She will let you know

[SW15]

Men lose confidence with hair loss. They at first don't feel like themselves; they don't look like themselves...until they recalibrate to the current reality. It's no dfferent than aging. We change through time (Shrugs).

I have good hair. Minimal recission in my early 40s and no grays. It's a part of my confidence. It is the variable where I have the strongest performance of @Mike32ct 's "Height, Hair, Money" keys to success for men 35+.

that guy needs to leave the house. He mentioned no real trouble meeting women...(screening was another matter), but after a full day being drained by a sales job, he enjoys his alone time to recoup. That's what is holding him from exposure, which he acknowledged.

That sounds like an introvert to me. I am somewhat of an introvert myself and why the sigma male stereotype fits me best. The lone wolf avatar represents my sigma male status.

I told him he'd do great with a med tech/lab tech/vet tech type chick. He laughed. Those gals are out there, but perhaps not the easiest to find.

It's difficult to seek a woman in a specific career. Med tech and dental hygienists are desirable women. It's difficult to find them out in the real world.

 

[Barrister]

I imagine this is the kind of guy that on a date talks 75% of the time and tries to impress the woman with his accomplishments or whatever. Dating gurus such as OG Doc Love or later on Corey Wayne would advise against this behaviour because women like the strong, silent type; love mystery in a guy and discovering him slowly.

Not at all. You’re confusing simply being socially calibrated to know when to shut up during a date. Two very different things.

 

[BeExcellent]

That sounds like an introvert to me. I am somewhat of an introvert myself and why the sigma male stereotype fits me best. The lone wolf avatar represents my sigma male status.

Yup. My husband is a definite sigma male lone wolf type. It has its upsides.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

Great question. I would never open a substantially older woman on her shoes and start a conversation. Complimenting a woman on her shoes is a played out, beta move.

If I happened to be sitting next to a younger, attractive woman (cute to hot range), I still would open a woman on something other than shoes.

On most flights, I don't happen to be seated next to an attractive, age appropriate woman. That's why I am either trying to sleep or I'm reading a book.

Among US based carriers, Southwest Airlines allows a person to select their own seat once on board as compared to every other US based carrier. A smart man can find a hot younger woman traveling alone and sit next to her. Maybe she'll give off open to conversation vibes, maybe not. If not, the play becomes to mind your own business. She will let you know very quickly.

I am open to talking to people in general on planes if they have a good demeanor. This could be a male or female. It is rare to get seated next to an attractive female similar aged or younger on a plane, even on Southwest Airlines.

I found a good thread on this forum from 2010 about picking up women on flights. It mentions Southwest Airlines and the open seating. I've followed that plan when flying Southwest over the years when I've been seeking new women.

Picking up Women on Airplanes

Hey guys, The hardest part of picking up women on airplanes is getting a seat next to the woman you want. Sure, you can get lucky and your boarding pass can just happen to put you there. Just like you can know nothing about Love Systems and get lucky at a bar. But, the whole point of Love...

www.sosuave.net

No, you just simply lack the conversational skills to make it work. Let's call it what it is.

It's rarely the message, it's almost always the way it's delivered.

The transition from the opening statement/comment is far more important than whatever you say starting out.

Most guys have no idea how to transition smoothly and end up leaving quickly...usually too quickly.

 

[SW15]

No, you just simply lack the conversational skills to make it work. Let's call it what it is.

Why was this directed at me? What you quoted of me had nothing to do with my conversation skills.

Most guys have no idea how to transition smoothly and end up leaving quickly...usually too quickly.

This is somewhat true. Most conversations go nowhere on account of 2 things.

1. Man has mediocre to subpar conversational skills
2. Woman is not in the market for new penis

Factor 2 is far more influential than Factor 1.

Approaching strangers is difficult. Most women at any given time aren't in the market for new penis. This affects non-bar approaching more than bars. If women are showing up to bars, it is more likely they are seeking new penis. Women in relationships not seeking new penis are less likely to be present at bars. Bar game has its own set of challenges too but at least women in market there. At a grocery store, mall, fitness class, on a walking path, etc., there's no way to know if the woman is actually in market.

Factor 1 might indicated that men are leaving pussie opportunities on the table by leaving conversations too quickly. That happens but I don't think it is happening as much as men are getting into conversations with unqualified prospects.

We also have an example in this thread of a 34 year old man complimenting a 55 year old woman's shoes. When you initially quoted me, I was providing some reaction to that. For the 34 year old man, that's an unqualified prospect. He was stuck in an airplane though. He might not have been looking to get some pussie out of the interaction.

 

[justaroundthecorner]

I think it changed when online dating became a thing. Why would they have sex with the "maybe" guy when they can get pounded out by exactly her type. The maybe guy becomes a thing if they become older and hit the wall.

I remember when you could game a girl back in the day. She used to say " hes not the cute but he is funny..so I will give him a chance". Well back then she only had like 5 suitors. Now she can keep you as her dancing monkey and get her sexual needs fulfilled by the guy that really turns her on. So game is obsolete ( beyond the basics).

Spot on. It is also the reason why most of the old dating advice related to game became obsolete to significant extent (female can just launch dating app and start convo with the guy she likes the most basing on the photos that are usually a SMV commercial - that's why dating apps made all the incel-SMV-superficiality of females comments true to significant extent, while destroyed (and would destroy) near-2000-year dating gurus field game as most of them had SMV-deficiencies from the start therefore went into "donjuan" mode to cover them and bypass SMV block (all the development they talked was pretty much superficial anyway).

 

[Pandora]

Spot on. It is also the reason why most of the old dating advice related to game became obsolete to significant extent (female can just launch dating app and start convo with the guy she likes the most basing on the photos that are usually a SMV commercial - that's why dating apps made all the incel-SMV-superficiality of females comments true to significant extent, while destroyed (and would destroy) near-2000-year dating gurus field game as most of them had SMV-deficiencies from the start therefore went into "donjuan" mode to cover them and bypass SMV block (all the development they talked was pretty much superficial anyway).

This is exactly right. PUA and dating advice is almost obsolete. This is what many of us on this forum dont want to admit.

I love this place. This place has kept me sane at times. Been here since 2008 but times change.

Field reports and PUA advice is done. First of all its almost illegal to hit on women now. Secondly she already has the guy she wants in her phone. Thirdly the end game is divorce anyway.

You cant game your way into her pants because she has 20 guys in her phone ahead of you.

Its either zero or 100 from the very start. This aint 2005. She aint giving you a "chance" unless she is a single mom.

You already know my solution to this. "American Airlines is now boarding to Uzbekistan "

 

[SW15]

Secondly she already has the guy she wants in her phone.

You cant game your way into her pants because she has 20 guys in her phone ahead of you.

This is something that I've wondered about over time.

I'm sure I've approached many women in real life who were swipe app users.

I've wondered if they've even seriously entertained my approach because they have thousands of men in their swipe queues on their phone.

It's possible some women don't have the capability to deal with real life approaches when they have superior volume of men in their phones.

I think a good in-person approach will help a man stand out from the thousands of digital penis options she has.

PUA and dating advice is almost obsolete. This is what many of us on this forum dont want to admit.

Field reports and PUA advice is done. First of all its almost illegal to hit on women now.

I have noticed that women seem less receptive to in-person approaching than they used to be.

Some of this depends on the segment of women that a man chases.

Bougie, White women in large USA cities are less open to approaches because those are the ones with filled swipe queues and inboxes on her smartphone.

Been here since 2008 but times change.

Its either zero or 100 from the very start. This aint 2005. She aint giving you a "chance" unless she is a single mom.

I've seen the seduction environment evolve in my 25+ years in the mating environment.

Looks matter more than ever.

Even in the heyday of Mystery and Strauss, looks were still #1.

Personality did matter more in the era of Strauss and Mystery at nightlife venues. Online dating was still in its infancy/early childhood then. It also didn't get fully de-stigmatized until the mid-2000s, right around when Strauss released "The Game" in 2005.

I also don't think a lot of women are as motivated to go to nightlife venues anymore. Swipe apps have been a reality for 13 years. There was a global pandemic that shut down nightlife venues for around 2 years.

 

[BadBoy89]

As you get older, you learn when to manufacture game out out of thin air

Nice.

 

[The_Sea_Wolf]

This is why it is important to build a life for yourself you want to live, have genuinely good things going for yourself and to have a solid group of friends and activities you enjoy.

I have been living on a boat sailing around having the time of my life the last 8 years, it just pulls women into my orbit, all I have to do is be there, but there was a lot of work that went into fixing myself after surviving a terrible childhood before that.

Being able to pull a woman into your world and have it be a comfortable fun environment just makes living life on easy mode.

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

Nice.

I guess I should follow up on this lol

When I was in my 20s, I had a lot of spunk, but I didn't have enough experience. I could cold-approach pretty decent and pull chicks, but situations inside of a relationship were difficult. I avoided relationships for a long time, because i couldn't handle intimacy.

Guess what. I still can't handle emotions. But i know how to deal with them now. That's all game is.

There's a personna you can only develop after enough time. And it's mostly under the surface. Most of it never sees the light of day

- accept women's true nature (not trustworthy)
- always be willing to walk (most important)
- realize that you aren't perfect
- do your best to improve your weaknesses, but don't let her assume the frame over it

You do these things, you'll learn easier than i did

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

This is exactly right. PUA and dating advice is almost obsolete. This is what many of us on this forum dont want to admit.

I love this place. This place has kept me sane at times. Been here since 2008 but times change.

Field reports and PUA advice is done. First of all its almost illegal to hit on women now. Secondly she already has the guy she wants in her phone. Thirdly the end game is divorce anyway.

You cant game your way into her pants because she has 20 guys in her phone ahead of you.

Its either zero or 100 from the very start. This aint 2005. She aint giving you a "chance" unless she is a single mom.

You already know my solution to this. "American Airlines is now boarding to Uzbekistan "

PUA was never really a thing. There was only ever a small percentage of men doing it.

I was always an advocate of cold-approach on sosuave, as were many others, but it was never accepted even here.

I used to assume it was because sosuave attracted introverts that refused to venture out, but no, it was universal. Everyone is scared of rejection lol

The core of PUA is still sound and will always work, because it's based on women's nature.

A woman has 20 guys in her phone, no doubt. Women have always had more options. And yes it's been exasperated by OLD.

But this only makes the cold-approach MORE valuable

Seeing as there weren't many men with charisma when PUA was in its hayday, i would say you're competing with 1% of the male population.

Charisma is everything, and it's something you can develop! It just takes practice.

The dating market has changed, but women haven't. They still read books about being swept off their feet. They still want what they always have.

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

Introverts on sosuave are probably thinking

yeah, but only handsome guys will be successful. I've read studies that show that the top 10% of men get all the women

So? Should you give up because you aren't the best at something? Did you give up WOW because you weren't in the top 10%?

If you can confidently speak to women, in person, you will raise your value by 50%.

Will they all sleep with you?

No.

But you're odds of success are 50% better.

Everyone knows a guy that's with a woman way out of his league lol. Why do you think that is?

Not directed at you, @Pandora , i'm just popping off

 

[Vending Machine Veteran]

First of all its almost illegal to hit on women now. Secondly she already has the guy she wants in her phone. Thirdly the end game is divorce anyway.

Why do you think women in Western countries are going insane all of a sudden?

Why do you think our ancestors kept women on a tight leash?

It's always been this way, bro.

The true man wants two things: danger and play. For that reason he wants woman, as the most dangerous plaything.