Some American men are pathetic panderers

[Pandora]

Gary Owens did an interview about what led to his divorce. He talks about his cheating. In the comments you have all these men crucifying him about the cheating. Total virtue signaling. They are saying gynocentric junk like " cheating is a choice and he is a scumbag".

Men like this are pathetic. This breed of male is only found in the USA, Germany, Sweden and Canada etc. I can respect a man that does not cheat out of principle. That is commendable. I can not respect a man that acts as if he does not understand why men cheat. That man is a big liar.

Every man understands how difficult it is to control your libido. This is especially true when you have the hottest women in the city throwing themselves at you while on tour night after night. The vast majority of men would cheat the first year of them becoming even a C list celebrity ( like Gary Owen ) was.

These men take any chance they get to virtue signal for the gynocracy. The same men shaming Gary Owen for cheating have 3 hard drives full of pornography yet they claim they cant fathom why a man would cheat lol. Clowns.

American men deserve everything that our women are doing to us. We dont act like men. Can you imagine a group of old school Eastern European, African or Asian men lambasting Gary Owen ( millionaire, celebrity, good father) for cheating.

 

[Manure Spherian]

American men deserve everything that our women are doing to us. We dont act like men. Can you imagine a group of old school Eastern European, African or Asian men lambasting Gary Owen ( millionaire, celebrity, good father) for cheating.

By this logic cheating is acting like a man.

I can cheat on my wife. I choose not to.

 

[Pandora]

By this logic cheating is acting like a man.

I can cheat on my wife. I choose not to.

Hey man I actually really commend and respect that. I am just saying that male cheaters are treated like scum meanwhile women that have abortions are treated as empowered.

In American you can openly spit on a male cheater and call him a dog. You can't say anything to a woman that just murdered a fetus though. Men that are family men and do everything right except sleep with a mistress are lower than women with 3 abortions. This is gynocratic brainwashing.

 

[Pandora]

So.... besides pointing out the obvious... what's the question?

I don't have a question. I was just shocked when I was reading the comments. I did not expect most men to have such a gynocentric view. Not one guy defended Gary Owen. It made me realize that men openly except gynocentric enslavement.

I became a bigger fan of Bill Burr when he pointed out the how American society exaggerates how bad male infidelity is when he talked about Arnold and the maid. It gave me hope for American men.

 

[Pandora]

Why were you shocked? This behaviour started decades ago.

But why do men do this? Why do American men do this? Is it envy? Do they think they will garner favor in the eyes of the gynocracy?

I remember Firas Zahabi ( famed MMA/BJJ coach) said he does not roll ( spar) with females on the ground. He does not do it because he realizes that it is difficult to not cross into awkward sexual tension and this is not professional. He also basically stated that he was annoyed that so many men try to deny that they get sexual thoughts when rolling with a woman. Firas did it in a sarcastic way.

Why do these men feel the need to lie about male sexuality? Why can't they just say " yeh as a man I do have intrusive sexual thoughts when rolling with a hot girl in spandex. We are wrestling on the ground on top of each other so of course I will have thoughts".

50% of men are as intellectually dishonest as the female we lambast.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Hey man I actually really commend and respect that. I am just saying that male cheaters are treated like scum meanwhile women that have abortions are treated as empowered.

In American you can openly spit on a male cheater and call him a dog. You can't say anything to a woman that just murdered a fetus though. Men that are family men and do everything right except sleep with a mistress are lower than women with 3 abortions. This is gynocratic brainwashing.

I get it.

 

[Pandora]

American men behave like women because they don't have male role models they can look up to.


So what? You don't want intrusive sexual thoughts? Can't deal with getting an erection over a woman you're not supposed to have sex with? I don't care what some muslim MMA coach says, about mature man doesn't respond to these thoughts.


No, the problem with Zahabi is that he's a muslim. Islam has a problem with how women should behave, and Zahabi probably gets aroused from a woman showing an ankle, so of course he cannot stand having sexual thoughts about women he cannot have sex with, so he just considers everyone who can wrestle with women without wanting to have sex with them 'unprofessional'. I think a coach who cannot teach women because he cannot handle his 'intrusive sexual thoughts' is not professional.

You are missing the point. The issue is the Western men deny the existence of intrusive thoughts. They deny the very nature of male sexuality. Firas was annoyed that some men were denying that they were fighting intrusive thoughts. The truth is 100% of men are denying intrusive thoughts when wrestling with hot young women in spandex.

This relates to the original post. Weak western men love to deny that male infidelity is perfectly understandable ( not acceptable necessarily). Its like Western men are ashamed to acknowledge that male sexuality is ravenous yet they are the most addicted to porn out of any male. Its intellectual dishonesty, cowardice and hypocrisy. This is why women have conquered the Western male. We are too afraid to be honest.

 

[Clockwerk50]

I’m surprised you are not getting enough traffic on this post.

A few months back there was a post about cheating and most men in this forum ganged up on, you guessed it, the cheater.

 

[FlirtLife]

You can't say anything to a woman that just murdered a fetus though.

This isn't a forum for religious discussions, per the thread "Mature Man Rules":

"Political and religious discussions are not allowed on this forum. Experience has shown that they create too many problems among members."

 

[justaroundthecorner]

I’m surprised you are not getting enough traffic on this post.

A few months back there was a post about cheating and most men in this forum ganged up on, you guessed it, the cheater.

Sometimes female push man to cheat on her in order to leave him on her own terms (this includes divorces in USA in which male partners lose half of their assets) therefore cheating doesn't necessarily mean that person that cheats acts out of seeking of pleasure only but it still is not something commendable. If done out of boredom only, is a sign of vice.

 

[Styr]

By this logic cheating is acting like a man.

I can cheat on my wife. I choose not to.

Cheating is like acting a man controlled by its primal instincts.

Not cheating is like a man who is in control of himself.

And to the original point, I agree. The reason of societys downwall is solely on the shoulders of men, because we tolerate repulsive, hypocritical and weak behaviour.

 

[Manure Spherian]

Cheating is like acting a man controlled by its primal instincts.

Not cheating is like a man who is in control of himself.

And to the original point, I agree. The reason of societys downwall is solely on the shoulders of men, because we tolerate repulsive, hypocritical and weak behaviour.

Correct!

 

[Pandora]

I’m surprised you are not getting enough traffic on this post.

A few months back there was a post about cheating and most men in this forum ganged up on, you guessed it, the cheater.

Its truly fascinating. I think its a weak Western man phenomenon.

Men in the days of the frontier had salons and brothels that married men could visit. Society did not crumble.

Men in China have a whole day called mistress day. Society did not crumble.

Men in the Bible times had concubines, and 2nd wives. Society did not crumble.

A C list celebrity sleeps with a groupie = men calling him the worst person ever, scumbag etc.

 

[Pandora]

Cheating is like acting a man controlled by its primal instincts.

Not cheating is like a man who is in control of himself.

And to the original point, I agree. The reason of societys downwall is solely on the shoulders of men, because we tolerate repulsive, hypocritical and weak behaviour.

You are correct. The question becomes " are men monogamous in nature?". I dont believe they are monogamous. They should not be "cheating". They should be allowed to have multiple wives or concubines that they are legally bounded to. This way they are actually covering a woman and taking care of her.

Ancient cultures used to provide structure to the " cheating" so everyone benefited from it.

As far as control goes, the male sex drive is too strong for most men to control fully. It should be channeled into either multiple wives for controlled prostitution.

 

[Pandora]

99.9% of men would "cheat" if they had the chance and there were no consequences. Have supermodels throwing themselves at you and we will see if you can last 40yrs.

Most men virtue signal because they are stuck with their frumpy wives. They cant have instagram model groupies wanting to suck their duck.

However there are a very small minority of men who actually can stay sexually faithful even if they have all the temptation. These men are very rare.

 

[Pandora]

Back then, none of these examples were considered 'adultery'. Cheating is when you go behind your spouse's back for illicit sexual affairs.

I think the problem is that pandering 'feminist' men want to ingratiate themselves to women for pvssy. And mostly because they cannot get pvssy in another way.

Yes exactly. Weak male feminist do it because it makes them look better in the eye of women. Also because of envy.

 

[Pandora]

Here is the crazy thing. Some men get more angry if you cheat on your girl vs sleeping with a girl in a relationship.

Cheat on your girl = you scum bag horrible person no morals blah blah blah

Sleep with a girl that has a boyfriend = he should have known his gf was a hoe, im doing him a favor, it got nothing to do with me etc

I lost a friend because I told him that I dont look at male infidelity as that big of a deal. Its not ideal but its not the end of the world if it happens once.

I explained to him that I really hate the men that sleep with taken women. To ME that is the real scumbag move that I cant forgive easily.

 

[Pandora]

You can. It's called 'Ethical Non-Monogamy' where you can dip your wick in other women without consequences.
Except that she can be non-monogamous as well and for most guys that's not an option.

Call me a caveman but I believe that a man should have the option of having another woman as long as he is responsible with it. For example, his new woman should not negatively effect his old woman. Both women should be cared for emotionally, physically and finanically.

I promise that this will solve the "dead bedroom" epidemic we have in marriages. It will also decrease divorce rates. No woman wants to lose out to another woman. Competition anxiety is a hell of a drug.

Again the ancient societies already figured this out. It is modern man who is foolish.

The women can not have any other lovers because she will start to treat her husband unfairly. A woman can not love two men at the same time. A man can love 3 women at the same time if he needed to.

 

[Vanderdonck]

You are correct. The question becomes " are men monogamous in nature?". I dont believe they are monogamous. They should not be "cheating". They should be allowed to have multiple wives or concubines that they are legally bounded to. This way they are actually covering a woman and taking care of her.

Ancient cultures used to provide structure to the " cheating" so everyone benefited from it.

As far as control goes, the male sex drive is too strong for most men to control fully. It should be channeled into either multiple wives for controlled prostitution.

I don't think HUMANS are monogamous by nature. We can force ourselves to be but it's repressive. Obviously since both sexes "cheat."

 

[Styr]

Historically, it has (to my knowledge) always been the elites and upper classes (not to be confused with the "upper class" "celebrities" of today) who have done the polygaming. They could take on and care for their many women, and they had the auctoritas to do so. Granted, the lives of said women were not always most enjoyable, but then again, neither was the life of an average man or woman in general. But in on big regard the women had it better. They could be subimmisve and feminine, and rely on a masculine man who did not cater for the whims of the women. Any weak man, especially a king, would have been killed off pretty quickly.

Even today most feminine women would likely prefer a masculine man who has many girls around, than to be forced to become a masculine woman and take care of a *****.