So I got this 25 year old friend who's a virgin

[Alle_Gory]

No you are stretching the passage to suit a moral belief that's not stated in the passage. You believe the wickedness is spilling seed. I believe the wickedness is contempt for a ceremonial law. We do not agree there. He could have had sex with her a future time and put his seed into her. Some contempt was in his heart towards his dead brother, the Lord saw that and punished him. Any further intepretation beyond that is a grey area -- a BIG grey area:

Furthermore a woman was involved. You cant overlook that fact. It also adds another dimension. The passage may be saying, if you start having sex with a woman, you have to complete it inside her vagina to orgasm. Or, you know what -- it could be saying that you cant wear a condom or any contraceptive device if you are having sex -- even if you are married. That would be a second and third interpretation to that passage that doesn't conform to your idea. All that passage can say is you have to have sex with a woman without using contraceptives, such as birth control, condoms, or anything that would allow the natural fertilization of the ovum. All these interpretations exist where a woman is involved - a REAL woman. So where does that leave that without a woman. Show me a passage where the Bible says something that's black and white, not subject to interpretation or grey areas, about masturbation -- let's face it, nothing there.

I think you are struggling to take some obscure passage of scripture, twisting it out of context to try and fit it into some belief that is not clear.

There are MANY, MANY, passages that clearly define fornication and adultery throughout the Bible, more in particular in the New Testament, and I don't have to rely on strething some obscure passage somewhere and twisting it around on some interpretation because it's black and white. The topic of masturbation clearly is full of holes since we cant even agree on what was wicked.

You fail to see context is important. For example, the Bible says thou shalt not kill. Does that mean you cant kill in self-defence or in war? Of course not, the context defines the morality of that commandment. There is no commandment that is generally given about masturbation. There are plenty of verses that talk about fornication and adultery that you have to twist the bible around to try to justify doing that rather than the other way around as you are doing here.




Right, and sure is eating ice cream. Again you are twisting scriptures. Show me a clear black and white scripture that deals with masturbation. Nothing there.

TLDR

 

[I.A.F.Y.B.]

Stop talking about religion!!!! I make one commet that he could be celibant then, everyone starts going off.

Its about this guys friend who acts like he can get laid but, doesn't... for whatever excuse. Lets focus on that!

 

[douglast]

**** man, this is what separate men and boys. When I first join the community, i did admit i was a social failure. So i ****ing try EVERYTHING and i mean everything. I went out hit on girls even when i felt extreme pain from social and approach anxiety.

The first girl i approach direct, i literally felt pain in my spine. It paralyze me for 10 seconds. I tried walking around peacock to the roof for a while, net shirt, eye liner etc.

I suffer immense social embarrasment in the name of the game many times to make this **** happens.

When you admit you hit rock bottom and being a social failure, the only way is up and you're willing to risk all to grow and learn.

When you refuse to do that, then you will forever stuck in that stupid pit and never grow.

Which is why when i look at certain guy who join the community who has the same level of social skills i have when i first join. Believe me, this is rare lol. I look at how much honesty they're willing to admit for themselves and how much they're willing to push themselves then i judge wether they will become successful.

Almost all of the one who start where i start fails. I think pretty much all.

you´re right.
so you suceeded in starting from 0.0, socially retarted, getting successful?
i´m trying, but it seems to be the toughest quest you could imagine...

 

[StevenR]

To set the record straight here, I'm not endorsing watching porn. Alle_Gory is obviously weak in the Bible and doesn't know to bring up the right verses to address the issue. If you are looking at hardcore porn, you are basically participating in an orgy. Softcore porn is a bit more ambigious. If you are appreciating the beauty of the female and studying her anatomy, but not getting overly sexually aroused, then it could be artistic.

As a matter of fact, I do not look at hardcore porn, and any porn I do look at may just be nude exotic woman where I'm appreciating their beauty for a duration of 5 minutes, or 7 minutes if they are on a natural scene accompanied by nice music and it's limited to that on occasion (not systematic). No lust is really involved other than an apperciation of beauty.
I'm sensitive to what is going in my mind and very accountable and have a online stopwatch to ensure the times are being adhered to.

Occasionally, the Lord will look down and monitor what I'm doing and say that He doesn't like it. When He does so, usually using my mom as an oracle, then I'll suspend such viewing for the rest of the month (the reset). Usually nothing is said unless I do something like watch a naked woman every single day. An occasional glance in a blue moon doesn't seem like anything.

If I do slip up - the worst case scenerio would be that I extended that time-limit and watched softcore porn and used an FL -but that's still controlled under a 3-strikes reguime on a month (usually under an hour per slip-up).

The premise of the above is because my long-distance girlfriend says it's okay with her and she wont feel bad or that I'm cheating with her if I engaged in this behavour -- so long as not a real woman is involved. Premise justification is between January 15th to April 15th. After April 15th, all porn viewing will be stopped (the expiration).

Luke, I gotta give you credit, you have accomplished a troll job of truly epic proportions. I have gotten a few hearty chuckles upon reading your posts here on more than one occasion.

 

[OTB]

Basically, I ask him, how come he doesnt go out, talk to girls and get laid.

here's the laundry list of his excuses:
-He's too pure for it
-Most girls arent pretty enough for him, because he watch too much porn, and gets too picky.

He's too pure to talk and interact with the opposite gender, but he's not too pure to sit at home and jerk off to porn all day?

That is just priceless! :crackup:

 

[OTB]

The farther back you draw the bow, the further the arrow flies.

Could you please elaborate a bit on this wonderful proverb?

 

[OTB]

Your statement to "man up" is completely illogical. It's not one life changing realization that's going to make virgins say "Oh, ok, I should just man up. I can't believe how easy it is to sleep with women now." It doesn't happen that way for them because you can do it. Some are scared, some have image issues, some have body issues, some have family issues, some have girl issues. It's a work in progress for them as with anyone who is good at something. Can you tell a tennis professional to "man up" and go to the US open? Can you tell a musician to "man up" and produce a top ten hit? Can you tell a hockey player to "man up" and make the NHL? Of course not. You can't be so judgmental because you are good at something.

You need to get some compassion in you bro. I could say the same thing to you, just "man up" and get rich, it's damn easy.

Why are you automatically assuming that the OP is good with girls?

 

[Jesus]

Masturbation and drinking alcohol are not listed as sins anywhere in the Bible.
Drunkeness is (that is EXCESSIVE consumption of alchohol). The term masturbation is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible.

The Bible is black and white in matters of human-human intercourse, not really clear in matters of doing yourself.



Fundamentally, first and foremost God cares exactly what you have done with Jesus. If you have not received Jesus as your saviour, then no amount of good works in the world can buy your own salvation.

The Bible says that there is no righteous person, and that God views our good deeds, (without Christ), at best, as filthy rags.



Well, it appears that you keep raising an issue about that. I'm stating what the Bible is saying. The Bible says not to let fornication be named ONCE among you. It didn't say TWICE, or THREE times, or FIVE times, it says ONCE. There is an expectation on a Christian to stay the heck away from fornication as it's not good.

As a matter of fact, I'll even go as far as quoting the scripture:

Ephesians 5:3 "But FORNICATION, and all uncleanness, or coveteousness, let it NOT be ONCE named among you, as becometh saints..."

So you know what -- being a virgin could be named among a saint -- if someone has fornicated in the past and repented of it, they are not expected to do so again once they have become a saint, however, if you choose to continue to fornicate as a lifestyle, even once, then you are contravening this passage of scripture.

No loopholes -- Bible takes a strong stand.

Goddamn you're a nutjob.

 

[OTB]

If it makes you feel better to use the Bible as an excuse not to approach, relate, and have sex with women, more power to you!

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

 

[OTB]

Masturbation and drinking alcohol are not listed as sins anywhere in the Bible.
Drunkeness is (that is EXCESSIVE consumption of alchohol). The term masturbation is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible.

The Bible is black and white in matters of human-human intercourse, not really clear in matters of doing yourself.



Fundamentally, first and foremost God cares exactly what you have done with Jesus. If you have not received Jesus as your saviour, then no amount of good works in the world can buy your own salvation.

The Bible says that there is no righteous person, and that God views our good deeds, (without Christ), at best, as filthy rags.



Well, it appears that you keep raising an issue about that. I'm stating what the Bible is saying. The Bible says not to let fornication be named ONCE among you. It didn't say TWICE, or THREE times, or FIVE times, it says ONCE. There is an expectation on a Christian to stay the heck away from fornication as it's not good.

As a matter of fact, I'll even go as far as quoting the scripture:

Ephesians 5:3 "But FORNICATION, and all uncleanness, or coveteousness, let it NOT be ONCE named among you, as becometh saints..."

So you know what -- being a virgin could be named among a saint -- if someone has fornicated in the past and repented of it, they are not expected to do so again once they have become a saint, however, if you choose to continue to fornicate as a lifestyle, even once, then you are contravening this passage of scripture.

No loopholes -- Bible takes a strong stand.

Goddamn you're a nutjob.

And that's coming from a man named Jesus!

 

[OTB]

"But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell." Matthew 5:27-30.

You sin every time you go to that porn site and lust for those women. The bible is very clear as to what you do next.

You're right Alle_Gory, it seems pretty clear to me! :yes:

 

[DonJuan11]

Why are you automatically assuming that the OP is good with girls?

Because he's putting down inexperienced guys. If you are are not good at something, you don't put down other people who are not good at it. Only if you are good at something you feel you are entitled to put down other people who are not good.

 

[iambrian81]

I wont say I am at mystery level or my game is at epic proportion, however, i have enough dedication to do thousands of approaches and get laid quite a few times.

Also, I dont have the kind of bull**** limiting belief that luke skywalker have, being a 32 year old virgin AND at the same time tries to give pickup advice with that kind of background.

let's just put it this way, if you get laid at least over a dozen time, chances are, i prob wont give you much advice because you arent really worse than me. However, i do think i am MORE than qualify to give a 32 year old virgin advice, or any virgin for that matter.

 

[Energizer]

I lost my virginity in a one night stand because my arsehole mates kept mocking me and saying "why don't you **** her or her?", It got to the point where I had sex to get them off my back and for a while I was pleased I did it. But I regret it and wish I was still a Virgin. Virginity is not a dirty word, I really I wasn't so stupid.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

IAlso, I dont have the kind of bull**** limiting belief that luke skywalker have, being a 32 year old virgin AND at the same time tries to give pickup advice with that kind of background.

let's just put it this way, if you get laid at least over a dozen time, chances are, i prob wont give you much advice because you arent really worse than me. However, i do think i am MORE than qualify to give a 32 year old virgin advice, or any virgin for that matter.

Hey dude, before you open your big mouth you may want to complete this thread where I gave warrior a whopping on similar arguements like that -- it looks like he went down for the 10 count since he didn't reply to my last post.

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=156541

In fact, I made one comment on that thread, which people jumped on the bandwagon and said I am giving pick up advice, and I actually do not really give advice on here. But I like a good fight. Lets see what you are just another stupid talker, or if you can actually fight how I ended that thread.

 

[izza]

Basically, I ask him, how come he doesnt go out, talk to girls and get laid.

here's the laundry list of his excuses:
-He's too pure for it
-Most girls arent pretty enough for him, because he watch too much porn, and gets too picky.
-he gets bored with girls easily
-He could've get laid a bunch of times in the past but chooses not to

The thing is, almost all virgin have the SAME ****ing list of bull**** excuses on why they dont get laid. Until they man up and admit they're a social failure, they will never learn how to get laid and connect with women. The biggest example in this forum is luke skywalker, 32 year old virgin still living with his mom.

I've never had intercourse (I've had like blow jobs but not sex sex).

And even I think this guy's excuses sound fishy.

I do not regret my virginity at all and I'm 25. I have no trouble meeting women or attracting them. I am just still figuring out who I am, and what my values are about sex stuff. I imagine I will choose to lose my virginity sometime soon. It's hard to predict. I've been offered sex before and I said no.

I read a lot about sexology and gender relations. A lot of observers think it's a shame that our society lacks real "rites of adulthood" like other cultures have. Unfortunately, our rites of adulthood have become drinking and having sex, maybe using drugs. These have become ways we distance ourselves from parents and childhood, ways we demarcate our supposed maturity.

In reality, although these are adult behaviors, doing them doesn't mean you're acting (or thinking) like an adult. In general, I would just say leave this guy alone. Are YOU having all the sex you want? I think that perhaps you're not, and that may be the real problem here.

Because if YOU are totally satisfied with your sex life, you truly won't give a crap what this friend of yours chooses to do. Only dissatisfied people feel a need to convince others to go out and have sex.

Even if he's not having sex out of fear, and making excuses that's FINE! When he's ready, he'll choose to have sex. If you really want to help him, help him understand his own discomforts. There are a lot of awful aspects to dating. There are lots of reasons I never dated much - because I think a lot of dating is BS and I always hated it. Always. Now that I understand the parts of dating I don't like, I avoid them, and I'm very happy.

Izza

 

[Alle_Gory]

I actually do not really give advice on here.

But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

But I like a good fight.

For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. Thessalonians 5:9

Lets see what you are just another stupid talker, or if you can actually fight how I ended that thread.

There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers. Proverbs 6:16-19



Even the bible is telling you to stop being a douche Luke.

 

[Jesus]

And that's coming from a man named Jesus!

Thus saith the lord.

 

[iambrian81]

Luke skywalker is a funny funny man. Instead of actually going out and losing his virginity, he wanted to be a "hero" of sosuave.net by "giving other people a whopping ass beating ON A MESSAGE BOARD".

However, here's the reality luke, except for you, everyone else here thinks you're a ****ing loser.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Luke skywalker is a funny funny man. Instead of actually going out and losing his virginity, he wanted to be a "hero" of sosuave.net by "giving other people a whopping ass beating ON A MESSAGE BOARD".

However, here's the reality luke, except for you, everyone else here thinks you're a ****ing loser.

Deal with the issue on the other thread that I put the link on or shut-up. Obviously I must have said something there that you cant even reply to. I'm not going to waste my time on here, I'm out.