics of the learning and teaching in Bando is upon the realization that there is no "One True Way".

You're welcome.

 

[The Inside Man]

I never argued for kung fu or karate, they are not effective in a practical fight situation. Yeah I wrestled for a state ranked school for 3 years, broke someones arm my first day of practice. When referring to takedowns, that means using their legs or lower body for a trip or double or single leg. Upper body takedowns are not called takedowns they are called THROWS. Since you didn't actually ever wrestle there is no way you would have known that though, so I'll let you go back to your fantasy mma playland. I won't interrupt with any more facts or knowledge.

 

[lookyoung]

This attitude is very common among beginners who get very excited about a particular art.
This is from BANDO, a martial art you probably have never heard of but has it's roots on the border of Burma(Myanmar) and Thailand where Muay-Thai developed. To break it down for you it is Burmese Bareknuckle Kickboxing. Althought it is my favorite martial art I have trained out of 7, I do not have the false illusion that it is more effective than any other art. The best martial art is the one you create after 10+ years experience in many different martial arts, because then it truly becomes an ART, in which you take the most effective techniques from the other styles and apply them to your own personal style, tailored to your individual strengths and weaknesses.


I just looked up the other thread, you are all over it saying BJJ is the best most effective blah blah...why did you bring this redundant subject up again?

And you have obviously never been in a fight situation where you are outnumbered 2, 3, or 4 to 1 because then BJJ becomes almost completely useless.

I have been in many street fights but all before I started bjj. No art is effective against 4 opponents that are really trying to hurt you. Lets see you fight 4 guys that are really trying to hurt you I guarantee you would get raped.

I agree with you that bjj against multiple opponents is not the most effective martial art. But no art is truly effective against multiple opponents.

 

[lookyoung]

I never argued for kung fu or karate, they are not effective in a practical fight situation. Yeah I wrestled for a state ranked school for 3 years, broke someones arm my first day of practice. When referring to takedowns, that means using their legs or lower body for a trip or double or single leg. Upper body takedowns are not called takedowns they are called THROWS. Since you didn't actually ever wrestle there is no way you would have known that though, so I'll let you go back to your fantasy mma playland. I won't interrupt with any more facts or knowledge.

You wrestled for a state school yet you call it collegiate wrestling. Its called freestyle you idiot. Freestyle wrestlers practice grecoroman also in the off season. Its obvious your a very harsh person and don't know what the fvck you are talking about. lol by the way how did you break the guys arm tough guy. I usually don't like breaking peoples arms in practice. That shows your a great martial artist. BTW I love catching wrestlers when they go for a take down via the guilotine.


I have wrestled with wrestlers and I have the most respect for there art. They are the strongest motherfvckers are hard as hell to sweep and from what I heard there training is brutal. They are very intense.

 

[ValleyDJing]

I think the real question here is where the hell are you supposed to learn some of these obscure fighting styles? Sure, anyone can go to a local gym and learn to box, or hit up the nearest Karate place and get your fill of Tae Kwon Do or Judo or whatever.

My real question, and pardon me if I sound sarcastic, but I'm truly interested in knowing...where the hell are you supposed to learn Israeli Krav whatever?! You guys throw these specialized martial arts titles out there...but honestly, I've never ever seen a sign advertising, "Learn Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu!" or "Fight like an Israeli warrior!" Somebody wanna clue me in here?

 

[The Inside Man]

I have been in many street fights but all before I started bjj. No art is effective against 4 opponents that are really trying to hurt you. Lets see you fight 4 guys that are really trying to hurt you I guarantee you would get raped.

I agree with you that bjj against multiple opponents is not the most effective martial art. But no art is truly effective against multiple opponents.

Google Mike Vallely or look up the video on ebaums world where the boxer knocks out 6-10 people who ganged up on him.

In response to your other statement, it is a matter of semantics, but you are still incorrect. If referring to high school wrestling in season, it is called scholastic wrestling. If it is college wrestling in season, it is ....collegiate, yep you guessed it.

You are the idiot, because freestyle and greco are two different styles that are BOTH practiced in the offseason. Scholastic or collegiate depending on whether it is HS or college is what's practiced DURING season. NUMB NUTS.

I can be a harsh person with people who act like they know wrestling when it's obvious they've never had a match.

It is extremely easy to catch a wrestler in a guillotine who doesn't know what he's doing. Very hard against one who is trained in submissions and submission defense.... like me :wave: An inside trip takedown is all that's needed to avoid the common guillotine choke used against traditional double or single leg takedowns.

BTW I broke his arm by slamming him, and I didn't mean to do it. But it still happened, so I can brag about it.

There, I'm finished. Now shut your mouth and soak up that knowledge before you post anything else.

 

[lookyoung]

Google Mike Vallely or look up the video on ebaums world where the boxer knocks out 6-10 people who ganged up on him.

In response to your other statement, it is a matter of semantics, but you are still incorrect. If referring to high school wrestling in season, it is called scholastic wrestling. If it is college wrestling in season, it is ....collegiate, yep you guessed it.

You are the idiot, because freestyle and greco are two different styles that are BOTH practiced in the offseason. Scholastic or collegiate depending on whether it is HS or college is what's practiced DURING season. NUMB NUTS.

I can be a harsh person with people who act like they know wrestling when it's obvious they've never had a match.

It is extremely easy to catch a wrestler in a guillotine who doesn't know what he's doing. Very hard against one who is trained in submissions and submission defense.... like me :wave: An inside trip takedown is all that's needed to avoid the common guillotine choke used against traditional double or single leg takedowns.

BTW I broke his arm by slamming him, and I didn't mean to do it. But it still happened, so I can brag about it.

There, I'm finished. Now shut your mouth and soak up that knowledge before you post anything else.

Its obvious you don't know anything about martial arts and you act like you do you fvcking tool. I will tell you what go to your local bjj school and roll with a black belt. You know what roll with a couple of white belts with a few stripes you will have a newfound respect for the art and will think to yourself I thought I knew everything but didn't know nothing.

Bjj has shown to be the most effective martial art. It is plain as day. I believe what I see. 10 years ago a tkd blackbelt was your hero. The gracies revolutionized martial arts. If it wasn't for them we would all have your mentality. BTW if you live in the Chicago area PM me i would be glad to show you a thing or two. BTW I can be pretty harsh against people that act like they know bjj yet never rolled in there life.

 

[The Inside Man]

I've rolled plenty, my best friend and training partner is the gracie nationals amateur 205 pound champ in 2007 that took place in Columbus Ohio. Belts don't mean ****, he trains catch wrestling so he doesn't have any belts and beat the f uck out of 12 guys who all had belts in BJJ. Thats 12 guys in one night in case you missed that. And he was also a state wrestler before he got into catch (submission) wrestling.

I can armbar with the best of em. I live in southern florida, but would glady roll with you if you ever come down here.

You're just pissed because I systematically pointed out the glaring mistakes in your logic and your assesment of wrestling styles. Just like in fighting, you have to know when to tap.

BJJ is the most effective martial art in your eyes only. Interceptor and BB's response to your other thread, along with the knowledge I shared with you(that you should be thanking me for), should be enough for you to get off the comp and get some sleep. I am. I will gladly take you up on any style of fighting if you come to south florida, I am not going to be going into the frozen north any time soon.

Resorting to personal challenges is also indicative of how **** ty your arguments are. But I will take you up on it anyway

 

[lookyoung]

I've rolled plenty, my best friend and training partner is the gracie nationals amateur 205 pound champ in 2007 that took place in Columbus Ohio. Belts don't mean ****, he trains catch wrestling so he doesn't have any belts and beat the f uck out of 12 guys who all had belts in BJJ. Thats 12 guys in one night in case you missed that. And he was also a state wrestler before he got into catch (submission) wrestling.

I can armbar with the best of em. I live in southern florida, but would glady roll with you if you ever come down here.

You're just pissed because I systematically pointed out the glaring mistakes in your logic and your assesment of wrestling styles. Just like in fighting, you have to know when to tap.

BJJ is the most effective martial art in your eyes only. Interceptor and BB's response to your other thread, along with the knowledge I shared with you(that you should be thanking me for), should be enough for you to get off the comp and get some sleep. I am. I will gladly take you up on any style of fighting if you come to south florida, I am not going to be going into the frozen north any time soon.

Resorting to personal challenges is also indicative of how **** ty your arguments are. But I will take you up on it anyway

You moron the gracie championship doesn't take place in ohio.They take place in LA. There is no 205 pound weight division in Grappling tournaments you fvcking phony. You must be talking about naga in ohio. In bjj belts do mean something. Roll with a blackbelt. I don't care if the guy is 50 years old he would kick your azz. Now shoo you fvcking pest. I will not come down to south florida to take some idiot on who does not know crap about fighting.

You fvcking idiot your friend will not beat twelve guys in one day at a tournament. Even if the division is stacked you will fight 6 fights at the most. You just proved yourself to be a liar. I can't stand liars and I am done with you you fvcking pest.

 

[bigjohnson]

Totally disagree with this statement. Certain arts are more effective than others. Do you think Royce gracie could have defeated Kimo if he was a karate blackbelt.

Do you think that an organized match is in any way similar to a real street fight?

 

[Skel]

I use avoidfu and runjitzu. I also practice the art of bigfriendskido