So much hate for women on this site :(

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Sure, I'll blame the man in that case. Just as I'm going to tell a woman to get off her ass and go press charges when she was forcibly raped.

It goes both ways. Especially, as I'd point TO the intrinsic flaws in society that are causing the problem. It's a problem in the courts, the law offices, etc, not necessarily the problem of women itself.

The true source should be addressed. I'm not resenting a woman for how society is.

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Point is, why resent them for what they are? Just accept it, be a man, and move on. You're letting emotions cloud your thoughts.
Exactly, then accept the fact that women are what they are, women, not men. If a woman hit a man lets say a club, or bar, intentionally; does the man defend himself?

Two scenarios:

1. Guys like you will jump in and defend the female if she was hit back, cops are called, guy gets incarcerated.
2. Guy calls the cops, woman get's arrested, get's testimony from every chump on the field that the guy was at fault, leaves jail freely.

This is based off past experience, as I saw.

So you're right were not the same, women think they're always the victim, should be treated like human beings, OOOOOOOWAYYYSS MEEEEE. Bullshlt, deep down they know how much power they hold over men, and they love it.
 

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Plutoman you are uneducated as to how the government and courts are in league with feminists and women...the needs of a technocratic state dovetail hand in hand with the grinding effect of female hypergamy and is thus fully sponsored through schools and media....society is all women and .1% of elite men....99.999% of men are outliers.

you have some serious research ahead of you.

begin with how the Rockefeller foundation backed feminism and why....many many links on google

it is interesting and eye opening.
 

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Plutoman you are uneducated as to how the government and courts are in league with feminists and women
Which is why the first thing I did was ask for a link to the source. I'm able to keep an open mind.

However, the point being - I'm not resenting women for the the men being extreme betas. I don't resent the men, either - they generally don't have a clue. I see no reason to be bitter about the situation. It is what it is, and we work with what we get.

It's simple for me - don't get with a girl that's going to go crazy and initiate domestic violence. I screen out the feminists, and remain perfectly content in life.

This makes life easier for the men on the top - we get to stand apart, and in a good way.
 

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plutoman all enlightened men should walk with their head high, hit the gym, and take no bullsh!t from women.

none of us are victims if we stay aware and educated

you should never get butthurt over individual biyaches...just keep it moving.

what people like myself, danger, and (.)(.) are talking about is systemic, societal injustice against men through courts, education, child custody which women absolutely benefit and perpetuate....and so women are to be blamed for this.

frankly 99% of men including the men on this site who ignorantly attack us are unaware of these underlying injustices...they become aware of them when the woman has already plunged the dagger in deep and it is much much too late.. they are already fvcked.
 

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i have also had really sh1t experiences with men too, who promise me the world and charm me just to get me in to bed and then ditch me....these are young guys too about 24-35....So in my eyes, were really just as bad as each other....
Not the same. Most normal, decent guys guys here can't get a date, are flaked upon, are made fun without knowing it, can't escalate, are used for the girls ego, and more. Sleeping with a guy because he promised a trip to Hawaii and then backed out is different than the basic problems nice regular guys have on here.

The thing that really p1sses me off about guys and especially on here is the amount of disregard you have for females as fellow human beings....
Its not a level playing field and its not business, men are women are different, have different goals at certain ages.

When females sleep with all the hot guys in high school and college, and then come to basic regular guys to settle down, there is going to be anger, frustration, resentment, bitterness with them. It's a feeling of being used by the system.


They are still human beings and i am so glad in this day and age we have women rights,
This is part of the problem. Someone mentioned here that the way to get a women is to make them dependant on you. But if have women's rights and freedom and choices and alimony, why the hell would a woman stay with one guy or treat him nice? I'm all for women rights as well, but in a way it's caused the problems so many guys have with women today.

And all this bullcrap that females shouldnt be paid more then men is truly stupid. Some women work just as hard as men and should be entitled to the same benefits as what a man would receive.
No argument here...the argument is if you get bored and have to find yourself you get divorced and take half the mans money for the rest of your life. The value of women has gone up so much that men have to just shut up and work.

There are bad men out there too...but the system is designed for control over the population, and feminism and women's rights have made the men slave to the women for their entire lives.
 

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Burroughs said:
plutoman all enlightened men should walk with their head high, hit the gym, and take no bullsh!t from women.
Exactly.

Burroughs said:
you should never get butthurt over individual biyaches...just keep it moving.
Even more exactly.

Burroughs said:
what people like myself, danger, and (.)(.) are talking about is systemic, societal injustice against men through courts, education, child custody which women absolutely benefit and perpetuate....and so women are to be blamed for this.
This is where I disagree. Would you blame a snake for biting you when you invaded its turf? Would you blame a bird for taking a **** on your windshield as its flying over your car? Would you blame a deer for eating an apple out of your tree in your backyard?

All of this has something in common; it's the nature of the animal. It's the nature of a person to manipulate in ways that are better for the person in question. Yes, men do it, too.

The problem in society is that women are good at it, and many men don't have a damn clue. The difference between my opinion and yours is that I'm not going to resent them for manipulating society - I'm just going to keep holding my head high and enjoy where I stand in life.

I'm, most especially, not going to let my thoughts on the matter bleed out into the rest of my life. Women are as uneducated as men in these matters. I guarantee most of them wouldn't know, either, how imbalanced the system is. But culturally, we started with swinging a pendulum. We overshot the mark. It'll swing back at some period in time, likely beyond any of our lifetimes.
 
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Not all women will lie, cheat, flake, be prude, etc. It is just the bad seeds out there we have experienced. To say women are what they are because of nature is wrong. Sure you may have had a bad string of women and just generalize that ALL women are this way. They aren't.
 

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Its nice to see that they are guys on here that aren't biased and can see where im coming from.

Yes if a woman physically attacks a man she deserves what she gets and vice versa with that one. No one deserves to be hit/raped or what ever. And coming from a female i actually hate b1tches that take men to the cleaners or use them for what they got...its idiots like them again that give us good ones a bad rep.

Quite frankly it wasnt till i worked and changed my appearance and became "hotter" that men started noticing me. Before then i was quite average and men never looked at me no matter how decent i were to them. It would just be nice to find a man that doesnt judge books by their cover or just want a free fling....And it would be more than nice if girls weren't such game players and in to themselves (im referring to bi/gay ones here ) and actually gave us other girls who aren't part of the "lesbian scene" and a fair go =/
 

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BeginningDJ said:
Not all women will lie, cheat, flake, be prude, etc. It is just the bad seeds out there we have experienced. To say women are what they are because of nature is wrong. Sure you may have had a bad string of women and just generalize that ALL women are this way. They aren't.
Sure, not all but most. You agree?
 

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BeginningDJ said:
Not all women will lie, cheat, flake, be prude, etc. It is just the bad seeds out there we have experienced. To say women are what they are because of nature is wrong. Sure you may have had a bad string of women and just generalize that ALL women are this way. They aren't.
About once a month we have these threads where young men repeat what they heard about women from feminists. Men, we must patiently explain to them how wrong they are. Women are nothing like men.

-- Women's brains are hard-wired to be emotional and link to a limited area when venting. Men's brains are hard-wired to be logical and link to many memories/abilities when solving problems.

-- Girls stop developing mentally as soon as they start developing breasts and, from then on, experience permanent success at getting pleasant attention. This means that, in developed countries, women are stuck at mentally being 13-year-olds for the rest of their lives. Boys, on the other hand, continue to develop gradually, over a very long time. They aren't fully physically mature until in their mid-20s, and not fully mentally mature until about 30. Thus, young men are toughened up and seasoned by the long maturational experience.

-- This means that most women never develop the normal adult ability to empathize. They pass through life in childish ignorance of the true meanings of honesty, loyalty, fidelity, bravery, steadfastness, honor, respect, dignity, charity, compassion, and all those other intangibles that we associate with one word: manhood.

-- To function normally, women's brains depend on a monthly cycle of shifting imbalances of several hormones. Without the ability to empathize, women cannot see things from the point of view of the men in their lives. Women see things only as they experience them. So to women, it's everybody else who makes them feel bad or good. Very few women ever realize that it's them who are tilting up and down on the month-long roller coaster ride. Those who get it -- still can do nothing to stop the wild gyrations in their emotional states.

-- When men are in their 30s and 40s, they're in the prime of life. If they stay active, most men stay robust into old age. Women, on the other hand, falter hormonally, emotionally, and sexually. Once they lose the ability to have children, women are valuable only inasmuch as they serve their families. But they become psychologically unhinged by menopause and push away their husbands and alienate their children. Women continue on a path of increased isolation as men of similar age die at a higher rate.

-- Normal women, who did not go through precocious puberty, develop the ability to pair bond and to nurture children. Early bloomers, on the other hand, are damaged merchandise. They bond to men and children only in as much as oxytoctin and other bonding hormones get released and bind to their chemical receptors (such as during orgasm or breastfeeding). Or they fake bonding out of backhanded selfishness, such as evading loneliness. Meanwhile, almost all men develop the emotional ability to fall in love and pair bond.

-- As the whole world becomes developed, this situation worms its way into every aspect of society and culture. Men feel sympathy for women. Women feel contempt for men. Each man wants to devote himself to a woman. Each woman wants every man in the world to devote themselves to her. To men, it's an impossible inequality that cannot go on. To women, it's just another day.

Young men, women are nothing like you. They are inferior in every way. They are the weaker sex. It is your duty to protect them and to keep them from harming themselves. But it is never your duty to sit there and be physically and/or emotionally beaten up day after day. You can't protect them if you don't protect yourself. And you can't protect them if you surrender all your rights and possessions and wits to them (to weakly wield and to foolishly squander).

Stop singing the self-deprecating song that "I'm the same as a woman." You're not. You're their superior in every way. It's not "hatred" to say so -- any more than it's "discrimination" to say that you're superior to a chimpanzee.
 

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Meh... It's all universal. The reason you hear the "whining" man's perspective is because this site is geared towards men, on how to attract women. Or something like that. Nobody here is dating men, or themselves, so obviously they're going to be focusing on who theyre attracted to (women). This should be common knowledge. Of course guys are no better, and do the same **** they ***** about. But no one cares.

But its all the same for everyone. People are shallow, selfish, etc. They all want someone who's hot and exciting - then ***** about how awful they are, and generalize the whole gender based on their preferences. And thats just it. People are always using their viewpoint from a one-sided perspective. And, its always, always in direct relation to matters pertaining to themselves; their choices, experiences, standards, etc. Thats why a lot of people who generalize and play the victim are typically attracted to a certain type. Its all they focus on; therefore, all they see and know.

No one is really innocent from this. Guys are just as guilty as girls in a number of areas. They avoid nice / plain girls, focus on the wild / hot ones, complain that they suck at life, and eventually settle. All while generalizing the entire gender. Same **** girls do. They try saving men; want what they cant have; go for the high status / hot types... And guys do the exact same thing. And they all complain about how rare good people are - when theyre focusing on not-so-good types. So, yea... They never find them, and complain about trash instead. Its all ass-backwards, and doesnt make any sense, but thats the nature of attraction. Thats why you end up with irrational complaining and such-like.

I hate people.
 
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Sure, not all but most. You agree?
I would not agree most. The reason they respond negatively to your advances is because you don't come across as someone with high value.

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About once a month we have these threads where young men repeat what they heard about women from feminists. Men, we must patiently explain to them how wrong they are. Women are nothing like men.
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Stop singing the self-deprecating song that "I'm the same as a woman." You're not. You're their superior in every way. It's not "hatred" to say so -- any more than it's "discrimination" to say that you're superior to a chimpanzee.
I'm not trying to white knight this thread. Once young men are unplugged, the poison of thinking all women are like this and that is toxic. However, in reality, once a woman has high attraction towards you, you will lose that generalization. There are many "respected" members here that bring negativity about women that makes me wonder how successful they are in the dating market. With all the flame wars and petty insults thrown each others' way, you can really tell who is in control of their emotions.

floydb25 said:
No one is really innocent from this. Guys are just as guilty as girls in a number of areas. They avoid nice / plain girls, focus on the wild / hot ones, complain that they suck at life, and eventually settle. All while generalizing the entire gender. Same **** girls do. They try saving men; want what they cant have; go for the high status / hot types... And guys do the exact same thing. And they all complain about how rare good people are - when theyre focusing on not-so-good types. So, yea... They never find them, and complain about trash instead. Its all ass-backwards, and doesnt make any sense, but thats the nature of attraction. Thats why you end up with irrational complaining and such-like.
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I agree with this. Furthermore, if you are approaching a very attractive woman and you are unattractive, there's a high chance you will get flat out rejected. You think to yourself, how did I get rejected?

1) You are hitting on someone out of your league (prepares to be bashed on)

2) You aren't a special snowflake using PUA techniques

Appearance matters, you wouldn't want to be hit on by an HB5 do you? Just accept the fact she does not find you physically attractive and move on, no need to b*tch about it. If she acts like a prude when you approach, keep in mind, she's probably been hit on many times.

Imagine going to the club and waitresses are going around with "syringe shots," after so many times trying to say no nicely, they keep on coming to you while you are having fun. You just say no, not interested off the bat. Does that sound rude? Maybe to someone who is easily butthurt, but they waitress be better off serving elsewhere and you saved her a lot of time. Same with women, they have heard so many PUA lines and seen many techniques.

What do virtually all men do before they even hit 18? Google "how to get women" and run the PUA scheme on women.

NEWSFLASH: You are not a special snowflake!

Just because you found the SS forums and apply game will not make you successful. That's why you are frustrated! You need to understand the mechanics behind the techniques, ie: why you wait to respond texts, why neg hits work, how c+f works, etc. Once you see the mechanics behind WHY things work, you apply it naturally instead of being in the war room decisively saving it for the perfect timing.

Natural game > PUA game
 

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I take exception to this:

djgirl said:
Its simple, you get a girl pregnant then man up and take responsibility of your consequence instead of being cry babies over it.
Of "your" consequence? Ah, did the woman have anything to do with this in your scenario? Hell yes.

As someone else mentioned briefly - if a man does not want to have a child, he shouldn't be expected to "man up" at all.

Women have to learn the following: A man has every right to go out and ball as many women as he damn well pleases. Yes I think the guy should sort contraception as well, but - and listen up - unless there is mutual agreement between that guy and girl, on having a child, the man should NOT have to take any responsibility if the woman gets pregnant.

As is also mentioned, the woman can claim her self rights, take control of here body, and manage to the best of her abilities NOT to get pregnant.

I would like to see your comments on this. It is total bull**** that as a guy, you have sex with a woman, she gets pregnant, and then you are expected to man up. There are far too many guys forced into fatherhood, which then breeds more solo mothers in society when he walks out, etc etc.

Fvk that.
 

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HeadLightsOn said:
I take exception to this:



Of "your" consequence? Ah, did the woman have anything to do with this in your scenario? Hell yes.

As someone else mentioned briefly - if a man does not want to have a child, he shouldn't be expected to "man up" at all.

Women have to learn the following: A man has every right to go out and ball as many women as he damn well pleases. Yes I think the guy should sort contraception as well, but - and listen up - unless there is mutual agreement between that guy and girl, on having a child, the man should NOT have to take any responsibility if the woman gets pregnant.

As is also mentioned, the woman can claim her self rights, take control of here body, and manage to the best of her abilities NOT to get pregnant.

I would like to see your comments on this. It is total bull**** that as a guy, you have sex with a woman, she gets pregnant, and then you are expected to man up. There are far too many guys forced into fatherhood, which then breeds more solo mothers in society when he walks out, etc etc.

Fvk that.
its disheartening to know that if you got a girl pregnant even if you didnt mean to you wouldnt want anything to do with her or the baby afterwards?? you wouldnt do the right thing and take some sort of care for YOUR child? its half half here, you both made this happen together, it happened whether it was your intention to get her pregnant or not and its sad that you think you shouldnt have to give a **** about a baby thats yours too just because you didnt want to get her pregnant in the first place =/ I know if i was a guy and i fu**ed a girl and accidently got her pregnant, even though i didnt want to id still want something to do with that kids life......
 

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djgirl said:
its disheartening to know that if you got a girl pregnant even if you didnt mean to you wouldnt want anything to do with her or the baby afterwards?? you wouldnt do the right thing and take some sort of care for YOUR child? its half half here, you both made this happen together, it happened whether it was your intention to get her pregnant or not and its sad that you think you shouldnt have to give a **** about a baby thats yours too just because you didnt want to get her pregnant in the first place =/ I know if i was a guy and i fu**ed a girl and accidently got her pregnant, even though i didnt want to id still want something to do with that kids life......
djgirl, you are missing my point. I MAY want to have something to do with the child, yes, however that is still my CHOICE. However as you say here:

djgirl said:
I know if i was a guy and i fu**ed a girl and accidently got her pregnant, even though i didnt want to id still want something to do with that kids life......
That's you. And no offense but - you aren't a guy. The point to take from all this is this: A man has sex with a woman. A pregnancy occurs, unintended by both parties. The woman wants to keep the baby and carry on in life. That doesn't mean that I should be forced into fatherhood, into paying support, and all the BS that comes along in the current PC society. Don't you get that?

On top of that, as you wrote in your initial post, there are many, many women who will trap a man into this situation. That is morally wrong. That is more what I am referring to.

And there is nothing you can say to me that will change my mind on this point. Would YOU want to be forced - without your c o n s e n t - into any situation? We both know the answer to that.

Heck if I WAS you, I really would stick to dating chicks ;)
 

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got this pisses me off. ( obvs because every relocation i have with a women i have been burned in a grease fire. )


this just makes me so angry i am lost for words.. the emotional part of me wants to say. stop making it IMPOSSABLE for someone who is not the 1% of guys in the world to get some sex. ( i'm talking about the uggos. you know the hb 3 who you would do thinks she can get a 10 now? really?!)


the logic part of me whats to say: you hold it so close to your chest guys just don't get it anymore. sure that has mostly due to social condition. though social media has a huge part to play in this too. the internet hosts website after website of internet dating sited and social sites like facbook. where i girl can log in and get isnta gratification no mater what she looks like.

a guy like me. will get NOTHING online if i just put some crappy words on my profile and a half decent picture. that's just how f'ed the world is now. men need to take back whats there's like the 60's. until then. i won't get sexy till i'm 25. i'll be going out 2 nights a week. improve myself to the MAX and then eventually make the standards of a HB3.


who's to blame here? no one really. women have there part to play, but guys have there party to play also.
 

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djgirl, sincerely : you should listen to what incognito said.

incognito42 said:
Dont fret too much over it djgirl, There's a lot of pathetic men here. Men who have a lifetime of bad experiences with their sexuality and intimacy. So as to not blow their brains out, and to feel like they have some power (they don't) they rationalize all their failures as the woman being the enemy.
If misogyny and victim mentality is a defense/coping mechanism, you CANNOT change that by calmly and rationally arguing against it. You need to address the problem (ie. loneliness, psychological despair, anger over divorce, whatever) which underlies it. And ultimately, that "healing" is success with women and overall success in life -- which for a long time was the entire purpose of this site.

That requires a certain shift in attitude though; that 1) you are capable of winning, 2) that the successes of your future outweigh the failure in your past, and 3) that your are willing to try, and maybe fail. It also requires complete self-honesty which can easily bring you to hit rock-bottom. That's not trivial.

I've been on both sides of the coin here -- it really can seem like the entire world is against you, or that it's your oyster. The shoe tends to drop when guys realize that being angry and hateful all the time isn't cutting it -- deep down, most people will understand that it's a sh!tty way to live and tend to break down and seek help. I'm not positive because the world is a nice or easy place -- it's critical to your spiritual stamina, to push through the many setbacks you will invariably endure.

Be careful though because it will not be healthy to have the afflicted triangulate out their existential agony on you. I have my limits too; since 2010 or so this place has gone down the tubes. In life you want to surround yourself with positive people; there can be consequences to absorbing too much negativity.
 

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But seriously some guys should get in the 21st century already, girls of today arent like the girls of 20 years ago!
I must say that this is truly a shame, not just for the men who want a woman to cook and clean for them, but for society as a whole. The whole women's rights movement has been effective in not only giving women the right to vote and work, but has also been effective in removing the feminine aspect from women.

I honestly appreciate the idea of women who aim to care for their families by cooking the meals, cleaning the house, looking after the children, and being a compliment to her man who goes out to bust his ass to provide the money for the food she cooks, the cleaning products she uses, and the toys for the children. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this scenario, and it provides more of a 'teamwork' attitude in a marriage where both parties are fulfilling roles that they are naturally best suited for. The women nurture and care while the men work and provide.

Women bytching about the thought of being '50s housewives' is equal to men bytching about being '50s providers'. What do you think would happen if men decided that working for a living is stereotypical of the 'old way' and shouldn't be forced to hold down a job anymore? The entire world would fall apart.

Another thing you'll notice is that the more women decided to no longer be '50s housewives' the more the divorce rate has gone up. The common denominator between the 50s and today is that men are still in the workplace. The part that's changed in the last 60 years is that women are no longer wanting to be the nurturing equasion of the marriage and are more interested in being self-sufficient instead of being reliant on a provider. As a result, the house suffers in cleanliness, people are no longer talented in cooking meals, and children spend less time bonding with parents. All the woman is doing is making money so she can pay for things that she could be doing herself like hiring housekeeping, taking the family out for a meal, and paying for child care. The family would benefit MORE if she stayed at home and did all these things herself, but society says we shouldn't have a 50s housewife, and it would be better to neglect all these things in order to make the women's rights movement successful!
 
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