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I wanted that reaction because I wanted to know that he sees me as his. Why else do you think I wanted a reaction out of him?
You wanted him to tell you that you're his so that you know you're valued and don't have to worry about him losing interest in you.

I know he values me. It's a question of how much. Plus, I like being told. Is there anything wrong with that?
It's only wrong if you throw sh!t tests at him to accomplish it. Cook the man a meal and he'll appreciate it. Dress up in some sexy lingerie and he'll appreciate it, but for the love of god, don't sh!t test the poor guy. No one appreciates that.

I know that my core personality is something he is very attracted to (he was then and he is now). However, the nagging and outbursts have got to go. Like I said, I've begun to change that and I see a change in his behaviour as a result of this.
That's commendable. Good for you.
 

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You wanted him to tell you that you're his so that you know you're valued and don't have to worry about him losing interest in you.

Aside from the losing interest part, you are correct.

It's only wrong if you throw sh!t tests at him to accomplish it. Cook the man a meal and he'll appreciate it. Dress up in some sexy lingerie and he'll appreciate it, but for the love of god, don't sh!t test the poor guy. No one appreciates that.

No, I don't just throw "sh1t tests" at him. I have cooked for him (I've made lunch for him for work - full meals) and I have dressed up in lingerie he likes. I have done all the things he likes (giving him massages, watching movies he likes, etc). I don't neglect his needs (at least I try not to). He also does things for me. Tit for tat.

I'm not trying to prove myself here. I just want you to know that this R isn't about me being a little drama queen and him being some kind of DJ that will eventually drop me when he gets tired of it.

:)
 

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No, I don't just throw "sh1t tests" at him.
Okay, how about zero **** tests. I know that's impossible but at least it's a goal you can aim for. ;)

I'm not trying to prove myself here. I just want you to know that this R isn't about me being a little drama queen and him being some kind of DJ that will eventually drop me when he gets tired of it.

:)
As a side note I find it funny how when you tell a woman she does a certain thing once in a while they respond with "I don't ONLY do that" or if you do something once or twice they tell you "you ALWAYS do that." :p
 

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ME: So D told me he wants to fu@k me. He said he didn't care that I had a bf and he thinks monogamy is a farce.
HIM: Alright.
ME: What do you think about that? How does that make you feel?
HIM: What's there to think or feel? He said what he did and that's that. It's not like anything will come of it.
ME: So you aren't annoyed in the least?
HIM: No, not really. Why should I be?
ME: It's just he was so blatant and arrogant about it. He doesn't respect our R. You don't think it's offensive?
HIM: No. If you wanted to fu@k him, then we'd have to deal with it. If that's not the case, there is no problem.
ME: So do you want me to stop talking to him?
HIM: Do you want to stop talking to him? If so, that is your prerogative, either way.
ME: Ugh. Alright.

A long time ago I would have done the same thing your bf did. I would have been like him because I would try and treat a woman as an independent being who can make her own choices and handle her own problems unless she say otherwise (everyone needs a hand from time to time).

Also, in the past I would have left it up to you because I don't want to have to dominate my woman into doing the right thing -- I want to know she'll do the right thing even if I'm not looking.

That all being said -- in the present I can't imagine my reaction to that conversation being anything besides drilling into the girl to find out what her covert agenda is.

Here is part of what's going to backfire on you, young lady: your man will start to see everything as a covert agenda. Then paranoia sets in...
 

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You may not be a cheater but your a branch swinging monkey. To me, a branch swinging monkey isn't much better than a cheater. Actually I can respect a cheater more because at least she goes out and does it, whereas the branch swinging monkey make a nieve attempt to pretend that everything is ok.

Do you really think your male friend's feelings are going to go away or he's goig to stop thinking that way. He's merely going to sit back and wait until your vulnerable, it might be until you have a breakup, then technically you'll be single and boom.

I think if you truly respected your relationship, you wouldn't keep him as a friend, when he let his intentions be known. My ex told me of a scenario where she did that, a year and a half later though, she suddenly had male friends and I seen the writing on the wall.

Its a sign of the beginning of the end. You wouldn't be seekig male companionship if you were satisfied with your man. But thats just my experience.
 

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LeftyLoosey said:
Okay, how about zero **** tests. I know that's impossible but at least it's a goal you can aim for. ;)
Yes, that certaintly my ultimate goal. It's hard to catch myself sometimes though...I don't realize it is a "ST" till I've spoken (and sometimes, not even then, as illustrated in this thread).
 

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You may not be a cheater but your a branch swinging monkey. To me, a branch swinging monkey isn't much better than a cheater. Actually I can respect a cheater more because at least she goes out and does it, whereas the branch swinging monkey make a nieve attempt to pretend that everything is ok.

OK, rather than discuss hypotheticals, let's stick with the facts. Perhaps I am a "branch swinger" based on my actions in the past. I've been in two relationships (both of which were LTRs) and I did move on quite fast from my ex to my bf. This is the action that can be construed as "branch swinging."

Do you really think your male friend's feelings are going to go away or he's goig to stop thinking that way. He's merely going to sit back and wait until your vulnerable, it might be until you have a breakup, then technically you'll be single and boom.

My friend is gay, I suppose in my eyes this makes him a non-threat. Since I'm away from home, I do keep in touch with people more often than I would if I were back at home (it gets pretty darn lonely here). I'm not much of a party goer, so I stay in a lot of the time.

Since having the conversation with my friend, I have not initiated contact. The last time he spoke to me, we kept it fairly brief and to the point. I suspect that as the days go on, he and I will speak less and less.

I think if you truly respected your relationship, you wouldn't keep him as a friend, when he let his intentions be known. My ex told me of a scenario where she did that, a year and a half later though, she suddenly had male friends and I seen the writing on the wall.

I haven't kept him as a friend really since he told me. My behaviour towards him is markedly different (and he knows this as well, which is why he has reduced contact).

You may have experiences with women who like to keep men around for "just in case." I can't do much to quash your particular observations but to say that I am not like this. I don't talk to him as much. I have no problem with this.

Its a sign of the beginning of the end. You wouldn't be seekig male companionship if you were satisfied with your man. But thats just my experience.

Like I said, I probably speak to more of my friends (outside of my core groups of friends) because I don't have too much contact with people here.

That said, I do see your point. It would be very convenient for me to keep my friend hanging around just in case I want to swing from this branch to the next. But that just ain't the case here.
 

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A long time ago I would have done the same thing your bf did. I would have been like him because I would try and treat a woman as an independent being who can make her own choices and handle her own problems unless she say otherwise (everyone needs a hand from time to time).

Also, in the past I would have left it up to you because I don't want to have to dominate my woman into doing the right thing -- I want to know she'll do the right thing even if I'm not looking.

That all being said -- in the present I can't imagine my reaction to that conversation being anything besides drilling into the girl to find out what her covert agenda is.

Here is part of what's going to backfire on you, young lady: your man will start to see everything as a covert agenda. Then paranoia sets in...
I am not worried about paranoia on his part (he will just lose interest). I'm worried that my "ways" will eventually turn him into an indifferent partner, to a point that he no longer sees me as a valuable partner. He has a history of leaving women who cause drama - a list I have no desire to be a part of!

I've taken steps, as I've said, to improve on this. I have seen positive results - he is more receptive and attentive when I do not bring the little D into the relationship. I realize true change takes time and effort. As a good start, I've begun to recognize insincere actions and words on my part (i.e. stiring sh1t up just because I want to get a reaction out of him, making something out of nothing, etc).

Thanks to those who replied to my thread. I appreciate your insight and feedback. I've learned some very interesting things since coming here to SS.

I've taken what some of you have said here to heart and intend to integrate those observations, etc. into my approach with my bf.

Cheers!
 

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But you are right in that I need to stop trying to "play games." I just get deeper and deeper into the hole and my bf becomes less responsive. This stuff doesn't work with him (my "nagging") so I am trying to find other ways to deal with it. Sort of.
I've only read the thread to this point, but 2 points:

1. Sh!t testing is not the way to get what you are seeking, the satiation of your insatiatable appetite for security. Instead, try things like giving your man a bj or baking him a cake, or something along those lines.
Why would he reward your behavior and actions that he dislikes?

2. This is related to one, you would not be sastisfied if he gave you what you wanted or more correctly think you want. If he were to give you everything you wanted, then you'd have no further use for him and would lose interest. Stop being so needy and realize when good enough is good enough for you
 
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I have issues with him in the past over whether he sexually desires me (this was brought about by his aversion to my nagging and sudden clingyness, lack of time together, etc). This bothered me a great deal and being in an LDR just exacerbated the situation. We've managed to work through this though (but nothing substantive has occurred as we haven't seen each other in a few months).

He felt I was using sex as some kind of validation... Anyway, the discussions were a bit tense at first but now seem to be getting better. My last attempt at solving this issue (him knowing I was always available for sex and taking that for granted) was for me to suggest abstinence. While he initially didn't like the idea, he has agreed to try it out for the sake of oru R (to focus on the non-sexual parts of our R).

This discussion was eye-opening for me because he shared sentiments that I needed to hear (even though I knew, on some level, that he felt it). He expressed his sexual desire for me (both implicitly and explicitly) but also told me that if this is what I wanted, then fine. I suspect he thought I was bluffing, that once I saw him I could never go through with it (I assume his arrogance told him this).

His willingness to go along with this made me rethink my stance. Did I really want to stop having sex with him? Heck no!

Since having this discussion, my desire overpowered me to a point where I blurted out that I couldn't go through with it. So that is at a standstill (the discussion that is).
Another example of you using another sh!t test, and him passing it. You are just full of them. I would not want to be your BF, but maybe he finds them amusing.
 

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ketostix said:
I've only read the thread to this point, but 2 points:

1. Sh!t testing is not the way to get what you are seeking, the satiation of your insatiatable appetite for security. Instead, try things like giving your man a bj or baking him a cake, or something along those lines.
Why would he reward your behavior and actions that he dislikes?

2. This is related to one, you would not be sastisfied if you gave you what you wanted or more correctly think you want. If he were to give you everything you wanted, then you'd have no firther use for him and would lose interest. Stop being so needy and realize when good enough is good enough. for you
1. Yes, I've come to realize that actions (on both our parts) are far more important than mere words (though they do have their place in a R also).

2. Again, you are correct. This is part of the reason I am as attracted to him as I am. His responses challenge me to rethink my original question/stance. He keeps my interest and continues to do so. However, as I've mentioned, because he has a certain kind of "history" in dealing with "needy" people, I have no desire to continue on this particular path of clingyness.
 

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Another example of you using another sh!t test, and him passing it. You are just full of them. I would not want to be your BF, but maybe he finds them amusing.
He found them amusing, then began to not like them so much. Now, he is completely averse to them (unless he feels it is coming from a place of sincerity).

As I've said, I do not wish to do this as it doesn't really get me anything but silence/indifference/apathy.
 

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Cheaters are viewed with absolute disgust in my family (and my community for that matter). I'd not only have to bear the shame of my friends but the pain of my family also.

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I've been searching for a nice amish girl like you to corrupt and marry. Can you cook?
 

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He found them amusing, then began to not like them so much. Now, he is completely averse to them (unless he feels it is coming from a place of sincerity).

As I've said, I do not wish to do this as it doesn't really get me anything but silence/indifference/apathy.

OK I was on about page 3 or 4 when I last posted. I just finished this thread, and wow it was long. And I see now that you understand and have concluded that the test are unproductive. Better for you to do nothing and let him come to you, or do something postive and nice for him to get the results you're seeking. Guys almost expect some sh1t testing in the beginning, but once you have chose the guy, continued testing is abnormal and needs to stop. On top of it being annoying it can also be a sign that the girl isn't sure about her interest in a guy, so it serves as red flag to him.
 

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I've been searching for a nice amish girl like you to corrupt and marry. Can you cook?
Amish, eh? Sorry to disappoiint but I do not sport a bonnet.

And yes, I am a very good cook. In fact, I even nag and b1tch while cooking. It drives men wild. :D
 

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Amish, eh? Sorry to disappoiint but I do sport a bonnet.

And yes, I am a very good cook. In fact, I even nag and b1tch while cooking. It drives men wild. :D
Does that mean you are Minionite?
 

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OK I was on about page 3 or 4 when I last posted. I just finished this thread, and wow it was long. And I see now that you understand and have concluded that the test are unproductive. Better for you to do nothing and let him come to you, or do something postive and nice for him to get the results you're seeking. Guys almost expect some sh1t testing in the beginning, but once you have chose the guy, continued testing is abnormal and needs to stop. On top of it being annoying it can also be a sign that the girl isn't sure about her interest in a guy, so it serves as red flag to him.
I agree with you.

It was cool at first, now it's getting tiring (not just for him).

The testing itself isn't about my IL, it has more to do with him validating me and providing me with some sort of security. But the more I think about it, the more I realize that it's me doing something I've done for a long time just because (does that make sense?).

If you are used to behaving a certain way and you obtain certain results, you continue doing it. In my case, I have met someone who doesn't respond to certain behaviours on my part - which has led me to question my actions and forced me "rethink" the whole thing.
 

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Does that mean you are Minionite?
While I agree with some of their beliefs, no, I am not a member of the Mennonite community.

EDIT: I failed to add the "NOT" in my response to bigjohnson.
 

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I agree with you.

It was cool at first, now it's getting tiring (not just for him).

The testing itself isn't about my IL, it has more to do with him validating me and providing me with some sort of security. But the more I think about it, the more I realize that it's me doing something I've done for a long time just because (does that make sense?).

If you are used to behaving a certain way and you obtain certain results, you continue doing it. In my case, I have met someone who doesn't respond to certain behaviours on my part - which has led me to question my actions and forced me "rethink" the whole thing.
You kno,w this could explain a lot of peoples' problems with getting and maintain relationships. They don't know how else to go about it and even if they did they don't really know how to put a different approach into practice.
 

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You kno,w this could explain a lot of peoples' problems with getting and maintain relationships. They don't know how else to go about it and even if they did they don't really know how to put a different approach into practice.
Yes. I've seen this happen to other people in my life as well. They get comfortable with a certain pattern of behaviour and don't get challenged, so they continue behaving as they have.

Now don't get me wrong. I am not changing myself for him... But being with him has alerted me to some very unhealthy behaviour on my part. My ex did express his disapproval sometimes, but I never really attempted to change because while he verbalized his concern, he never did anything to make me question what I was doing (he kept reinforcing things without knowing he was).

This is why I like SS. Some of what you guys espouse here is very much applicable to me and the way I approach men in general. I knew some of these things on some level, but to see it articulated on a whole forum with various perspectives has been eye-opening.
 

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This will quickly drive all women away from you.

And you will be able to relax and to live your life in peace and quiet.

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