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Alright, I think I can comment on this one.

Two years ago, I left a relationship with a good woman who had three kids. I was with her for 10, count 'em girls, 10 years. Lived with her and one of them for 5 years...

I became number one in her life without a doubt, but her kids were always a part of it. One thing you can't do early on is insult the kids. What you can do is draw attention to some behaviors and situations that may bother you, and discuss the impact they have. Most good women will take the steps necessary to minimize conflicts with their kids if you act intelligently about it.

You gotta have some tact in this, much more so than discussing a woman's body, and we all know how crazy that can get.

Again, I have lots of experience with this, so if you want to chat more about it, let me know.

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Originally posted by Dark Nimbus
You didn’t answer my question Starman, so I’ll assume you don’t have kids and you “don’t really know” either. I personally don’t care what you’ve read or haven’t read, I’m just arguing a point to hear some feedback, and I don’t need quotes from your evolutionary theory books to prove me wrong, but obviously you don’t have a mind of your own so go ahead and quote your books for me if it’ll make you feel better.

Trust me, it wouldn’t make me feel insecure if my wife loved the kids more then me, it’s just not how “I” think it should work. Too bad if it’s not the typical evolutionary method and it goes against your beliefs, but survival is largely based on adaptation and maybe my way of thinking will make my offspring more confident then yours and eventually become the norm.

To answer your question, OBVIOUSLY being loved by your partner makes you feel good, duh! But explain to me how that makes me self absorbed when I love my partner equally as much?

I won’t bother to comment on what type of love a child will provide me with because I don’t have kids.

Sure thing Dark Anus,

Whenever somebody has facts to support their statements (unlike you) they dont have a mind of their own eh?

I dont have kids..but my sister is a single mother..and she would NEVER put a guy before her child.

Furthermore, to support what I say,
The female in the original post told Rev that she will not tolerate putting her children 2nd.

and your putting your own need for love and affection from your mate before a childs is completely selfish..whether you return the love to your mate 10 fold.

your idea that partners should focus on their own love first then the childs is baseless and unrealistic.

I weep for the future of your progeny.
 

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Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova

I guess the problem is that I don't understand what the problem is. I say that a mom should love her kids more than anyone or anything, including the father -- and the father should love his kids more than anyone or anything, including the mother. You say, no, the mother and father should love each other more than they love their kids. But then we use examples where a parent is forced to choose between the kid and the spouse and we both agree the parent should chose the kid. Perhaps we disagree not on the concept but on the semantics of it... I don't really know. All I know is this: I love Jen as much as I love myself. But I love Hannah MORE than I love myself. Make sense?
It makes sense, except you putting Hannah above Jen is what I find strange. The only time I would do that is if my kid’s life was at risk because of my responsibility as a father to protect my kids at all costs, even if it meant choosing to save their lives over that of my wife. At any other time however, my wife is my priority.

I DO make Jen happy, and that DOES make Hannah happy, but that doesn't change the fact that Hannah is the number one priority for both of us. You act as though love is like money, and if I give all of it to Hannah, there will be none left for Jen. That's not the way it works. Hannah can be the most important thing to me, and I can love Jen very deeply, simultaneously. My love for Jen doesn't get reduced simply because Hannah is the first priority.
I’m not saying love is like money, and I made it clear when I said regardless where the focus is (kids or wife) nobody’s love starved in either your or my idea of where you place your priorities. The difference is where your priorities are and how the kids will interpret it.

I guess that depends on your definition of a "good wife", but to me, a good wife is first and foremost a good mother.
True, but she can be a good mother while still making you the first priority.
 

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Originally posted by Starman

Sure thing Dark Anus,
I hope it makes you feel better poking fun of my nick, but just know it makes you sound like an idiot.

Whenever somebody has facts to support their statements (unlike you) they dont have a mind of their own eh?
This is a discussion board, not a library, if I want facts I’ll go to a library, if I want to hear people’s general opinions on certain topics, I’ll post here. Am I going to fast for you here??

I dont have kids..but my sister is a single mother..and she would NEVER put a guy before her child.
Well then, I guess this puts this topic to rest once and for all, because it’s obviously pointless to argue with that. Although… my father’s brother’s third cousin’s sisters mother aunt has three kids, and she put’s her husband before her kids, so who knows, maybe I am right.

Furthermore, to support what I say,
The female in the original post told Rev that she will not tolerate putting her children 2nd.

and your putting your own need for love and affection from your mate before a childs is completely selfish..whether you return the love to your mate 10 fold.
Selfish? Says who? You? If you don’t agree with it that’s fine, but at least explain to me how it’s selfish instead of telling me it’s selfish over and over.

your idea that partners should focus on their own love first then the childs is baseless and unrealistic.
As is your narrow minded opinion that your children become the pinnacle of your existence, above that of the woman who gave them to you.

I weep for the future of your progeny.
I weep for the doctor that has to pull out whatever’s up your a$$.
 

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All right, if anyone expects me to agree with any of this "your spouse should be first priority, even above the kids" bullsh*t, they're going to have to spell out specifically exactly what that means. In what way do you love your spouse (or boyfriend/girlfriend) more than your children? Because I can spell out a million and one different ways in which my child is number one while my spouse is a close second. Can any of you do the same?
 

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Originally posted by Giovanni Casanova
All right, if anyone expects me to agree with any of this "your spouse should be first priority, even above the kids" bullsh*t, they're going to have to spell out specifically exactly what that means. In what way do you love your spouse (or boyfriend/girlfriend) more than your children? Because I can spell out a million and one different ways in which my child is number one while my spouse is a close second. Can any of you do the same?
If it sounds like BS to you that's fine, I'm not here to change your views. I was just curious about how others view their relationships. Some people like Starman are getting way to over worked about this topic.

Btw, Starman, there's no such thing as facts when it comes to human behavior, because if you expect someone to react a certain way you'll always be surprised. That's why marketing is so difficult, because you can only predict based on averages and numbers, but this isn't something you can give a definitive fact for like a mathematical equation.

If you still think I'm the only one thinking like this though here are some various sources I just found on the net that support my idea. I suggest you read the first one though since it hits on the topic more directly.

http://www.marriagebuilders.com/graphic/mbi8112_care.html

Here are links and quotes from two other sites that touch on the topic:

http://www.whatgoesintothemind.com/firstchapter.asp?mode=view&index=270

In order to thrive, your marriage must be your number one priority—at the top of your list. And your spouse needs to see this every day. The principle is simple: If your partner doesn’t feel she is special to you, sooner or later she’ll be tempted to find someone who does make her feel special.
It’s not easy to keep marriage at the top of your priority list when there are so many other demands on your time: demanding jobs, demanding children, and other demanding responsibilities. While each has its place in your life, developing a healthy marriage is most important and should be given more attention than your other responsibilities.

http://www.rabbigold.com/faq9.html (Ironic that I don't believe in any religion, but most of the sites that support my point are religious)

It is interesting that Christian tradition also sees "honoring one's wife" as the priority for a husband. The New Testament teaches "Grant her honor." (1 Peter 3:7) Christian scholar and lecturer Gary Smalley writes, "Honor basically means to attach high value, worth, or importance to a person or thing." What does it mean to honor her more than himself? It means a husband must make his wife the number one priority in his life. It says that her value exceeds anything else - his parents, his children, his business, even his very being. If it is a choice between a man's wife and his parents, his wife takes priority. For the Torah teaches "a man shall leave his mother and father and cleave onto his wife." (Genesis 2:24) Similarly, if it is a choice between a man's wife and his children, his wife takes priority - for his children will grow up, leave, and cleave onto their own spouses. Amongst all our obligations to our various family members, the primary responsibility is to our spouse. The choice between a man's business and his wife is more difficult for many men. Males often tend to establish their identity by their profession and earning power. Perhaps that is the reason King Solomon, in his search for the ultimate purpose of life, concluded: "Enjoy happiness with a woman you love all the fleeting days of life that have been granted to you under the sun -all your fleeting days." (Ecclesiastes 9:9)
A man's wife is to be more important than even his business. Honoring her more than one self means that marriage ought to be the ultimate in selflessness. It requires a deep sensitivity to her needs and an attempt to fulfill those needs, even if it means compromise one's own desires.
 

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Nimbus right over your head..if you are presenting an opinion say so..Im in the mental health field and am talking from experience.

ohh and how is taking my sisters experience a far fetched one? Nice try, you lose.

ohh and how is loving your partner selfish?

Think about it genius.

What does the need for affection, affiliation, companionship, sex, happiness, etc do for you as a person?

In order for you to get all of those things..you have to give it to the person that will provide it for you...but you seem too inexperienced to observe that an equal distribution of love will do the same thing, if not more.

READ ME:

RANKING A CHILD 2nd in a family circle..will always make him feel 2nd place in life.

End of story.
 

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Originally posted by Dark Nimbus
Lotsa stuff from the Holy Bible about how a man honor his wife above all else blah blah blah...
Couple of points:

a) Seems to me this thread was about wives/girlfriends not honoring their men enough, suddenly it's about husbands cleaving onto wives??...

b)...That all sounds suspiciously like "putting the woman on a pedestal" (A no no in the DJ Bible)

c) At what stage of a relationship between a single mother and her new boyfriend is the new boyfriend supposed to take primacy over the kids? Before or after marriage/sex/kissing/some other perhaps verbal agreement? How are the kids supposed to react during their transition from primary to secondary importance in their mother's life?
 

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Howie...It seems like only a few people understand that concept...the others just have past hang ups where they weren't #1 in competition with children..and demand that parents love each other before their children
 

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Originally posted by Starman
Nimbus right over your head..if you are presenting an opinion say so..Im in the mental health field and am talking from experience.
That explains your self-proclaimed superiority complex since you're surrounded by people with mental health problems. Makes me wonder if you diagnose your patients with some kind of mental health problems as quickly as you did me.

ohh and how is taking my sisters experience a far fetched one? Nice try, you lose.
It's not far fetched, it just proves you have no first hand experience just like me, so your opinion is as good as mine.

ohh and how is loving your partner selfish?
Think about it genius.
What does the need for affection, affiliation, companionship, sex, happiness, etc do for you as a person?
In order for you to get all of those things..you have to give it to the person that will provide it for you...but you seem too inexperienced to observe that an equal distribution of love will do the same thing, if not more.
Oh really? and what "experience" are you basing all this on, your sisters situation again? and what the hell is your point? I already know that to receive affection, affiliation, companionship, etc I have to give it. What does this prove?

READ ME:
RANKING A CHILD 2nd in a family circle..will always make him feel 2nd place in life.
End of story.
LOL. Gotta love people like you who throw the blinders on and go through life thinking their way is the only way.
 

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Originally posted by Howie Farkes
Couple of points:

a) Seems to me this thread was about wives/girlfriends not honoring their men enough, suddenly it's about husbands cleaving onto wives??...
Threads tend to deviate or evolve.

b)...That all sounds suspiciously like "putting the woman on a pedestal" (A no no in the DJ Bible)
No, it just means putting her above the kid.

c) At what stage of a relationship between a single mother and her new boyfriend is the new boyfriend supposed to take primacy over the kids? Before or after marriage/sex/kissing/some other perhaps verbal agreement? How are the kids supposed to react during their transition from primary to secondary importance in their mother's life?
When you're not the biological father the answer is never as far as I'm concerned.

Anyways, I think I'll quit arguing my point since it seems I'm the only one who thinks this way around here, so I'll just go back to lurking for the most part because I don't have the time to keep responding to all these posts. Peace.
 

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Originally posted by Demon
Nimbus you're wrong. End of story. Case closed.
I think he's right and you're wrong. End of story. Case closed.

See, it looks stupid coming from me, right? Well it looks just as stupid coming from you. BBSs are places to give your opinion, and people can choose to agree or disagree.

What I find interesting about this thread is the guys who are attempting to be DJs who are 1) insecure, 2) inarticulate, 3) abusive, 4) illogical, and 5) childish ("Dark Anus" anyone?).

Whatever happened to calm, cool and collected?

A lot of you so-called DJs need to rethink your attitudes to life. Being a DJ is about self-improvement.

Now do yourself a favour, and save your abusive reply for someone who cares.

Oscar.
 

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Oscar Meyer,

put a sock in it corky.

You wouldnt know humor if it danced up to you in leather pants.

4 shore Forums are for discussion..but if you are going to make a preposterous assumption at least back it up with some logical reasoning..

Otherwise , The discussion becomes a bore..and I go into satire mode
 

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Originally posted by Starman
Sure thing Dark Anus,

Whenever somebody has facts to support their statements (unlike you) they dont have a mind of their own eh?

I dont have kids..but my sister is a single mother..and she would NEVER put a guy before her child.

Furthermore, to support what I say,
The female in the original post told Rev that she will not tolerate putting her children 2nd.

and your putting your own need for love and affection from your mate before a childs is completely selfish..whether you return the love to your mate 10 fold.

your idea that partners should focus on their own love first then the childs is baseless and unrealistic.

I weep for the future of your progeny.
Sure, I can just see the humour flowing from you in this post :)

There is no humour present in the quoted post, just abuse.

A smilie is when you do colon, close parens like this :)

Text is a difficult medium to communicate tone and emotion, and if you were genuinely attempting humour perhaps you could throw in a smilie or 2, it helps.

Otherwise you just look like an abusive git.

Regards,
Oscar.
 

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Originally posted by Demon
If Oscar is calling these posts "abusive", he must have never seen my replies to SAV40.
All these bloody over-testosteronised alpha males... :)

I'll have a look later if I'm bored...

Semi-relevant link on original(ish) topic: article


Cheers,
Osc.
 

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smilies are for women and queers..I can give two bloody rags whether my text is translated as discussion, abuse, or advice

:)

there , do you feel all warm and giddy inside? glad I could help
 

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I cant really see my Mom putting some guy who isnt my dad before me...

And plus as far as who is putting who first..i think that really isnt fair to classify it like that. The bonds experianced with in a family with kids is entirely different than one without kids. I believe that there are certain times when the kids come first..and certain times when the spouse comes first..but it shouldnt even be viewed on a hierarchical scale. I think there is a capacity to be equal in affection as well...my 2 cents

BTW this is my opinion im not dissing other ppls views..so dont bother trying to flame.
 
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