The inverse relationship between looks and character

[Colossus]

Perhaps a more appropriate title for this thread may have been "the inverse relationship between looks and other attributes".

This has gone off on a tangent of what character actually is. It is not a currency to be doled out or traded to those one deems worthy. Character is the aggregate of features and traits that form the individual nature of someone---their moral and ethical quality.

Ohhh, I know some of you hate those words. Relativism, right? There is no such thing as 'morals' or 'ethics'; it's all subject to the parties concerned and thier circumstances. Which is another way of saying anything is justifiable depending on the subjective position of the party in question.

What I meant in my original post was that I often see diminishing returns in regards to other attributes--ones I would associate with good character--in women who are higher up on the looks scale. I think the reasons are obvious.

Of course their are 9.5's with sterling character and of course their are 2's with rotten character.

Think of it this way: If you took a random sample of 100 HB9's and 100 HB6's (let's say American women for congruity), you are much more likely to find desirable personality attrubutes (e.g. good character) in the 6 group than you are in the 9 group; just by probablity. There will certainly be some outliers, but our culture lavishes the beauties. When you have been getting unsolicited attention your whole life, why would you find it necessary to alter your behavior?

In other countries I dont know. It think it's probably a totally different story. But I live in America, so that is my sample base.

 

[Vulpine]

True, to a degree.

But there are many times when I'll just try friendly chit chat with a super hot chick, and all I get is attitude which is uncalled for.

Exactly. It would be one thing if you had some intention of trying to hook up and getting the b¡tch shield, it's another thing when you have none of those intentions and still get the sh¡tty attitude.

There's a game we play here at my day job, and I invite all those who can to play along at their jobs as well.

See, I answer a lot of phone calls here. Some people are downright impossible to deal with - I cringe when I hear their voice they are so obnoxious; others are pleasant and a joy to get calls from (there are some that end up just chit-chatting after the work talk is done).

I started asking our courier about them when I picked up on a pattern. After dealing with the customers via the phone, I would ask the courier: "Is she hot?" He'd answer yes or no.

He finally asked why I kept asking. I explained my theory to him, and he laughed, he's noticed the same thing.

This idea we've been discussing manifests itself pretty blatantly even in customer/business relationships. The mediocre chicks are pleasant to deal with: friendly, demure, fallible, realistic. The super hot chicks are a nightmare to deal with: stubborn, rude, snotty, unaccountable, arrogant, and they DEMAND that you to kiss their asses.

Every once in a while, I'll get a surprise when a smokin' hot chick is pleasant - my second question is: "Is she married?" Yep. (Happily) married chicks are nice to deal with. Then there's the case of the 1-3's... they are sometimes just as obnoxious to deal with as the hotties because they are so bitter.

Another thing, the hot women will flat-out ask for a discount, or things completely free even when they are obviously the cause for some sort of mistake. The average women acknowledge when they mess something up, and they generally apologize, not ask for free sh¡t. The sense of entitlement is ridiculous!

These days, I've gotten so good at it, I'll guess +/- 1 HB point...

"Soandso is about a 7, right?"
"Umm... I don't know, I'd say she's closer to an 8."
or..
"Meh, more like a 6."


Try guessing how good looking a woman is strictly by her phone demeanor, you'll get to know just how crappy hot women's character REALLY is. Hot women don't know you, have never seen you, and will still be b¡tches inappropriately... even when you are calling to HELP THEM! They'll do it regardless of what you can do for them.

Oh, and the bars I work at? I could go on for pages and pages about flat-out retarded behavior from 9's I get to watch and take part in and how it contrasts to the friendly and respectful behavior of 5-8's.

I'm going to stand firm on my belief that the hot women have garbage character whereas the average women have good character. I will acknowledge that there could be some exceptions, but I will also think that these exceptions are either in other countries besides the U.S., or recent imports.

 

[SoCalMike]

Exactly. It would be one thing if you had some intention of trying to hook up and getting the b¡tch shield, it's another thing when you have none of those intentions and still get the sh¡tty attitude.

There's a game we play here at my day job, and I invite all those who can to play along at their jobs as well.

See, I answer a lot of phone calls here. Some people are downright impossible to deal with - I cringe when I hear their voice they are so obnoxious; others are pleasant and a joy to get calls from (there are some that end up just chit-chatting after the work talk is done).

I started asking our courier about them when I picked up on a pattern. After dealing with the customers via the phone, I would ask the courier: "Is she hot?" He'd answer yes or no.

He finally asked why I kept asking. I explained my theory to him, and he laughed, he's noticed the same thing.

This idea we've been discussing manifests itself pretty blatantly even in customer/business relationships. The mediocre chicks are pleasant to deal with: friendly, demure, fallible, realistic. The super hot chicks are a nightmare to deal with: stubborn, rude, snotty, unaccountable, arrogant, and they DEMAND that you to kiss their asses.

Every once in a while, I'll get a surprise when a smokin' hot chick is pleasant - my second question is: "Is she married?" Yep. (Happily) married chicks are nice to deal with. Then there's the case of the 1-3's... they are sometimes just as obnoxious to deal with as the hotties because they are so bitter.

Another thing, the hot women will flat-out ask for a discount, or things completely free even when they are obviously the cause for some sort of mistake. The average women acknowledge when they mess something up, and they generally apologize, not ask for free sh¡t. The sense of entitlement is ridiculous!

These days, I've gotten so good at it, I'll guess +/- 1 HB point...

"Soandso is about a 7, right?"
"Umm... I don't know, I'd say she's closer to an 8."
or..
"Meh, more like a 6."


Try guessing how good looking a woman is strictly by her phone demeanor, you'll get to know just how crappy hot women's character REALLY is. Hot women don't know you, have never seen you, and will still be b¡tches inappropriately... even when you are calling to HELP THEM! They'll do it regardless of what you can do for them.

Oh, and the bars I work at? I could go on for pages and pages about flat-out retarded behavior from 9's I get to watch and take part in and how it contrasts to the friendly and respectful behavior of 5-8's.

I'm going to stand firm on my belief that the hot women have garbage character whereas the average women have good character. I will acknowledge that there could be some exceptions, but I will also think that these exceptions are either in other countries besides the U.S., or recent imports.

Excellent examples.

I have had similar experiences.

Here is another example: I was at the bowling alley a few weeks ago with some friends of mine. The bartender there was HOT - 9 or so. But apparently this cvnt figured that being hot as all she needed to get tips. She basically threw our drinks at us, hardly aknowleding our existence, and it was NOT crowded, there was only 1 other dude and girl ordering drinks at the time.

WTF was that all about? We didn't hit on her, we couldn't even talk to her because of the way she was carrying herself. Her whole demeaner just screamed "I'm a b*tch".

Even if she had a bad day, or her boyfriend dumped her, whatever... there is no excuse to act unprofessional and cvnty at your job, or any time you're dealing with strangers.

This type of thing is all too common, it's not a rare thing.

And, don't even get me started on the hot girls I've actually DATED.

The key is to find a woman who you are attracted to, and who you get along well with. Looks are great, but if the personality isn't there to back them up, forget it.

 

[STR8UP]

Once again, you miss the point.

"Wasting character" is a poor choice of words. It's about her not DISPLAYING her character to the guy she isn't interested in.

As Rollo said, there is a difference between a woman being a b!tch, and having a b!tch shield. Just because a woman throws out a filtering mechanism doesn't automatically mean she lacks character.

I remember reading an interview with Vin Diesel where he talks about seeing Stallone in a gym before Diesel was a big star, and when he went up to talk to him Stallone ignored him, and that he was offended at the time, but now he understands.

If a chick isn't attracted to you don't expect her to smile at you, rub your shoulder and say "Thanks, but I'm not interested sweetie". Instead she's going to be short with you to get you on your way.

So in this situation the guy didn't get a chance to SEE her character.

This doesn't excuse downright rude behavior, but to say that a woman who isn't interested in you and doesn't want to talk to you (and acts accordingly) has no character, that's an assumption, not a fact.

Let's say a fatty comes up to ME. How I respond to her is going to be a display of my character. If I am a d¡ckhead to the chick, I'm demonstrating that I have poor character. Whereas, if I am respectful or cordial to the chick, I am demonstrating that I have good character. There is no cause to be evil to a person whose intentions are not malicious. Do I tell the fatties and fuglies, "P¡ss off you fat, ugly cünt"? No, I tell them I'm not interested.

Most guys are going to automatically be more cordial than women, even if we aren't attracted. Most men don't get directly hit on a dozen times a year, let alone a dozen times a week or month like a good looking woman does.

There is no double-standard for women in regards to character. If a guy strolls up to chat with a 9, you are saying that it's acceptable and justified for her to tell the guy: "Get lost, creep." That's a demonstration of character, the guy got to see that she is rude, disrespectful, and arrogant. THAT'S PART OF HER CHARACTER.

You are talking in extremes, which isn't generally what happens. Although I'm sure it does happen sometimes, most of the time it's more of a look the other way and act disinterested thing than "Buzz off LOSER"

 

[SoCalMike]

Once again, you miss the point.

"Wasting character" is a poor choice of words. It's about her not DISPLAYING her character to the guy she isn't interested in.

As Rollo said, there is a difference between a woman being a b!tch, and having a b!tch shield. Just because a woman throws out a filtering mechanism doesn't automatically mean she lacks character.

I remember reading an interview with Vin Diesel where he talks about seeing Stallone in a gym before Diesel was a big star, and when he went up to talk to him Stallone ignored him, and that he was offended at the time, but now he understands.

If a chick isn't attracted to you don't expect her to smile at you, rub your shoulder and say "Thanks, but I'm not interested sweetie". Instead she's going to be short with you to get you on your way.

So in this situation the guy didn't get a chance to SEE her character.

This doesn't excuse downright rude behavior, but to say that a woman who isn't interested in you and doesn't want to talk to you (and acts accordingly) has no character, that's an assumption, not a fact.



Most guys are going to automatically be more cordial than women, even if we aren't attracted. Most men don't get directly hit on a dozen times a year, let alone a dozen times a week or month like a good looking woman does.



You are talking in extremes, which isn't generally what happens. Although I'm sure it does happen sometimes, most of the time it's more of a look the other way and act disinterested thing than "Buzz off LOSER"

There is a lot of truth here, hot women do have to filter out annoying dudes who hit on them.

But what about situations where you're NOT hitting on them? That is what Vulpine and I are talking about.

Like the bartending example I gave. This kind of thing happens to me all the time. Hot chick cashiers, hot chick waitresses, etc etc. Pretty much any time I interact with hot chicks, the attitude is the same, regardless of whether I'm hitting on them or not.

More often than not, the really hot chicks just aren't as cool or down to Earth as the less attractive (but still cute) ones.

Why can't you perceive or accept that reality?

 

[ketostix]

Once again, you miss the point.

"Wasting character" is a poor choice of words. It's about her not DISPLAYING her character to the guy she isn't interested in.

As Rollo said, there is a difference between a woman being a b!tch, and having a b!tch shield. Just because a woman throws out a filtering mechanism doesn't automatically mean she lacks character.

I remember reading an interview with Vin Diesel where he talks about seeing Stallone in a gym before Diesel was a big star, and when he went up to talk to him Stallone ignored him, and that he was offended at the time, but now he understands.

If a chick isn't attracted to you don't expect her to smile at you, rub your shoulder and say "Thanks, but I'm not interested sweetie". Instead she's going to be short with you to get you on your way.

So in this situation the guy didn't get a chance to SEE her character.

This doesn't excuse downright rude behavior, but to say that a woman who isn't interested in you and doesn't want to talk to you (and acts accordingly) has no character, that's an assumption, not a fact.

Exactly hot women sometimes think they have to be harsher because the truth is it's more likely that a guy who approaches her really is interested. If she's not interested the last thing she wants to do is lead the guy on. 6-8 tend to have no qualms with leading a guy on. Besides, 6-8's can be as rude and *****y or more than the hot girls. Now, if the hot girl was interested in you, you'd see her interest and character. She would act totally different.

Most guys are going to automatically be more cordial than women, even if we aren't attracted. Most men don't get directly hit on a dozen times a year, let alone a dozen times a week or month like a good looking woman does.

And I still believe 7-8 get hit on as much or more than the hottest girls. So I don't see them as being more cordial.

You are talking in extremes, which isn't generally what happens. Although I'm sure it does happen sometimes, most of the time it's more of a look the other way and act disinterested thing than "Buzz off LOSER"

Yeah I don't see hot girls as being more rude and harsh when rejecting. Mostly they just won't talk or worse they'll back turn or walk away.

 

[ketostix]

There is a lot of truth here, hot women do have to filter out annoying dudes who hit on them.

But what about situations where you're NOT hitting on them? That is what Vulpine and I are talking about.

Like the bartending example I gave. This kind of thing happens to me all the time. Hot chick cashiers, hot chick waitresses, etc etc. Pretty much any time I interact with hot chicks, the attitude is the same, regardless of whether I'm hitting on them or not.

More often than not, the really hot chicks just aren't as cool or down to Earth as the less attractive (but still cute) ones.

Why can't you perceive or accept that reality?

My experience is women wether hot or not act indifferent unless they're interested in you. I'll agree that it's more likely that a less hot girl would be interested in you. But that's a double-edge sword, she's interested in lots of guys. I don't know maybe things are different in SoCal from where I am or maybe we are talking about different levels of looks. I tend to see the hottest girls as maybe being a little more assertive but more honest in their intentions.

 

[jophil28]

As Rollo said, there is a difference between a woman being a b!tch, and having a b!tch shield. Just because a woman throws out a filtering mechanism doesn't automatically mean she lacks character.

That is a distinction without a difference.

To somehow claim that social "filtering" by acting poorly,snubbing men, speaking in an insulting way is excusable is absurd. It may be common and it may be almost tolerated (expecially by you guys in NTh Aterica) but it is still "being a *****"... A woman's behavior in ANY circumstance will still give you a clear grasp of her character, or lack of it . The circumstances surrounding "*****" behavior are irrelevant. What matters matters is how she conducts herself in a general sense under ANY social setting, not just when conditions suit her enough to be pleasant..

Excusing the "***** shield " is purely just making excuses for awful behavior..

 

[SoCalMike]

My experience is women wether hot or not act indifferent unless they're interested in you.

Not my experience. And I don't think it's just me. Maybe you're a really really good looking guy so hot chicks respond better to you? Or, maybe you're just full of crap? I mean, give us some specifics. How often or how many times have you chatted up/flirted with/joked around with hot chicks? Is it once a month? Once a week? And what are the stats? How many hot chicks respond in a positive way? Laugh, smile, talk/joke back, etc...

For me it's about twice a week. I always make sure to talk to an attractive girl when I get the chance. Like the cute waitress or receptionsist....

Here are the rough stats on how many girls cop attitude or ignore me:

Hot ones 9-10 range: %60
Cute ones 6-8 range: %20

In my experience, it's about three times as likely that the really hot chick will be stuck up/*****y.

It's one thing to start acting that way if the guy is annoying her, by hitting on her constantly, etc. But it's quite another to act that way when someone simply tries some small talk, jokes, or whatever...

I think we're beating a dead horse here. Unless I see some new info I think I'm done with this one...

 

[Juando]

I rolled the dice today.

Went down to the beach at the end of the day just to stick my feet in the water
and there's a superhottie doing her stretches. Incredible body.

I made my approach and even after startling her a bit was suddenly in a whole convo with her. Without slowing down or breaking her rhythm (got a great show ) she was in there with me and we made the rounds of people, places, history, etc.

We walked up together and when it was time to separate I made my closing pitch and she simply said "no". She was not buying.
No loss to me but I reflected on how open she was, did not hold back or give any negative attitude, even remembered my name at the end (4 syllables, unusual name). It would have been nice to close successfully but I can't complain about her responsiveness and openness at all. I suppose it's also cool to be told no rather than to prolong it with games.

I need to do this at this level more, because I've been mostly closing well with HBs a notch or two down from this one.

Call me naive but I'd like to believe that women are not totally predictable or fixed in their behavior and responses and that at least half the equation is where I come from when interacting with them.

 

[taiyuu_otoko]

The missing link here is her treatment of you, real or imagined, will always be largely dependent on her interest in you, which is largely dependent on your general game, social presence, and physical appearance. If you generally think that hot girls have low character, well......

 

[Andy_Dufresne]

Some girls are just bad lays, either because they're not comfortable with sex, or they're stuck up hot chicks who think your job is to please them. It's just another manifestation of their selfish cvnty attitude.

I've found the opposite to be true.

It's all about the "b^tch barrier".

You have to break thru it using attitude and shock value, and continue it all through the process to sex.

To me thats the best part. It's turning the Dr. Jekyll (before sex) into Ms. Hyde. (after sex).

The attitude to have is NOT to write these women off as b^tches, rather to treat the "shield" as a challenge. The bigger the shield, the bigger the challenge, and the more of an a-hole you need to be to return the favor.

Create an equal and opposing force. Hottie doesn't give you the time of day, don't return the favor. One technique I find that works...find the weakness that 99 other guys wouldn't pick out. Their height or their hair are good ones. Or something about their clothes.

 

[potato]

I don’t for moment believe that there is inverse relationship between looks and personality. I’d go as far as to quite the opposite; that is that the more beautiful women tend to be more sociable, more engaging, more interesting than average women. This comes from the fact that they tend to be likely to be talked to, to be engaged in conversation, to be invited along.

The attributes that Colossus attributes to beautiful women, “manipulative, bipolar, disloyal, dishonest, flaky, and disrespectful” are attributes that a man might claim of a woman when the woman in question has only minimal interest in that man.

If you are an average man trying for a woman who is most likely out of your league, in all likelihood her interest will only be in passing, possibly only waiting for a better man to come along. Thus her behavior will appear to be other than you’d like it to be. If you pursue a woman more in line with your own attributes then she is going to appear more to your liking even if her beauty isn’t as great as you’d like.

The secret to getting women is not to just simply chase the most beautiful, but to find the ones who you are most compatible with.

 

[STR8UP]

Wow, potato actually said something that makes sense!

But what about situations where you're NOT hitting on them? That is what Vulpine and I are talking about.

Like the bartending example I gave. This kind of thing happens to me all the time. Hot chick cashiers, hot chick waitresses, etc etc. Pretty much any time I interact with hot chicks, the attitude is the same, regardless of whether I'm hitting on them or not.

More often than not, the really hot chicks just aren't as cool or down to Earth as the less attractive (but still cute) ones.

Why can't you perceive or accept that reality?

I don't know what bars or restaurants you guys are going to, but the places I have been the hottie bartenders smile at me and get me my drinks and go about their business. I was at a bar last night that has some of the hottest bartenders you will ever see. I'm talking Playboy material, some of them. No problems whatsoever.

You see her as uber hot and automatically assume it's her looks that causes her attitude. I think you might be imagining things. These women make their living off their looks and attitude. You got a bad apple.

As far as a normal chick being standoffish when you aren't even hitting on them....it happened to me a few weeks ago in a bar. There was a tall, decent looking chick standing next to me facing a couple of douchebag looking guys who were wearing t-shirts that said something really odd and kinda gay. Don't remember what the shirts said, but I was curious so I impulsively turned to this chick and asked her if she knew what it meant.

You would think I was trying to chat up Angelina Jolie when she was on the rag and suffering from the flu or something. As I was talking, she started turning to face the opposite direction, wouldn't even look me in the eye and just kind of shrugged her shoulders with a blank look on her face.

B!tch, or b!tch shield? Who knows. Was her attitude called for, considering I was only asking her a question? I don't think it was, but oh well...whatever. Thing is, I'm sure she thought I WAS trying to pick her up, and she probably wasn't physically attracted to me. I'm not ugly, but I know not every chick is gonna dig me, so whatever.

 

[ketostix]

Wow, potato actually said something that makes sense!

Yeah really, it must be the first time for that.

I don't know what bars or restaurants you guys are going to, but the places I have been the hottie bartenders smile at me and get me my drinks and go about their business. I was at a bar last night that has some of the hottest bartenders you will ever see. I'm talking Playboy material, some of them. No problems whatsoever.

That's been my experience. The hotter girls generally never give me attitude. It's more of the sort of hot ones that do if anything. The thing about b1tch sheilds is sometimes a girl will give you one when she IS interested in you. That's why I say a girl hot or not usually acts indifferent if they're not intrested in you. I noticed not-so-hot girls tend to play a lot of games, act disinterested and basically use DJ/PUA tactics.

 

[Jitterbug]

I noticed not-so-hot girls tend to play a lot of games, act disinterested and basically use DJ/PUA tactics.

Same experience here. The not-so-hot girls who are interested in me tend to do precisely that. The weapon they employ most often on me is "jealousy". They'd try to get my attention then buzz off to hang/flirt with other guys while still checking me out. Or praising other guys, while talking to me, in the areas that I'm recognized as being good at. This may work with women (social proof) and some men but personally it's a biggest turn off and they aren't hot enough for me to put up with their BS.

 

[Vulpine]

When I talk to someone, I am interested in what they have to say. So automatically, by talking to someone, you are displaying interest.

My angle is that every hot woman seems to ASSUME automatically that your interest is in picking them up just because they are hot. They then proceed to act on that assumption. Their actions are often inappropriate and unacceptable.

To me, that displays two things that I find to be shortcomings in character: an unhealthy ego (too high/too low), and being self-absorbed (we could site others, I'm sure). Factor in some rudeness, entitlement, and a lack of diplomacy/patience and you've got several "unattractive" character qualities that defeat their hotness and brings them down to the 7-8 level (I know the scale is looks, I mean overall).

Maybe it's intentional, maybe it's an automatic mechanism, I can appreciate the how's and why's. But, it doesn't matter WHY it happens - it happens. Perhaps it's a secondary function of "the shield" (in addition to the spoken rejection) to appear to be a b¡tch and thereby reduce attraction. But, if a guy has a prize mindset, that chick just threw away the winning lottery ticket without even looking at it. I can appreciate, too, that some guys just won't take "no" for an answer, so they have to go above and beyond.
But, if a guy wasn't interested, there's no reason to be a b¡tch. It's the assumption, that automatically being a b¡tch regardless of the situation, that makes them a b¡tch.

A b¡tch IS a b¡tch. You have to call them how you see them. If you see a b¡tch, you label her a b¡tch; you don't put them up on a pedestal and rationalize or justify their actions. If a woman doesn't want to "waste her character" on me, I'm sure as ƒuck not going to "waste my character" on her.

"Wasting character" is a poor choice of words. It's about her not DISPLAYING her character to the guy she isn't interested in.

That is putting the "purchasing power" in the woman's hands. If I'm the one doing the buying, "what you see is what you get".

 

[Duffdog]

This has gone off on a tangent of what character actually is. It is not a currency to be doled out or traded to those one deems worthy. Character is the aggregate of features and traits that form the individual nature of someone---their moral and ethical quality.

I disagree completely. I think people are rarely themselves, all people put up some sort of 'front' to hide their true character. In short, you may never get to see if her character is good/bad/whatever because you never got through her "b1tch shield" even though you tried all the tricks.

I have heard super hot girls actually say out loud: "I'm everyones type, they're just not mine" Now, pretty much every guy would say that is indicative of poor character, right? I would defer to say it is not. Some people are truly mean on the inside and the fact that they choose to show their true self without hiding behind some socially acceptable "character" makes them more attractive to me.

Of course, one could say that I am also mean. Heres an example-- I recently just found out about this website, so I started doing some of the things that it says. They work. But always keep in mind that there is always someone hating on you whenever you are doing well.

Last weekend I went to a party for some Burners in Reno-- everything was going great and there were lots of girls to choose from. So, I picked one. We were having a great time until some lesbian came up and tried to hate on me and distract the girl while I was talking to her. It was very obvious and it really pissed me off, so at first I glared at her and subtly waved her off. Didn't work... she kept at it and was starting to bother me even more, so I turned and said very loudly "Can you GO AWAY!?" She was very shocked and surprised and just sort of did a u-turn and walked away like I killed her puppy with a sledge hammer. Later that night I took the girl back to her house and nailed her for hours.

Now, my question is -- who had "poor character" in that situation? Me? The annoying lesbian? The girl? My bet is that the lesbians friends all thought I was the biggest a$$hole with the worst character ever and there is probably a thread describing me on some lesbian message board. I, however, feel that what I did was totally fine.

Putting all this together, character is completely arbitrary and doesn't matter in the least because it changes from day to day and from person to person. Yes, the vast majority of 9s and 10s are b1tches--because they are allowed to be. They can do whatever they want and get away with it because theres 50 other guys that will give her things only because they believe that giving her things will increase their chances of getting laid. So where is the incentive to ever be nice and show your true self when you can constantly be a b1tch and still get everything you want? I would argue that there isn't any. For the record, I don't believe that there is an inverse relationship between looks and desirable qualities. In my experience as a photographer, the 9s and 10s are much prouder of their appearance and just like "being hot" and were ALWAYS more cooperative and fun than the average chics. In my personal life, I was typically denied by the average girls when I asked them out and had nothing but good experiences with the hot girls. In my mind, the average girls always have a chip on their shoulder due to jealousy of the beautiful women which won't go away.

I will opine that there is a direct relationship between looks and character.

 

[jophil28]

A b¡tch IS a b¡tch. You have to call them how you see them. If you see a b¡tch, you label her a b¡tch; you don't put them up on a pedestal and rationalize or justify their actions. If a woman doesn't want to "waste her character" on me, I'm sure as ƒuck not going to "waste my character" on her.

THat is right is on the nail head...thanks VP.

TO make a distinction between "being a b!tch" and putting up a " b!tch shield " is absurd. IT is giving tacit approval to bad behavior by pretending to find an "explanation" for her poor behavior..
Some of you guys have convinced yourselves that acting badly is legitimate IF she is sorting out the men from the boys . Why is it OK under ANY circumstances ? Women have choices to act in myriad ways. Acting like a baitch is a choice.There are alternative ways to discourage guys who hit on them.

The belief that her true "character " is hiding beneath her "b!tch sheild " is also absurd. SHe is SHOWING you elements of her true character.
Where the f**k do you think the b!tch sheild is coming from ?
She created it from within.
Get a grip !

 

[SoCalMike]

The missing link here is her treatment of you, real or imagined, will always be largely dependent on her interest in you, which is largely dependent on your general game, social presence, and physical appearance. If you generally think that hot girls have low character, well......

Common now, you're basically saying that if a guy thinks hot girls are (generally) lacking in the character department, he's an ugly bitter loser.

This is the same argument feminists use: if you have a problem with the bad attitude prevalent in many of today's women, you're "not a man" or you "can't get laid" etc

Get real, I have had positive experiences with hot women, and have dated and fvcked them. It's just a fact that most of them are more spoiled/stuck up than the average/cute women.

In other words, I can as easily turn both of these arguments on their heads: Far from lacking experience and NOT being able to get women, my beliefs stem from HAVING experience with women.... from actually DATING hot women, not from just talking to them and getting "shut down" as you are implying.

Got it?