The college hype is unreal, true players get how overrated it is.

[Jesse Pinkman]

I got laid at pretty much every college party, but you are better off meeting them in class tbh.

Not sure if it is just me but I noticed that almost every guy I knew that was good with women in college fell off hard after it if he relied on social circles or parties his friends threw. Like something about this means that the guy cannot transition into cold approach in the real world at bars, clubs, and daygame.

 

[CornbreadFed]

Not sure if it is just me but I noticed that almost every guy I knew that was good with women in college fell off hard after it if he relied on social circles or parties his friends threw. Like something about this means that the guy cannot transition into cold approach in the real world at bars, clubs, and daygame.

When the bars started becoming more popular my age and hanging around freshmen became "weird" & "not fun" I definitely took a nose dive in lays because it is much harder to talk to women at bars/clubs then it is at a house party. In addition, I felt like alcohol had to always be present when it came to meeting women/hooking up, so my daygame/dates not involving getting drunk was terrible. It took me some time to recover from this pitfall, so that contributes further to what I said to @SW15.

 

[SW15]

@SW15 who seems to dislike Dallas.

On the first page of the Dallas Scene thread, I wrote...

Dallas is a rather mediocre mating environment. I wouldn't recommend moving here as a means of improving mating outcomes. However, this does not mean that it is not a good place to live when considering all lifestyle variables.

If someone is to move to Dallas, it's best to consider more than the mating environment when moving here. Someone should not move here solely for the mating environment.

I noticed that almost every guy I knew that was good with women in college fell off hard after it if he relied on social circles or parties his friends threw.

This can happen. I think it's less common than you think it is. It depends on what college the man went to and where he ends up after college.

I'll give some Texas examples here.

Example 1: Guy grows up entirely in a Dallas-Fort Worth suburb. He goes to the University of Texas in Austin. After college, he's working either in Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, or Houston. He'll probably be able to rely on his social circle beyond college, most notably if goes back to Dallas. He'll be working with a good alumni base from his college years and overall if he goes to Houston or San Antonio, or stays in Austin. This is the type of guy who will get into an LTR and marry faster. If this guy goes to a place like Philadelphia, Nashville, or Orlando where he can't rely on high school or college social circles, he's likely to struggle in those cities where he'll either be a swipe app dater or bar approacher. Odds are he'd move back to Dallas after 2-3 years in those cities.

Example 2: Guy grows up entirely in the affluent Park Cities bubble (University Park or Highland Park -- surrounded by Dallas) or Preston Hollow (affluent Dallas city limits neighborhood). He goes to Texas Christian (TCU) in Fort Worth OR Southern Methodist University (SMU --- in University Park bubble around Dallas). Guy gets job in Dallas after college. He'll have a great social network from TCU or SMU in Dallas. It's only when he would go to another city outside Texas where he'd struggle.

The formula for long term social circle dependency is

1. Spend all your K-12 years in one area
2. Go to a regional college
3. Stay in that region after college

Men who follow that formula rarely end up on forums like SoSuave early in life. It's only after they flounder after a relocation or divorce when they might have a chance to study seduction. A lot of the divorced guys from this formula never need to find seduction community content. They'll simply ask their blue pill social circle for another introduction. Those guys would fall off hard if they lack a social circle and then need to rely on swipe apps or in-person approaches.

 

[Solomon]

On the first page of the Dallas Scene thread, I wrote...

Dallas is a rather mediocre mating environment. I wouldn't recommend moving here as a means of improving mating outcomes. However, this does not mean that it is not a good place to live when considering all lifestyle variables.

If someone is to move to Dallas, it's best to consider more than the mating environment when moving here. Someone should not move here solely for the mating environment.

I don't disagree with you at all, I think you mating definitely should not be the only factor. I know for some people certain states/cities may not be the best dating environment but for others, they do well there. I know people who do well in Dallas, Denver, and San Diego. However, things like socioeconomics, race, lifestyle, personality, looks, game etc. All these play a factor in a person's success.

 

[GoodMan32]

Not sure if it is just me but I noticed that almost every guy I knew that was good with women in college fell off hard after it if he relied on social circles or parties his friends threw. Like something about this means that the guy cannot transition into cold approach in the real world at bars, clubs, and daygame.

Part of it could be the small pond vs big pond thing.

A college, even a big one, is a small pond compared to the real world.

A popular college football player obviously has a lot of social status at college parties. Unless he makes it to the NFL, however, he becomes a nobody after college.

 

[GoodMan32]

On the first page of the Dallas Scene thread, I wrote...

Dallas is a rather mediocre mating environment. I wouldn't recommend moving here as a means of improving mating outcomes. However, this does not mean that it is not a good place to live when considering all lifestyle variables.

If someone is to move to Dallas, it's best to consider more than the mating environment when moving here. Someone should not move here solely for the mating environment.



This can happen. I think it's less common than you think it is. It depends on what college the man went to and where he ends up after college.

I'll give some Texas examples here.

Example 1: Guy grows up entirely in a Dallas-Fort Worth suburb. He goes to the University of Texas in Austin. After college, he's working either in Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, or Houston. He'll probably be able to rely on his social circle beyond college, most notably if goes back to Dallas. He'll be working with a good alumni base from his college years and overall if he goes to Houston or San Antonio, or stays in Austin. This is the type of guy who will get into an LTR and marry faster. If this guy goes to a place like Philadelphia, Nashville, or Orlando where he can't rely on high school or college social circles, he's likely to struggle in those cities where he'll either be a swipe app dater or bar approacher. Odds are he'd move back to Dallas after 2-3 years in those cities.

Example 2: Guy grows up entirely in the affluent Park Cities bubble (University Park or Highland Park -- surrounded by Dallas) or Preston Hollow (affluent Dallas city limits neighborhood). He goes to Texas Christian (TCU) in Fort Worth OR Southern Methodist University (SMU --- in University Park bubble around Dallas). Guy gets job in Dallas after college. He'll have a great social network from TCU or SMU in Dallas. It's only when he would go to another city outside Texas where he'd struggle.

The formula for long term social circle dependency is

1. Spend all your K-12 years in one area
2. Go to a regional college
3. Stay in that region after college

Men who follow that formula rarely end up on forums like SoSuave early in life. It's only after they flounder after a relocation or divorce when they might have a chance to study seduction. A lot of the divorced guys from this formula never need to find seduction community content. They'll simply ask their blue pill social circle for another introduction. Those guys would fall off hard if they lack a social circle and then need to rely on swipe apps or in-person approaches.

I was raised in a small town where many stay in the same small town for life. Even for those who leave, they typically stay within a 1 hour (maybe 2 hours tops) drive.

Many people I went to high school with are currently married to each other. You're damn right that staying in the same area makes your chances of ending up on a board like SoSuave plummet.

If my high school classmates were to move long distance (a plane ride away, as opposed to a car ride away), they'd likely struggle immensely (as you indicated).

 

[GoodMan32]

On the first page of the Dallas Scene thread, I wrote...

Dallas is a rather mediocre mating environment. I wouldn't recommend moving here as a means of improving mating outcomes. However, this does not mean that it is not a good place to live when considering all lifestyle variables.

If someone is to move to Dallas, it's best to consider more than the mating environment when moving here. Someone should not move here solely for the mating environment.



This can happen. I think it's less common than you think it is. It depends on what college the man went to and where he ends up after college.

I'll give some Texas examples here.

Example 1: Guy grows up entirely in a Dallas-Fort Worth suburb. He goes to the University of Texas in Austin. After college, he's working either in Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, or Houston. He'll probably be able to rely on his social circle beyond college, most notably if goes back to Dallas. He'll be working with a good alumni base from his college years and overall if he goes to Houston or San Antonio, or stays in Austin. This is the type of guy who will get into an LTR and marry faster. If this guy goes to a place like Philadelphia, Nashville, or Orlando where he can't rely on high school or college social circles, he's likely to struggle in those cities where he'll either be a swipe app dater or bar approacher. Odds are he'd move back to Dallas after 2-3 years in those cities.

Example 2: Guy grows up entirely in the affluent Park Cities bubble (University Park or Highland Park -- surrounded by Dallas) or Preston Hollow (affluent Dallas city limits neighborhood). He goes to Texas Christian (TCU) in Fort Worth OR Southern Methodist University (SMU --- in University Park bubble around Dallas). Guy gets job in Dallas after college. He'll have a great social network from TCU or SMU in Dallas. It's only when he would go to another city outside Texas where he'd struggle.

The formula for long term social circle dependency is

1. Spend all your K-12 years in one area
2. Go to a regional college
3. Stay in that region after college

Men who follow that formula rarely end up on forums like SoSuave early in life. It's only after they flounder after a relocation or divorce when they might have a chance to study seduction. A lot of the divorced guys from this formula never need to find seduction community content. They'll simply ask their blue pill social circle for another introduction. Those guys would fall off hard if they lack a social circle and then need to rely on swipe apps or in-person approaches.

Ok, even though I indicated on my last post that I generally agree it's easier to get a woman if you stay in the same place you were raised, I just thought of something:

What about a guy like me who was known as the strange kid by the vast majority of my peers in my small town high school? Would a guy like me have even worse luck had I stayed in the place I was raised?

At least when I'm far away from my childhood location (like I have been for years, including college years), even if certain *individuals* think I'm strange, that's not quite the same as the stigma of being universally known as the freak of your childhood small town.

 

[BaronOfHair]

Looking back at it, I am amazed at how big the hype around college truly was. Maybe my boy @CornbreadFed and @SW15 could speak on this but I speak with so many guys who seem to have peaked in college and don't realize how beautiful life can get after it. FWIW, I was in a fraternity in college, a decent one at that, and I got to see it all. Despite the hype, I find that when done right, life after college just has a far higher ceiling than college life ever did.

Quality of women.

I will come out and say it, unless your type are exclusively blonde sorority girls, college girls in the US aren't the best. You can find a far hotter blonde abroad in Europe. Even if your type are these kinds of women, I found that most of the hot ones congregate to world class cities. Like I went to an SEC party school and the hottest girls all moved to Manhattan where they were nobodies. I have no idea why people can say you will meet the hottest girls in college, this is nonsense. Big cities completely lap college in this regard.

Most of all, you get more variety in women in a big city than you ever would at a college campus. I get bored of the same blonde sorority princesses and want some variety.

Female attitudes are so much better because they are young.

I once again disagree here. When I was in college, I found that the hottest girls had massive egos and were often untouchable. What I actually found was that once these girls get to a massive city where there are tons of attractive women (Manhattan for example), they get humbled fast and start acting nicer because they have to. To anyone who says that college girls have nice personalities, go game sorority girls (who are usually the hottest girls on campus) and then come talk to me.

"But it is so easy to hookup and date"

I was lucky to date in college but so many college dudes are incels because it is just a continuation of high school. Status means everything and if you are not in the right cliques (frats), it sucks. Even the best looking guys become incel because they do not want to deal with the petty drama that comes with being in a clique. In big city life, this is not the case at all. You don't have to join dumb cliques in order to get laid.

"But the party bro!"

Drinking beer out of plastic cups gets old. I prefer a nice ****tail or a Vodka-Soda at least. College parties are good for your age when you are experiencing parties but looking back at it now, I would not want to be caught dead in one.

More importantly, I noticed that so many of the hottest girls preferred to go to bars ASAP. They did not want to waste too much time at frat parties. In fact, most of them preferred to stay away from them, even the hottest sorority girls. Even now in Miami, I notice how the hottest girls at The U are going to nightclubs like LIV and not wasting time at house parties.

Depends upon where a fella goes to uni, and also his mindset and behaviors while there. Just as the prison inmate who says to himself "This is an opportunity to hone my survivor reflexes" will bear up more hardily during his incarceration, the uni freshman who's eager to learn what his more successful peers are doing will be enhanced

 

[SW15]

What about a guy like me who was known as the strange kid by the vast majority of my peers in my small town high school? Would a guy like me have even worse luck had I stayed in the place I was raised?

Yes, it would have been worse to stay in that small town without a good social circle.