The Jedi Bootcamp Journal.

[Luke Skywalker]

Inspired by the Bootcamps on here, and Svengali's Newbie mission, I've decided that I'm going to start my own bootcamp, and if anyone wants to join, they are more then welcome to post on this thread.

It seems that I have WAY too much approach anxiety and I'm going to deal with that now.

This is also along with other 'Bootcamps' such as weight lifting and building muscles, and of course, other agendas of improvement as they come up.

Now here's another deal: I'm a Real-Estate agent, and I have to give out cards to people to promote my business. I'm not sure if business can be mixed with this stuff, but I'm not sure. For now, I'm keeping the 'compartments' seperate, especially as I may be changing offices.

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HERE WE GO, WEEK ONE --

---- STAY AWAY FROM PARENTS - IN ANY OUTSIDE VENUE FOR AT LEAST 6 HOURS BY MYSELF, FOR AT LEAST TWO DAYS, IN A TARGET RICH ENVIRONMENT. DO ANYTHING I WANT, LOOK, STARE, APPROACH, NOTHING, ANYTHING.

---- AFTER THIS: FULL BLOWN AND SAY HI TO LIKE as many women as possible. THEY DONT HAVE TO SAY 'HI' BACK - POINTS ARE MADE ON EFFORT, BUT THE 'HI'S HAVE TO BE 'AUDIBLE' ENOUGH THAT THEY ARE LIKELY TO HEAR.

IF I SAY HI TO A GROUP OF WOMEN, THEN I GET BONUS POINTS FOR ALL THE WOMEN IN THE GROUP, (EG, SAY HI TO A GROUP OF 8 WOMEN ONCE, MEANS 8 HI'S - THE STATEMENT 'HI LADIES' WOULD BE MADE IN THAT SENCE' - 1:8 DEAL, ETC...)

BUMPING INTO WOMEN, OR INTERRUPTING THEIR WALK IS DEBATABLE BUT IF THERE IS A REAL PROBLEM APPROACHING, AND DESPERATION ABOUNDS, THEN THIS METHOD COULD BE SUBSTITUTED FOR A 'HI', ON UP TO FIVE APPROACHES ONLY.


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ALLOCATED TIME: AT LEAST 2 HOURS A DAY AT A MALL ** WITHOUT PARENTS AROUND ** NO EXEMPTIONS ON ANY DAY.

WILL REPORT ON RESULTS OF THIS THREAD AT THE END OF THE WEEK.

 

[ApC23]

k i'll start with you too...this is my second try at this ****, i stopped at week 2 before.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Cool. Great, we are going to have an AWESOME bootcamp.

Let's see if we can dedicate six hours to stay in a mall or some place, hang around the food court, book stores, clothing stores, or just walk around or whatever for the weekend. This is warm-up two days. If you live with parents, stay away from them for at least 6 hours, and stay by yourself.

During this 6 hour period tommorow and Sunday, try to lock into eye contact and keep it. You can do one of two things.

1) You can take both your hands, and roll your eye balls up to your skull so the whites of your eyes are showing as the girls pass by, and stick out your tongue at the same time.

2) You can smile at girl as she is passing.

Ideally, I will use the 2nd method, but if too many people are breaking contact before you do, or not taking your on, then try 1 a few times too, but not more than say on four or five people.

OTHER EXERCISES: (where 'hi's are not necessary)

- You see a HB you want to talk to, go up next to her and just stand there, dont say anything, dont do anything, see if you can hold your postion for about a minute before she laughs or goes in another direction.

- Go up to an HB, or group of HB's on a table, and sit on a chair in the vicinity of them. Practise sitting on different chairs around the mall and food court, and see how close you can put yourself to an hb or a set.


On Monday, we'll start with the harder elements - 'the hi blitz'

 

[ApC23]

dude, 6 hours? thats loonggg time lol

 

[Luke Skywalker]

dude, 6 hours? thats loonggg time lol

Not every day. Monday to Friday next week will only be 2 hours.

This weekend, Saturday and Sunday try to see if you can do the 6 hour mark, the point is just to stay away from parents for 6 hours during this 'warm-up' time. You dont have to approach and talk to anyone, you are just working on eye-locking, adjusting your position to go close to a hb whether sitting down, standing or walking, or going up to her and saying nothing. These should be easy exercises. If you feel bored or frustrated on this time, then you can always advance to the next level, say 'hi', start convos, close for numbers, whatever you want to do.

But if you still think it's too long, we can abridge it to four hours on this weekend instead of six.

 

[T Square]

Sure...I'm in!

I've been AWOL for a little bit. Time I got back into the community.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Ok, here are the time-line plot elements for tommorow's run.

1) Dress your best.
2) Go to nearest-mall.

4 hours tommorow.

First hour - STAY IN MALL WITHOUT ANY PURPOSE.

- Nobody cares why you are there, relax, just look around and scope around. Sit in one place, get up, sit in another, who cares. Walk around mall until you feel comfortable by yourself. Constantly look around you to see if anyone's watching you, or if anyone cares. Look at other people talk to each other, do they care about their surroundings? See if you can see any guy interacting with a girl, notice how he is doing it, look around, observe, and look.

Second hour - EYE LOCKING EXPERIMENTS in fifteen minute segments.

- First fifteen minutes - look at women in their eyes, but continue looking until they break.
- Second fifteen minutes - same as above, add a smile this time.
- Third fifteen minutes - look at woman in their eyes, break it immediately, re-establish eye contact again, see if they are looking again.
- Fourth fifteen minutes - repeat, look at women in their eyes and smile.

Third hour - Semi-Approach practise. If you see any hb you may sit around where she is sitting for about a couple of minutes and scope around. You can go up to an hb and just stand next to her until she laughs or turns away. Do not move from your spot unless she gives in first. Let her start convo with you or ask why you are standing there? If she asks, why you are standing next to her, or any question, or need help, then you can say "I want to know the time, or I need to know how to get to so and so, or I think I know you from somewhere, are you Angela?", and/or just walk away if you cant say anything, and just walk away.

Fourth-hour -- do all of the above exercise, add these few: Bump into a few women by accident (lightly) and say, 'oops' out loud. If a woman is walking opposite, walk on a collision course with her and block her from passing for a second, then walk on the side and let her pass before she can react.

All exercises tommorow are non-verbal approaches, and if anything, it's likely the woman will say something first to some of them. Alright, reporting back tommorow evening to report how I did, and hope everyone on this does same.

 

[Aerospace]

You'll have to excuse me, but that's so pathetic. Can you realise how sad your behaviour is becoming? Love and affection are the easiest things in this world, and you're just ruining your life this way? Why are you inflicting yourself this damage? You should definately meet more people. Start something that will put yourself between other guys, and most importantly other girls. My God, you speak about girls like they're some kind of alien life to analyse. They're just people, fragile and emotional creatures like you are, not enemies to seek and destroy.

I hope that you're a troll and this is all a joke, because phrases like: "Bump into a few women by accident (lightly) and say, 'oops' out loud." are utterly humiliating for yourself and us - when did meeting people naturally become a chore?

What's next? Inventing field reports to teach people how to swallow their food? Or to breathe? Do not over-analyse, but please start living your life. You are inventing all your problems, just go out and have some fun. There is nothing to lose.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

You are either part of the bootcamp or you are against it. So far there are two willing participants. I dont know if you are trying to make a statement against bootcamps in general - but if you have a problem, then you can make your own bootcamp.

You'll have to excuse me, but that's so pathetic. Can you realise how sad your behaviour is becoming? Love and affection are the easiest things in this world, and you're just ruining your life this way? Why are you inflicting yourself this damage?

This is your opinion of a 'bootcamp', eh? Well, there are plenty of threads about bootcamps on here, and this is part of the tradition of this DJ board. Bootcamps help people overcome their fears and social anxieties that may hinder them from approaching women and make them better men in the process.

You should definately meet more people. Start something that will put yourself between other guys, and most importantly other girls. My God, you speak about girls like they're some kind of alien life to analyse. They're just people, fragile and emotional creatures like you are, not enemies to seek and destroy.

Again, this is a bootcamp, designed for Newbies. It's great that you are advanced and all of that, but right now, the main priority for myself, and others in this bootcamp is simply to approach women.

I'm sure, if people on this bootcamp get enough nice responses from the women they are approaching, then they can speak for themselves, and you wont have to speak for them.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

To all bootcamp participants;

Stop reading looking at the internet, and go out there!

I'm proceeding within the hour to go out of this house and start up day one of bootcamp.

 

[ThreeStorms]

Spending 6 hours at a place only trying to meet chicks? On your own? I could not do that. Better said, I tried, and it was awful. I was bored, frustrated and felt like a loser from the first minute. I mean you probably look pathetic walking around for hours looking for women you could talk to. And exactly this thought was in my head all the time, even if I tried to fight it. In fact it WAS pathetic and my "pickup" attempts there have been the worst in my life. Should have at least brought a wingman. Cold pickups, or even just saying Hi to a few women work best if I am doing things that I like, or I have to do (like waiting for the train).

If you can do it yourself without feeling bad, of course go for it, hooray for you. But my advice is to integrate your boot camping into everyday life, where you feel confident and relaxed. So much easier I think.

 

[Tomatoes]

I still think the easist thing for you to do would be to move out....

You would be forced to find new friends....Girls included.

New guy friends would bring on girl potentials.

More importantly its getting you away from your parents.....who im sure you love dearly....but they are holding you back. They are restricting you and holding you in.


Move out.....



Sarge On!

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Interim Outing Report:

Bought myself a small pocket diary, recorded all the hb's (Chocolate, Cinnamon, Vanilla, Exotic HB's) on various page categories, and put a mark per target that passed by, or that I saw in environment. Other categories were 'stationary, moving,' You'll need a diary to record your field reports, outing reports, and to make various calculations on how to position yourself in order to approach the hb.


Approach talk idea for an ethnic hot chick --> "Are you from Egypt? You look very exotic, and I was curious where you are from?'

1 hour --> Over coming social anxiety phobias, like walking in a public place, or most importantly, going into a 'woman's only' store.

Went into a store that selled woman's products, without a thought, jetted inside, pictured myself like a stealth jet doing acrobatics in the air, went through isles and back out -- nobody asked me "what I was doing there?' the greatest phobia of going by myself. Nobody cared. People, for the most part were in their own little worlds to mind what I was doing. Went into two woman's stores and went back out.

Overall, it was a target-rich environment, ethnic hb's were everywhere with plenty of eye-candy to see. However, I'm not too attracted to babes with too much flesh exposed because they dont look like good relationship material.

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Think it's not a wasteful exercise to continue going to public malls to work out any such phobias, as going into a woman's store was the last straw of any phobias of that nature, so I'm closing this from my own bootcamp for tommorow.

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EYE-LOCKING: In the Mall, everyone I tried to eye contact, gazed away from me first, and rather quickly.

You see, again, this is why I dont smile when I eye-lock people, because, I feel like a moron when I smile at them, and they either gaze away, or they gaze away before I have a chance to smile.

It seems, this probably better works if you are specifically targeting someone, and they get vibes you are staring at them or something, because on a random environment like a mall, people look at me and they tune away rather fast.

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I cut off the eye-locking exercises due to the fact:

a) It's difficult to find targets moving in ideal opposite directions, lots of people were shopping, or ahead of me, or many type of positions where an eye-lock would not be possible.

b) Every woman I eye-locked gazed away very fast, like less than half a second or a second at most. Unless they know you, or are some celebrity, then it may be different.

I may resume again tommorow, or at a later time.

Rolling eyes to skull and sticking tongue out wasn't attempted today - but may try that on a few people next time, given the fact the eye-locking has turned out very badly.

Another half hour of eye-locking, and a couple of hours of other non-verbal approach stunts will be deferred to later today or tommorow. If you cant fill the time-quotas, it can be carried forward to the following day, or budgeted as additional time during the week.

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[Luke Skywalker]

I still think the easist thing for you to do would be to move out....

That is not reasonable advice. There are enough homeless people living on the streets enough in this city.

 

[rrrrr]

Luke I don't know what your money position is but I think the best thing for you would be to get a roommate. Try to get one that you think you would get along with and possibly hang out with. This would accomplish 2 things: it would remove the dogma of "living with your parents" and it would give you the opportunity to meet new people.

Also try going to the bar for a few hours. Go up to the bar itself and order a chicken sandwich and beer. Try talking to the bartender. Dude I'm telling you, you HAVE to move out. This is crucial.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke I don't know what your money position is but I think the best thing for you would be to get a roommate. Try to get one that you think you would get along with and possibly hang out with. This would accomplish 2 things: it would remove the dogma of "living with your parents" and it would give you the opportunity to meet new people.

Right, a wing-man roommate.

This is a bootcamp thread in progress. These are great ideas, but they are distracting from the goals of these bootcamps. None of the experiences, or approaches attempts in a bootcamp will make a difference who I'm living with if I still cant approach. So that's the goal for now.

For the other two bootcamp cadets - hope you are doing alright.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Spending 6 hours at a place only trying to meet chicks? On your own? I could not do that. Better said, I tried, and it was awful. I was bored, frustrated and felt like a loser from the first minute.

Those thoughts were coming from yourself, not from the environment, that's the first hour exercise - to realise nobody cares.

I mean you probably look pathetic walking around for hours looking for women you could talk to.

If you analyze the bootcamp exercise carefully, the first two days and possibly third if you are forwarding hours, is you are not looking for women to talk to. Other calculations are made, such as the amount of hb's, what type of hb's, moving, stationary, targets, c0ckblockers, and you write them all on a diary book. The worst it came to today were eye-locking exercises that went nowhere.

And exactly this thought was in my head all the time, even if I tried to fight it. In fact it WAS pathetic and my "pickup" attempts there have been the worst in my life. Should have at least brought a wingman. Cold pickups, or even just saying Hi to a few women work best if I am doing things that I like, or I have to do (like waiting for the train).

The purpose of bootcamps is to fight what's in your head, you are dealing with people who will dissappear from your life that you wont see again, and you are dealing with your issues in an anonymous sort of way.

If you can do it yourself without feeling bad, of course go for it, hooray for you. But my advice is to integrate your boot camping into everyday life, where you feel confident and relaxed. So much easier I think.

The point of the exercise is you dont have any 'excuse' to hang-on to, why you are at a place. Think of it, if you saw a hb in a woman's clothing store, or somewhere else, that's outside of your parameter, are you going to NEED to buy something in the store, or a real justification to go near the HB in order to ATTEMPT an approach? By going out without an obvious excuse of business or having a 'psychological crutch or security', you are training yourself that people do not care what business you are doing.

The negative thoughts are from yourself, not from others. So, I would encourage people on this bootcamp. It's easy, it's simple, and you dont even have to talk to people in the first couple of days/hours of it, you just work specifically on your mind and deal with thought-issues like this.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Eye-locking theory:

The reason it didn't work for me is because I have a very penetrating type of stare, because I'm a sincere person, and have legal like eyes that can penetrate and look right through people as though they are transparent. Thus, when attempting to stare at a girl, they will naturally be intimidated by my powerful eyes, and that's why it isn't likely to work.

Or, it's very 'target specific', if you really like a specific target and look at her, then she may look back. Further experimentation is needed on this, and definately, an hour and a half is allocated in the program to allow just that.

 

[rocky_mtn]

Luke, also try a Starbucks or another cool local coffee shop. People spend hours there reading, working on their puter and usually alone. You could even bring your computer and type up FRs while you're in the field scoping. The good thing about the coffee shop is you really don't 'approach', rather people are constantly coming in and out and sitting there next to you. For girls, the coffee shop is a pick up place, so it won't be as awkward as say a womens lingerie shop, when a pickup usually isn't appropriate.

Some obvious tricks for the coffe shop are to sit at another table directly across from your target. Don't stare or look when you sit close, but use your peripheral vision to tell if she looks over at you, then make EC and smile. If you get a smile back then you've got an IOI, so 'hi' and an introduction ready to go.

Sit by a window or an area that has open tables next to it. Don't sit oddly facinig the wrong way, especially to stare at a girl. If a single girl sits behind you or at an odd angle, get up, get some napkins, wipe of the table where you were sittting and sit at a different chair so you are facing her direction.

Bring a newspaper and pick out a cool event, after your intro and 'how are you today', mention the event and ask if she likes whatever you picked, like art show, craft fair, movie, concert, horseback riding, something a girl would like. Stay away from livestock shows, monster truck rallies, unless she looks like she would be into that If she says no, then ask what she likes to do for fun and ask her about it. If she says yes, then heres your chance to say that she should join you next weekend to do it. Then get her number. Finish your coffee and tell her that you have to go help your brother in law install a new transmission in his truck and exit.

I'm doing my own bootcamp and this is one of my routines, try it, it works.

Keep up the FRs Luke,

 

[Luke Skywalker]

All, right, ALL BOOTCAMP ADHERENTS, LET'S LISTEN TO ROCKY_MTN AND GO TO THE NEAREST LOCAL COFFEE SHOP/STARBUCKS, AND SIT DOWN AND TRY EYE-LOCKING. BRING A GOOD BOOK TO READ OR A COMPUTER, AND IN THE MORNING, OR CONVENIANT TIME, SIT DOWN FOR AN HOUR OR TWO, AND TRY LOOKING WITH 'PERIPHERAL VISION'.

PRACITSE WITH 'PERIPHERAL VISION', LOOKING AT CORNER OF EYES OF WHO IS STARING AT YOU. TRY THIS PRACTISE FOR A HALF-HOUR TO HOUR TILL YOU GET THE KNACK OF IT.

THEN, IF YOU SEE SOMEONE LOOKING AT YOU PERIPERALLY, OR DIRECTLY, THEN SMILE AT THEM, AND SEE IF THEY SMILE BACK. THIS IS NEW EYE-LOCKING PHASE PRACTISE. If you have the balls to approach, then will be following rocky_mts advice.

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Notice in experience, get better quality eye-locks when at a restaurant, coffee place, but seems to be poor quality at malls, probably due to distractions. Also other theories about malls, is that if a mall is in a run-down area, I think you'll get less eye-locks then if it is in a wealthy area, you may get more eye-locks. Just a theory I was thinking of looking into tommorow, or in the week, go to a prestigious mall and play with eye-locking.

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