The Art of Seduction Book Study

[BlackJackal]

BlackJackal

Would you mind sharing a few examples of rake actions you have displayed with women? I'm going to assume you mean a lot of Kino?

Kino plays a very large role when I deal with a woman I'm into. I didn't always know it as "kino", I'm just affectionate like that. But really it's all about boldness. You really have to be bold and not affraid to virtually take what you want when dealing with a woman.

Recently a female friend of mind had gotten back in touch with me this passed Dec. We haven't seen each other in like 3 years since school. We were real close back then. But we fell off for personal reasons (long story).

Though we flirted when we first met there was always an attraction there but it was put to the side. I dont really do that at all really. So she wasn't used to me being completely rakish...lol. But when she and started talking again, we were alot more sexual towards each other than before.

But she wouldn't know the truth till she came to my home. Thats when I just put it on her, no hesitation. I didn't plan it either. Somethin just took over when I seen her. Now she cant get me out of her head..lol.

There's no secret techniques to doing this. It really is all about letting go and want to please the woman as much as to please yourself. A rake is a person who's sex drive is at the max while having a Blitzkreig style when dealing with women.

 

[FoolsCause]

What chapter are we on? We should probably discuss at least one chapter a week since there's about fifty chapters, and the second half of the book covers alot of good material too.

The Rake chapter? "Come on baby, light my fire." The Rake helps his victim to loosen inhibitions and forget about taboos, making her feel swept away. I guess "proper" women are the most susceptible. The key is to never be apologetic for your less-than-gentlemanly, bad-boy behavior, taking all of the blame on yourself so she can enjoy it without quite the burden of guilt.

 

[e-lie]

I wish I could post this book in ebook format

 

[BlackJackal]

We're on the rake chapter for now. But everyone is slow to picking this post up. It's no wonder I missed out on most of the discussion.

 

[Reyaj]

BlackJackal good story.


So when she came over to your house what happend? Did you get just grab her and start making out? Is that you usually do with women? I guess you aren't afraid of getting rejected. I remember one time I went in aggressively to kiss a girl and she moved her face away. I felt so embarassed...

 

[rakishness]

Since we are now talking about the rake. It is only fitting that I give my two cents on this character.

First...I believe that every man possesses a rakish character...But.... many of us repress it. Mainly because most of us are TIMID. We believe that if embrace our natural maleness...we will pay a social price: unpopularity and isolation.

Rake is simple a natural MALE. He has advantage of a STRONG libido. This allows him to approach every women with intensity. His STRONG libido is key. He doesn't worry about rejection because his desire is INTENSE. He's focused....he's determined. You see...because we are MEN...we are SUPPOSED to have POWERFUL libidos. In fact in many ways...it's that strong desire that attracts women in the first place. The problem is that many us use this "ADVANTAGE" the wrong way. Instead of using our STRONG libidos to approach women in a sexual way...instead of using our STRONG libidos to behave masculine around women....we watch amateur porn or the latest episode of MILF HUNTER.

So when I say that every man has a rakish character I mean it. It's just that many of us can't channel it at all or just channel it in the wrong direction. Rake is just MAN. And behaves that way.

Robert Greene posted this on his blog yesterday.

"In THE ART OF SEDUCTION I describe the Rake character, a man who is amoral and faithless, but who is devastatingly seductive to women. History abounds with such examples. Lord Byron slept with his sister, ruined many a young girl with his heartlessness, treated his wife abominably, but the women kept flocking to him in great numbers. After Errol Flynn was acquitted of rape charges, even more women than before besieged him. The equivalent for men would be the Siren, the femme fatale."

 

[BlackJackal]

BlackJackal good story.


So when she came over to your house what happend? Did you get just grab her and start making out? Is that you usually do with women? I guess you aren't afraid of getting rejected. I remember one time I went in aggressively to kiss a girl and she moved her face away. I felt so embarassed...

Well, yeah I pretty much did just that. The thing is though, that it was mutual. Meaning she wanted me just as I wanted her. But she's also the type that likes the man to be in control. But you have to know if the girl wants you already. You have to know that you've already won way before anything gets started.

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither yourself nor the enemy, you will succumb in every battle.
-Sun Tzu- The Art of War

If you got rejected , than that means you were already rejected before you went to kiss her. You dont have to go on dates to find out if a girl likes. I never go on dates it's a waste of time to me, and just to corny...lol. You just have to pay attention to her as you get to know her. Even if she fronts, she'll give herself away.

It mentions this type of thing in the "Choose your Target" chapter in the art of seduction.

 

[Reyaj]

BlackJackal I think this has been maybe one of my problems though. I usually never go for it unless I am sure the girl likes me. I think sometimes this apprehension makes me less attractive though.

It would be great to know if a girl wanted you to kiss her and what not and just go for it... but this is what's challenging for me is that I have trouble reading signs.

One time I went to the movie with this girl and she was doing all this kino on me. Kept touching my arm, putting her head on my shoulder every now and again. Well at the end of the date I went in to kiss her and she seemed surprised and really hesitated.

I'm curious as to your non-date strategy though. If you meet a girl somewhere what do you tell her as far as getting together? I'm sure you don't just say lets go to my place or whatever. You seriously don't take girls out to eat or to the movies? Not criticising just want to hear how you pull it off.

Thanks!

 

[BlackJackal]

BlackJackal I think this has been maybe one of my problems though. I usually never go for it unless I am sure the girl likes me. I think sometimes this apprehension makes me less attractive though.

It would be great to know if a girl wanted you to kiss her and what not and just go for it... but this is what's challenging for me is that I have trouble reading signs.

One time I went to the movie with this girl and she was doing all this kino on me. Kept touching my arm, putting her head on my shoulder every now and again. Well at the end of the date I went in to kiss her and she seemed surprised and really hesitated.

I'm curious as to your non-date strategy though. If you meet a girl somewhere what do you tell her as far as getting together? I'm sure you don't just say lets go to my place or whatever. You seriously don't take girls out to eat or to the movies? Not criticising just want to hear how you pull it off.

Thanks!

Well as for not dating it's just not neccesary to me. Dating seems like one of those things that people have to do cause it's tradition. People date to get to know each other, but the irony is is that both people tend to wear a social mask. Eating more properly, only showing there best traits in everything they do. All while making sure that they dont show the other person just how crazy they really are...lol.

I dont sarge either. I'm in my own world when I'm out cause I got things to do. I meet girls along the way, and if they're cool I kick it with them. I can get a girl( or anyone for that matter) to open up, and I can know there life story within an hours worth of convo. That saves me a date right there. See what I'm sayin?

If you want to kick it some more get her number, and maybe ask her to go with you to the store or something. And you can just bring back to your house. As long as she's comfortable with what you do with her, she'll go along with it. Just have fun with her, play with your girl, etc. But be comfortable being sexual as well.

As far as picking up signals goes, you would have to learn how to think outside of your head, and be more aware with your suroundings. And go with the flow with things you do notice. If a girl touches you, touch her back. If she gazes at you gaze at her back. Some girls are to shy but give themselves away if they like you. So what I do is touch her with a little caress on there back or thigh while I talk to them.

Just enough to let them know that I know they diggin me. And I'm diggin her too.

 

[Microphone Fiend]

i got some catching up 2 do with the chapters... ill drop my opinion of rake after i reread it.

 

[Reyaj]

MF Hope to hear your take on the Rake soon.

Here is my criticism:

It makes sense that a rake is successful because he is unashamed of his libido and just pursues women. But Greene makes reference to the fact that women enjoy this because the man is under control so to speak. I don't think this is the case. I think the Rake more so elicits the natural sexuality in a woman and lets her display that.

As with all the topics I would love to hear real world examples. Just anything you can share about your adventures with women.

BlackJackal has the right idea I think as far as letting your rake qualities come out when you know a girl is interested... but I'd like to hear as many examples as possible.

The Rake is what most people think is the most effective.

The only examples I have is at clubs. Its worked both ways. Sometimes I aggressively danced with girls and grabbed their waists and started griding. Other times girls have quickly moved my hands off of them.

I think it really depends on the woman with the Rake as with all characters...


thoughts everyone?????????

 

[Reyaj]

bump:rockon:

 

[Reyaj]

Microphone Fiend you reread the Rake yet?


BlackJackal what do you think as far as the Rake being depicted under a woman's control being the attraction? Also do you ever use your voice in a rakish manner as Greene illustrates with the Italian Journalist?

 

[BlackJackal]

Microphone Fiend you reread the Rake yet?


BlackJackal what do you think as far as the Rake being depicted under a woman's control being the attraction? Also do you ever use your voice in a rakish manner as Greene illustrates with the Italian Journalist?

You mean, do I talk dirty to a woman I'm gettin ready to bone? Hell yeah...lol. You got to. The most sexual part of the body is the mind. So thats where you got to get into before you can get into her pants. Hell you can say the dumbest sh!t, but if you can manage to make it sound sexy to her she wont care.

You can be on the phone with her, and if you say the right things to push her buttons, she will move heaven and earth to reach your house. It's not about lying, being someone you're not etc. It's about being real. You wanna fvck that girl then tell her. If the girls into you, then thats what she's waitin to hear.

 

[Microphone Fiend]

Rake

Readin the rake in the beginning, I got the image of a guy out in a club, who is going Gunwitch on girls. Just so caught up in the vibe and the sexiness of the girl that he is almost oblivious to potential dangers and insecurities.

One thing is that you cannot be a rake by yourself, but only a rake 'in comparison to'. IOW, you need some kind of bland/routine background to play yourself against and make yourself seem dashing and daring. Like on page 25 states:

if no resistance or obstacles face you, you must create them

That is the main idea I got of the rake. Someone who can to an extent control his emotions and actions, but lets the woman know quite evidently the effect she has on him.

 

[Reyaj]

Microphone do you consider yourself a rake? Do you use such tactics with girls? Please share some examples. Like I said the only example I can relate with is approaching girls on a dance floor directly and confidently and grabbing them.

But some girls let me do this and others push me or my hands away. Does this just prove that the Rake is not attractive to all females?

 

[BlackJackal]

Microphone do you consider yourself a rake? Do you use such tactics with girls? Please share some examples. Like I said the only example I can relate with is approaching girls on a dance floor directly and confidently and grabbing them.

But some girls let me do this and others push me or my hands away. Does this just prove that the Rake is not attractive to all females?

Dont worry about attracting ALL females. And dont take girls in the club seriously anyway.

 

[Microphone Fiend]

I try not to associate to closely to any description or w/e. Mostly coz I dont' see results often enough to associate with them (lol) but also because when you categorize and label yourself, you box yourself in in terms of creativity and fluidity.

I wouldnt say that the dancefloor thing classifies as a rake because 1/2 the male population gets a lil grabby on the dancefloor after a few drinks. A rake would to me be someone like Alfie (Jude Law version) who ends up doing his best friend's girl because he just cant resist.

A life story of me being a 'rake' I guess would be one time I was feeling this girl and went up n started dancing behind her and got in a fight. Not really suave or anything, but just so caught up in the girl that I was oblivious to the people around her or the idea of things escalating out of control.

 

[Reyaj]

MF that sounds similar to the club scenario I described lol

Did that girl end up being more attracted to you because of this?

Like I said the rake makes sense from the fact that the male is a sexual creature unashamed of his desires but I don't like how Greene plays the Rake to be a weak character under a woman's control.

Do you all agree with that?

MF I don't characterize myself as any character either but a little of all them. Still I want to see if any fundmental rules exist or work.

We can move on soon... but really curious as to how you see the Rake character being effective and for what reasons?

Do you agree with my opinion?

 

[Evzone]

Hey guys, I'm new to the board, not the game. Anyways, about the book...honestly I thought that it was Greene's weakest book. Some of the concepts that he explained were useful, especially the chapter about avoiding anti-seduction, but really, it seemed too theoretical and abstract.

A book of his that I prefer much better is the 48 Laws of Power (although it does not deal specifically with dating, seduction, ect.).