The interesting thing (for me) is when this 'men have to be over 6ft' started. Before OLD went mainstream, men's height was rarely an issue. Women were still attracted to men who were taller than they were, but a couple of inches taller would be enough.
I think I can add some insight into the timeline on this.
I topped out at 5'10" in 2000 when I was 17. In dating from ages 17-25 as a 5'10" person, height seemed to be less of an issue than it became by my late 20s and beyond. While I was in college from 2001-2005 as an 18-22 year old, my height seemed sufficient for most women I met through campus activities and at the off campus apartment complex parties. I had access to the most unmarried women in one confined area while I was on campus. No urban environment post-college has ever matched what I had on campus in terms of quantity.
While 5'10" was never a great height in the USA market, it became perceived as less desirable once women learned how many options they truly have with tech-based dating methods.
I believe that women started demanding more height once they started to learn how much abundance they truly had with tech-based dating options. This started to become apparent around the late 2000s/early 2010s. Before a significant percentage of women were using tech-based dating options, most women had fewer dating options from their social networks and going to bars 1-2 nights per week. Even a woman who went to bars 3-4 nights a week and didn't use tech-based options could never compete with the quantity of options a woman would get from the tech-based options.
The interesting thing (for me) is when this 'men have to be over 6ft' started. Before OLD went mainstream, men's height was rarely an issue unless a man was literally a dwarf and even then he could 'own it'. Women were still attracted to men who were taller than they were, but a couple of inches taller would be enough.
OLD taught women how to select men. Not on things like intelligence or wit or even ambition, but checking boxes with possible criteria. So when women would checkmark their profile, they get asked 'what age' 'how tall' et cetera to be 'matched' with their 'ideal'. And women being women, they would enthusiastically start checking boxes like 'has to be over 6ft and earn more than 6 figures and have abs'
I agree with all of this. Online dating websites going mainstream (prior to the launch of Tinder in September 2012) is when this changed. In the latter years of dating websites, women started to learn their abundance.
Women's height demands definitely increased as a result of online dating websites. Dating apps like Tinder and Bumble cemented this.
while they themselves sleep in sour sheets in a sub-let mess of an apartment, working sh!tty jobs for nickels and dimes, dreaming to get swept off their feet like a Disney princess.
Despite the feminist push to get women into the workplace, many women are not really happy employees and become disillusioned about finding the white picket fence prince.
With my generation of women (Millennials), women haven't been satisfied to have mediocre possessions in a mediocre apartment.
In the United States with the Millennials (1981-1996 births per Pew Research), women have been pursuing higher education and careers even more. With Gen X (1965-1980 births) and Millennials (1981-1996 births), women became more and more career-focused. More women got bachelor's and advanced degrees and were able to provide for themselves more meaningfully than earlier generations of women. This reduced a woman's need for a provider beta male, since she could at least adequately handle her own provisioning from her own white collar job. Since the majority of men are beta males who based their longer term mating strategy around provisioning, this softened the market for them.
You are correct that feminists have been pushing for more and more to get into the workplace. This became evident with the rise of Second Wave Feminism in the 1960s-1970s. The first large generation where this became apparent was with the Baby Boomers (1946-1964 births) as they were the young adults when this was escalating. By my generation (Millennials, 1981-1996 births), this had become more cemented.
Many women have learned in white collar work what many men in both white collar and blue collar work know. White collar corporate work is not very satisfying. While a woman can provision for herself in white collar work, she will not have that great of an existence alone, even if she has average or better housing and average or better transportation. Men are more designed for white collar corporate drudgery or even blue collar working drudgery than women are. Women are more designed to support running a household and taking children from birth to self-sufficiency.
OLD is a sham and while some 'lucky' guys may hook-up with some desperate women, OLD breeds contempt and dissatisfaction, which is great for business.
The majority of men do not do well with tech-based dating methods, primarily in the form now of swipe-based dating apps.
With swipe apps, there's around 10% of men who do really well, usually due to looks (being 6'0"+ and fit). The majority of men do not stand out enough of apps.
The typical male experience on apps is consists of at least one of the following 3 occurrences.
1. Very few matches
2. Few to some matches, but almost all first dates result in an interaction that is "1-2 dates, no sex, and no extended relationship"
3. Dating well below market value (2-3 SMV points) to get an extended relationship
"OLD changed the game". No, gullible guys allowed the game to become skewed against them. OLD is a misrepresentation of the dating market and tries to get members because they don't care about matching guys who want to conveniently select a future partner from a portfolio. Match dot com knows that low value men will try to match with high value women they can never get, and low value women will not be interested in men at their own level because they hope to snare a hunk. So both of them will not choose their actual matches and Match dot com can use those statistics to make men and women even more insecure and thirsty.
This is well said and reflects what is happening with users of dating websites/apps.
Just be realistic, if you're 5.7 don't expect to bang 5.11 Russian model Natasha.
This is true. As a 5'10" man, my realistic max height is 5'7". A 5'8"-5'9" woman is possible but my odds start to really drop around there.
As a 5'10" man, it's going to be difficult for me to date a 5'11"-6'2" volleyball player woman.
Don't let your lack of height or whatever physcial deficiency keep you from having success. If you lack height, or hair, make up for that in other areas and you will be fine. Excuses are for LOSERS.
The great thing about women, is once you start connecting with one, the physical attributes become less of an issue. I think its men that care what the opposite sex looks like more than women do.
One of the things I have said many times on here is that Game is a combination of looks, money, status, and personality.
I believe looks is the most important of those factors and personality is the least important. I believe that money starts to become more of a factor for men's SMV once they enter middle age (roughly age 35).
While I think personality is least important, a very strong personality can make up for looks deficiencies. A deficiency in any one area needs to be made up for it in another area.
@BPH is a great example of this.
@BPH hasn't done well on money but has used looks to make up for money deficiencies in his 20s and now early 30s.
