She WILL cheat on you...but its okay

[Blacksheep]

Its already normal dude. Thats my point. The culture has already normalized it fool.

A lot of evil things are normalized in this world. But we can always have a choice and we have to live with that since it's done.

It's easy when we are not the ones being hurt by someone.

And it's hard to recognize that some of our behaviors hurt other people, it digs a deep wound into our ego and our ego hates that. So we create delusions to justify what we know wasn't right rather than accepting the mistake and trying to cultivate better values/behaviors.

 

[Murk]

They cheat , if they're hot enough to cheat.
trying to get them not to is controlling, I guess.
You can always have a family with a girl a few points down , but then you'll want to cheat as you might not be sexually fulfilled. Either way is a dead end , once you have had enough sex and pretty much fvcked your dream woman or what you idealized as her you realize that these are both dead end roads, and sex is nothing.
It won't make you happy.
Only having developed true confidence in yourself will make you happy

The bad boy antics worked , they worked for me.
But despite banging the hottest chick I ever banged , it wasn't fulfilling me or making me truly happy.
I didn't like the way the transaction felt and it drained my confidence , energy and self-esteem in the long run.

So what did you end up doing?

 

[Pandora]

A lot of evil things are normalized in this world. But we can always have a choice and we have to live with that since it's done.

It's easy when we are not the ones being hurt by someone.

And it's hard to recognize that some of our behaviors hurt other people, it digs a deep wound into our ego and our ego hates that. So we create delusions to justify what we know wasn't right rather than accepting the mistake and trying to cultivate better values/behaviors.

I agree. I never ever said it was right. I don't promote it. I am saying that as a man you need to come up with a strategy to cope with the reality that this behavior is prevalent. In my original post I gave 2 strategies that a man can employ.

We cant put our head in the sand and keep acting like this isnt prevalent. I gave ways to cope with it that my friends use.

 

[Pandora]

Indeed, but modern consumer society heavily relies on people believing in a happy ever after storyline

You cannot "claim ownership" on another person via a social construct you can have mutual respect yes but this is EXTREMELY difficult to establish and maintain

If some of my freinds relationships ended because of cheating i'm fairly convinced a few would be suicidal

( they have bought that deeply into the belief system )

having been though something with an ex a few years ago and i did indeed lose myself for several months afterwards , i started to think it was an extremely dangerous belief system to get tied up in

One i have avoided since

Any woman i am involved with now i firmly place the onus on them from the get go

I.E if you want to be with someone else that's fine just keep me in the loop

Generally if you tell someone "do whatever you want" it tends to have the reverse effect

Exactly! This is what I was trying to explain. I was not as eloquent. This is the point of the original post. We cant own them via a social construct. It will never work. Its probably best to have a " live and let live attitude". These friends that are in the " live and let live group" seem to be more successful. They dont go looking for trouble unless its totally obvious. They are also cultivating options on their side just in case.

But when you say " do whatever you want but if i find out its over" guys call you a cuck etc. Its actually very alpha to have this stance.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I have two types of male friends. One group deals with female infedelity by not caring too much. The other group enforces strict boundaries in an attempt to prevent female infidelity.

Group 1:

They have a live and let live attitude. They are resigned to the fact that all girls have an inner hoe. As long as they dont see it then they are cool. These men are also either cheating or on the verge of cheating themselves. Their gfs are often in a state of competition anxiety with other women.

Group 2:

These guys attempt to enforce rules and regulations on their females. We calling it putting the metaphorical " foot on her neck". They make her delete her social media. They also mate guard heavily.

Like most things in life I believe balance is key. One of the reason I advocate mild cheating is that it maintains leverage. I gravitate toward philosophy 1 because restricting women will never work.

Your woman will cheat on you in some way, shape or fashion. Women are NOT monogamous. As a man your only leverage is indifference and to be doing the same thing.

Of course in a marriage with kids it gets more complicated but the same general rules apply.

The problem with this line of thinking is that “Group 1” creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. It’s like saying that people will commit crimes anyway, so let’s get rid of laws that prohibit murder and theft.

Women cheating on men used to be the exception rather than the rule. Yes, it happened. I’m sure some of you have a milkman or a mailman somewhere in your ancestry tree. But it was relatively rare. If you took ten average women, maybe one or two of them would be cheaters and the rest would not. Nowadays, the proportion is likely much higher. And “Group 1” mentality has a lot to do with it.

 

[Pandora]

The problem with this line of thinking is that “Group 1” creates a self-fulfilling prophecy. It’s like saying that people will commit crimes anyway, so let’s get rid of laws that prohibit murder and theft.

Women cheating on men used to be the exception rather than the rule. Yes, it happened. I’m sure some of you have a milkman or a mailman somewhere in your ancestry tree. But it was relatively rare. If you took ten average women, maybe one or two of them would be cheaters and the rest would not. Nowadays, the proportion is likely much higher. And “Group 1” mentality has a lot to do with it.

I hear ya man. But whats the alternative to group 1 thinking? There is no good alternative if the culture itself does not back you up. The culture does not back you up, the government does not back you up, the girls own parents dont even back you up. So enforcing strict boundaries on modern American women is almost futile ( if they are hot). It works until it does not.

We opened the Pandoras Box of female sexual liberation ( hence my screen name). There is no going back. If you enforce rules you are abusive and controlling and insecure. The guys that do the best with women just accept it and behave accordingly.

 

[Pandora]

No it’s not. You think that women cheat for sex - as in, women love gettin d1cked down, with minimal screening. The classic Traphouse Ho from the Philly slums, bent over, while a conga line of men doggies her continuously, in between drive-bys and sirens.

Women actually cheat in a pretty calculated way - usually to level-up with a better man, or simply because she’s lost interest in the current man and thinks she can do better (same thing). It’s an emotional decision, of which sex is only a tiny part (sex is emotional for women).

You’ll predictably say “but…but.. I know a woman who takes all the c0ckas bro! You’re a virgin.”

And I’ll have to say “Traphouse Ho’s don’t count as women to me, bro”

The sexual experience for women is actually down to the man’s overall value, sparking her emotions, and allowing her to submit to sex (sex isn’t proactive for women, that’s what trips you out. You can’t imagine what it’s like being a woman with a hole).

You’ve also likely been influenced by Traphouse Hos who aggressively pursue men for sex (in exchange for drugs). That’s not normal female behaviour, dude.

Your fantasy of the Poly Village where women are shared sexually by everyone is always lurking below the surface of your posts. It’s because your understanding of the female mind is extremely rudimentary.

Newsflash you silly nerd. Suburban girls are the sluttiest of all the girls. Its not a race thing. Its just that the suburban girls have totally been indoctrinated with this progressive " my body my choice" sex positive culture. You keep saying only traphouse ( aka black women) cheat. If you actually had real world experience you would know that black chicks are actually very difficult to sleep with unless you are a specific type. Your game has to be air tight to get a hot black girl. They are very mean if your game is not tight. But again you dont actually talk to women so this is new to you.

Now black women do choose the worst males to procreate with, but as far as actual body count they are below the average suburban girl. Suking dyck is actually not that common with black girls unless you are their man. Suburban girls dont even count suking **** as sex many times. Again, I have real world experience and you are a fat nerd that just reads seduction books.

Again, college girls are the ones getting trains ran on them the most idiot. You did not go to college so you would not know. Its ok.

 

[Bokanovsky]

I hear ya man. But whats the alternative to group 1 thinking? There is no good alternative if the culture itself does not back you up. The culture does not back you up, the government does not back you up, the girls own parents dont even back you up. So enforcing strict boundaries on modern American women is almost futile ( if they are hot). It works until it does not.

We opened the Pandoras Box of female sexual liberation ( hence my screen name). There is no going back. If you enforce rules you are abusive and controlling and insecure. The guys that do the best with women just accept it and behave accordingly.

I don’t think it’s quite that extreme. Cheating is still not considered socially acceptable even if it is more common. I don’t think it’s healthy to approach every relationship thinking that she’s going to cheat anyway. But you MUST be willing to walk away immediately if you find out that you can’t trust her.

You have no control over what she does. But you control your own actions.

 

[Pandora]

I don’t think it’s quite that extreme. Cheating is still not considered socially acceptable even if it is more common. I don’t think it’s healthy to approach every relationship thinking that she’s going to cheat anyway. But you MUST be willing to walk away immediately if you find out that you can’t trust her.

You have no control over what she does. But you control your own actions.

With the hot GenZ and millenial girls it is pretty extreme. Ask them to see their phone if you dont believe. They will rather die than to give you the phone. But yeh i agree with you bro. All im saying is that its more common then men want to admit. Its because we are the true romantics. Not women.

 

[Pandora]

We’ve been through this. Some Women get trains run through them, hate it, and either never do it again or become head cases (your favourite Traphouse Hos).

Casual sex ruins women mentally, bro. Even women know that.

Do women enjoy sex? Yes, with one man that she’s chosen. I’ve experimented with this many times. Women really struggle to like 2 guys simultaneously. It’s the way their minds work - they choose and switch. Every dude who deals with women regularly knows this.

You’re barely a tadpole in your conceptual understanding of humans, let alone women.

You are arguing straw men again.
1.) Im not saying they enjoy having the train. I am saying that they do promiscous acts even if its just once.

2.) Women dont hold sex as dearly as virgins like you hope to believe. If they did view sex this precious they would not have one night stands and hoe phases as much as they do.

3.) They cheat more than we would ever know. Ask your girlfriend ( if you ever get one) to see her phone. She will refuse.

 

[Pandora]

You guys are saying the GenZ, hoe phase, tik tok, hot girl summer, Only Fans generation does not cheat that much. Wow........men are truly the naive romantic sex.

 

[RickTheToad]

I have two types of male friends. One group deals with female infedelity by not caring too much. The other group enforces strict boundaries in an attempt to prevent female infidelity.

Group 1:

They have a live and let live attitude. They are resigned to the fact that all girls have an inner hoe. As long as they dont see it then they are cool. These men are also either cheating or on the verge of cheating themselves. Their gfs are often in a state of competition anxiety with other women.

Group 2:

These guys attempt to enforce rules and regulations on their females. We calling it putting the metaphorical " foot on her neck". They make her delete her social media. They also mate guard heavily.

Like most things in life I believe balance is key. One of the reason I advocate mild cheating is that it maintains leverage. I gravitate toward philosophy 1 because restricting women will never work.

Your woman will cheat on you in some way, shape or fashion. Women are NOT monogamous. As a man your only leverage is indifference and to be doing the same thing.

Of course in a marriage with kids it gets more complicated but the same general rules apply.

I think you're a bit too doom and gloom. No b!tch is going to cheat unless they don't care about you or they will think you'd put up with that type of behavior. In either sense, you should just get a better picker.

 

[Pandora]

I think you're a bit too doom and gloom. No b!tch is going to cheat unless they don't care about you or they will think you'd put up with that type of behavior. In either sense, you should just get a better picker.

Ok lets say you are bro. You may be right. But what do you make of the 53% infidelity self reporting of women?

Would you ever consider that us men are in denial on some level? Or do you totally reject this possibilty.

 

[RickTheToad]

Ok lets say you are bro. You may be right. But what do you make of the 53% infidelity self reporting of women?

Would you ever consider that us men are in denial on some level? Or do you totally reject this possibilty.

53%... That's a bit high. Most females would not take a chance if they have something that is good and secure. However, the failure rate of relationships and cheating is significantly higher with black females than any other race. If you are dating black females, then I can see why you would be having the issue.

"Black Americans cheat more than other races, with 22% of married Black Americans admitting they’ve cheated compared to 16% of Whites overall and 13% of Hispanics. In terms of gender and race, married Black men had a cheating rate of 28%, compared to 20% of married White men and 16%"

Source: https://hackspirit.com/infidelity-statistics/

 

[Travel memoir21]

lol this is one of the more entertaining and informative threads I’ve read in here in a long, long time.

 

[Pandora]

53%... That's a bit high. Most females would not take a chance if they have something that is good and secure. However, the failure rate of relationships and cheating is significantly higher with black females than any other race. If you are dating black females, then I can see why you would be having the issue.

"Black Americans cheat more than other races, with 22% of married Black Americans admitting they’ve cheated compared to 16% of Whites overall and 13% of Hispanics. In terms of gender and race, married Black men had a cheating rate of 28%, compared to 20% of married White men and 16%"

Source: https://hackspirit.com/infidelity-statistics/

Yes black men do cheat a lot. Our culture as black men is one that uses women to validate our manhood. Look at how hypersexual hip hop is. We also come from polyamorous African tribal roots.

Dude im telling you white females are the worst. I hate to make it a race thing. Im not sure how old you are but have you dated a young millenial or Genz white girl recently?

Look at most of the girls in porn what color are they? You guys want to deflect by saying " its mostly the minority girls that cheat". Bro honestly a black girl is so mean that she is less a cheating risk than a liberal white chick in a big city.

But again ask your girl to show you her phone. This debate can be easily ended via that.

You will find her talking to her ex or some other guy. Im not saying she will neccessarily be banging him though. But it will make you angry what you find.

 

[Pandora]

If you are dating black females, then I can see why you would be having the issue.

I have never explicitly been cheated on. I dont usually stay in relationships past 1 yr. I did have a BPD chick make arrangements to cheat on me that ultimately failed.

Even though I have never been cheated on explicitly that does not mean that I am naive. I know some shady stuff went on behind my back with atleast one of the dozen or so gfs ive had.

To think that no girl ever cheated on you behind your back is the height of hubris and delusion.

Men are like dogs...we shyt anywhere
Women are like cats....they cover their shyt up very well. You never catch a cat shyting

Btw have you seen how high the false paternity rate is among ALL races? It would be even higher if every man tested. I rest my case.

 

[Pandora]

Lets define cheating:

1.) Sexual contact with another man

2.) Flirting with other men via text

3.) Having a " work husband"

4.) Cultivating a back up man in case she has to monkey branch. ALL women do this

5.) Onlyfans or social media where she markets herself sexually

6.) Still being on dating sites

7.) Still talking to exes

If your gf does not do atleast one of these things she is either ugly or old. Or both. Every young hot chick does atleast one of these things. Hence why I say they all cheat.

# MHPGA# Make Her Phone Great Again

 

[Zimbabwe]

I've been on enough bachelor parties to know that women will cheat if given the chance away from their spouses. Then they have the ability to erase this from memory because it was a "Girls trip".

Offer someone a billion dollars to murder their best friend and they will do it, that doesn't mean all people are murderers.

 

[Bethatsocialguy]

I have two types of male friends. One group deals with female infedelity by not caring too much. The other group enforces strict boundaries in an attempt to prevent female infidelity.

Group 1:

They have a live and let live attitude. They are resigned to the fact that all girls have an inner hoe. As long as they dont see it then they are cool. These men are also either cheating or on the verge of cheating themselves. Their gfs are often in a state of competition anxiety with other women.

Group 2:

These guys attempt to enforce rules and regulations on their females. We calling it putting the metaphorical " foot on her neck". They make her delete her social media. They also mate guard heavily.

Like most things in life I believe balance is key. One of the reason I advocate mild cheating is that it maintains leverage. I gravitate toward philosophy 1 because restricting women will never work.

Your woman will cheat on you in some way, shape or fashion. Women are NOT monogamous. As a man your only leverage is indifference and to be doing the same thing.

Of course in a marriage with kids it gets more complicated but the same general rules apply.

Women are monogamous to a guy she loves and respects. She is not going to look for other options unless she thinks your're not the best she can get. If you show unattractive traits, she is more likely to look for others.