Red Pill Role's - Do Not Overdose

[TheException]

Couple interesting threads recently have surfaced on the term "red pill". Before I get into the post I will link the two threads below so that members can go there first, get the scoop, and understand the quotes that I will be pulling from these two threads:

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=211736&page=2

http://www.sosuave.net/forum/showthread.php?t=211759

First and foremost, what is the red pill? Taking the red pill is unlearning what society has presented as things that women find attractive....and learning how women ACTUALLY ARE and what ACTUALLY ATTRACTS THEM. Nothing more, nothing less.

Women are humans just like us....but operate on a different system. They're emotional whereas us men are logical. Understanding this concept and being able to see women for what they are WITHOUT placing terms such as "manipulative", "evil", "selfish" on them is paramount to your success as a man, not just in the art of "game". Women are very predictable and answer to a higher authority called "hypergamy". Look look it up if you are unfamiliar. Everything a woman does is explainable.....they are no mystery.

Now....onto some quotes shall we. Its time for others to serve as good examples and for others....well......you are simply foils.

While I find myself ****ing the girls and spending romantic times with them, everything is tainted by bitterness. The thousand voices of men on sosuave is a constant reminder.

The better the girl treats me, I worse this bitterness becomes.

My 23rd birthday, my "gf" bought a cake and sang happy bday for me.

First times anyone has ever done that for me in my life. First time anyone has given me a present on my birthday. Usually all I get is a text from my mother. My best buddies are nowhere to be seen, those guys could care less.

This is one of the OP from the threads above. After taking a dose of the "red pill" he recognizes its bitterness. Where he once saw beautiful women who could do no wrong....he now only sees s1uts. He has not fully accepted reality for what it is. b305d has yet to learn the difference between low quality women and high quality women. Once you start getting laid on a consistent basis, although looks are the major role in finding someone attractive.....you start to separate them based on personality. A "good girl" > a b1tch. Even though both may be hot....and I would have sex with both....does not mean I would get into a LTR with the b1tch. Once you are able to separate low quality from high quality....you will grow.

First off, there's no such thing as a red pill, really. It's just life. Life is going on.

There is great truth in what zekko says. Once you become aware....thats it. Once you fully internalize the way women actually are....thats it. Everything is explainable and nothing is a mystery. That is how you will see life from there on out.

1. "Bitterness" is a gynoculture word, a shaming term, a semantic nullity. It has no place in any kind of precise language that attempts to describe emotions. You won't hear any scientists, scholars or legitimate thinkers using it, so where did it come from?

"Angry," "annoyed," "frustrated," "unhappy," etc., many better words. So perhaps the first step is to choose a noncompromised vocabulary to describe feelings more precisely and realize there are vocabulary traps set all around us by "blue pill" gynoculture. We haven't really taken the red pill until we have flushed out ALL of the blue conditioning, and that's much more difficult and time-consuming than the "pill taking" analogy suggests.

Almost all of the time I've heard "bitter" being applied has been by a woman to a man or by an effeminate or gay man towards whomever. My male friends and I don't use it... certainly never heard my dad, grandfathers or uncles say it. It is a feminine word and operates as a simple shaming tool. If someone is just angry, they may not be at fault, after all, many situations in life deserve an angry response. If they are 'bitter' though, there is a presumption that their feelings are misplaced and that they share blame for having them. Don't play.

"Bitter" is a taste sensation, people who use it as a "feeling" term generally have manipulative, feminine intent IME. Move past gynoculture language, be it the word "bitter" or otherwise to move past -their- frame towards -your- frame.

Overdose case # 1

Here is a guy who spends 3 paragraphs on why the word "bitter" should be erased from the dictionary. "Bitter" is a word made up by society and if you use that word you are still blue pill according to dasein. Too much mental masturbating about stupid things. "Bitter" is a synonym for "resentment" pal and congratulations on being "too macho" to use the word. Nobody cares. There are more important things going on here than to nit-pick at select vocabulary.

And notice how he uses the word "shaming". I was once a very strong user of this word, but lately people are destroying it and the purpose it was meant to serve. It originally was to be used AGAINST WOMEN...who would attempt to make a man feel bad about his sexual nature and being. NOW...."red pill extremists" use it against other men because they cant take criticism for their illogical views. One ounce of criticism and they rationalize that the criticism is an attempt to shame them.....pathetic.

The red pill is both bitter and liberating at the same time.

From being on this site I've realized a lot of red pill "men" are not truly red pill. Many of them still believe in marriage and soul mates.

Overdose case # 2

Not surprised, but nonetheless a good foil.

Notice how marriage = the soul mate myth in his book. His viewpoint is his own and he is more than welcome to prefer polygamy over monogamy. But his extreme viewpoint....gives him no leg to stand on when it comes to monogamy, relationships, and marriage/raising a family. He believes there is no way to remain an "alpha male" when you only commit yourself to one woman. He fails to understand the "family unit" and the proper enviroment(and most successful) way to raise kids. For society's sake I hope he doesnt have kids while living the polygamous lifestyle....because they would more than likely grow up to be a burden on society and failures in life. Marriage/Monogamy is ideal for raising a family and ensuring the future success of your kids. You leave them with a better life than how you were brought up. You try to be financially successful so that they DONT HAVE TO STRUGGLE working 3 jobs like we do. So that they DONT HAVE thousands of debt for student loans. Oh and guess what....you dont have to be a sniveling beta to do so.

Polygamous lifestyle is absolutely fine and acceptable if you dont want to have kids. Monogamy is acceptable if you do and it doesnt mean you are automatically going to turn into some b1tch boy.

Similar to working on Game and dating, the red pill should be consumed in moderation. Too much exposure and you'll be heavily burdened which can damage your mental well-being. It's necessary to take a step back, and clear your mind for a bit. Revisit with love ones, close friends and mentally rejuvenate yourself via outdoors or even meditation. Be happy and stay positive.

Well said. This is monumental in avoiding an overdose. Dont make sosuave your life. Come to be unplugged then go out and live. Stay if helping others is your main priority. But if you want to be a radical and express your hatred for women and feminism and create theories backed by NOTHING...you are only hurting yourself.

Red pill is disconnecting from what society has taught you about what works with attracting and keeping women. The difference between what women think they want, what men are lead to believe they want, and what they actually respond to. Something that 99% of men don't understand. Some get it right naturally, some fail miserably, and some fall in the middle but they don't grasp the concepts behind their successes and failures. Red pill is understanding why successes and failures occur and getting why women act the way they do.

Again....very well said and notice the simplicity. Once you understand how women function with their hypergamy...thats it. Really.....its that simple.

Its imperative you learn about hypergamy, how women are prisoners to emotion, prize mentality, and a few other concepts. But the majority of you guys are probably coming back to this forum several times a day looking "to learn something new". There is no new. There are too many who come here under the guise of "helping" that instead wish to spew negativity and want to "gain followers to the cause". Their either delusional or not educated. This is not rocket science, so dont make it rocket science.

Remember.....Positive Maculinity > Negative Masculinity > Zero Masculinity. And go out and live life. Alpha males do not stay cooped up in the house wondering what magical post they can make on sosuave today to gain little green bars....

 

[Bokanovsky]

And go out and live life. Alpha males do not stay cooped up in the house wondering what magical post they can make on sosuave today to gain little green bars....

You don't see the irony in this statement? You preach against staying "cooped up" in the house and making long elaborate posts on Sosusave...in a long elaborate post on Sosuave (complete with quotes from multiple threads, detailed "analysis" and "exhibits") that you presumably made while cooped up in your house. Go out and live your life

 

[Epimanes]

Basicly. Everything in moderation. Good post OP.

 

[PlayHer Man]

Listen dude.. you first need to understand that your belief that women are incapable of being "manipulative", "evil", and "selfish" is retarded. You said in another thread you believe this. You are wrong. They are fully capable of these things. Does this mean they are all out to destroy men? Of course not. It just means they are not these innocent blameless children many men like to view them as.

Secondly.. you have to understand that 2014 is not 1950. You have to understand that the family unit doesn't fail because men avoid commitment. Rather it fails because modern women are not worthy of commitment. They treat a loyal man like trash. Why? --> Because loyal beta fags have become too common.

Your idea that men should play cannon fodder for the "good of society" only gives women more license to act up and duck responsibility. Why bother being good when men will always step in to clean up your mess and even lay on their own sword if that's what it takes? :crackup:

I see where you are coming from but you truly "don't get it" on a deep level. You see me as "extreme" but I'm simply showing men what works to THEIR BENEFIT in 2014.

In 2014 the decision every man must make (in the context of relationships) is: Do I do the world a favor or myself a favor? You can't do both these days.. as loyal beta men are no longer respected. They are used and exploited by women, alphas, children, the Government and society. All members of society should share the burden of keeping the world going.. NOT just men. Until that happens men need to step back a little to remind society just how essential we are. Only then will the respect return.

 

[IndeedSir]

No where did he state women aren't capable of being manipulative, evil and selfish. Everyone is capable of all those things. There's also nothing wrong with wanting a family. Personally, I couldn't bring a child into this world, but if you will find happiness in doing so then more power to you. It's ultimately about what you want. There really is a lot of extremism on this site, which again is fine. It's important to know women aren't angels but they're certainly not the polar opposite either. There is no binary truth. There is no single line of fact to be found anywhere because nothing is binary. There is plenty of information which is generally true, and that's where the gold can be mined. Getting too heavily invested in a concept on the other hand is counter-productive because ultimately it will have exceptions and you will miss opportunities if you follow them like they are concrete rules.

OP brings up some great points. Most importantly that you have to think critically. Don't get heavily invested in binary thinking because it will only limit you.

 

[PlayHer Man]

No where did he state women aren't capable of being manipulative, evil and selfish. Everyone is capable of all those things.

I said in my post that he stated this in ANOTHER THREAD.

Please READ before posting. Please and thank you.

 

[IndeedSir]

I said in my post that he stated this in ANOTHER THREAD.

Please READ before posting. Please and thank you.

Fair enough, I did miss this. My apologies. That is not a good frame of mind to have.

 

[Atom Smasher]

OP, there exists one underlying assumption that skews your analysis.

That is the assumption that women of today are the same as women of 40 or 50 years ago. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I lived it... I know.

40 years ago women had a far greater capacity for rational thought, nurturing, propriety, and dare I say even loyalty. The media has opened the floodgates in them and these admirable qualities have poured out of them en masse, leaving easily 97% of women almost completely bereft of the qualities we men admire.

The scale of this female character dissipation is so awesome in scope that it is virtually impossible for anyone under about 45 years old to fully comprehend. To these men, women have "always been this way" because that is the only world these men have ever known.

There are fortunately a handful of younger men on this board who do in fact understand this dynamic, who are able to transcend their current era of time and discern whether or not things were radically different in a different era.

Of course, women have always possessed a natural proclivity toward the character traits that cause us so much grief, but back then these traits were balanced and held in check by societal standards. The complete removal of these standards by the media's relentless brainwashing, combined with the weakness of men and weak politicians who covet women's votes, have removed all these balancing forces thereby yielding the impossible situation we face today.

I'm also beginning to realize that part of the problem is that the world has become too big for every individual. Back in the day, women had a small circle within which to operate, and there was no online dating. When she wanted to relate to someone, she either waited till she saw them in-person or picked up the phone. Her world was smaller, manageable, and there were repercussions for sh!tty behavior.

Now they have a literally inexhaustible supply of options and betas who they keep sniffing around and telling them what a princess they are. This has served to further erode their collective character.

We live in an insane (I mean literally an insane) society, and we are forced to deal with these harsh realities. What some might consider b!tching and moaning about women is often actually one man seeking to educate his brothers about these realities, thereby hopefully sparing him untold grief.

When I was a kid, feminism was just starting to take shape. The radical feminists were still mostly seen as a fringe element. Now it has become mainstream, and we have been largely desensitized to it because of its gradual decaying influence of womankind.

I used to say that dealing with women is like dealing with children. I have come to understand that they are so internally disintegrated that they are far worse than dealing with children. Children have an innate understanding that they need guidance. Women also had that innate understanding, but it has been covered over and buried by the cement of the media pouring in day by day. It is so far buried that it is difficult for them to access it anymore, although it can still be accessed by the influence of strong male (read "red pill" male).

It's easy to dismiss observation and articulation of reality as "bitterness". Labels are easy. PlayHerMan is correct in saying that modern women are not worth commitment. Fortunate is the man who finds one of the 3% who exhibit a tolerable degree of character.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Agree 100% with Atom Smasher. Very well put.

 

[TheException]

Listen dude.. you first need to understand that your belief that women are incapable of being "manipulative", "evil", and "selfish" is retarded. You said in another thread you believe this.

Feel free to go back into that thread and quote me on it pal. Context is everything. I stated that the "day to day" things women do such as sh1t tests, withholding sex, LMR, b1tch shields, etc are NOT manipulative. You disagreed. You believe women seek "power". You take that simple point to the extreme to say "Look ah ha....The exception thinks women are NEVER manipulative". Do I think women have the capability to be manipulative? Sure, everybody does. Im sure women have gotten pregnant on "accident" to get a nice rich guy. Thats not what Im talking about. Chump guys come here to sosuave and complain about the "day to day" sh1t and complain about it. You brush their face and tell them "its ok, women are just trying to manipulate you and make you a slave. Do what I do and never get close to one."

Secondly.. you have to understand that 2014 is not 1950. You have to understand that the family unit doesn't fail because men avoid commitment. Rather it fails because modern women are not worthy of commitment.They treat a loyal man like trash. Why? --> Because loyal beta fags have become too common.

False. Marriage fails because men turn into vag1nas and their wives no longer find them attractive. You think women really give a sh1t about your loyalty? No they care about if you turn them on or not. The "loyal beta fags" bit....is SPOT ON AND THE REAL REASON for the failure of marriages.

For instance....being a beta male = an obese woman. Those are the two things that repulse the respective gender. Today's marriage situation is equated to if the mass majority of women WERE OBESE....do you think us men wouldnt treat them different than we would have if they were hott? Let that sink in...

In 2014 the decision every man must make (in the context of relationships) is: Do I do the world a favor or myself a favor? You can't do both these days.. as loyal beta men are no longer respected. They are used and exploited by women, alphas, children, the Government and society. All members of society should share the burden of keeping the world going.. NOT just men. Until that happens men need to step back a little to remind society just how essential we are. Only then will the respect return.

"Loyal beta fag men" never WERE respected. The number of them....have simply increased. I am in a relationship with a woman currently....and guess what? No one is taking advantage of me. I am red pill and am fully aware of society "forcing me" into the beta fag role....problem is....I wont go. Its up to us, as men to change the society. Im sure you are aware of Rollo Tomassi.....hes married. Certainly you wouldnt call one of the best bloggers a beta fag simply because he is married?

 

[VikingKing]

You know what you two? The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference.

 

[TheException]

OP, there exists one underlying assumption that skews your analysis.


That is the assumption that women of today are the same as women of 40 or 50 years ago. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I lived it... I know.

Then you better than ANYONE should understand what I am saying. You witnessed the pu$$ification of men first hand. As I stated in my response to PHM, its not the women im concerned with. They are exactly like I expect them to be....its the men who have changed for the worse and have ultimately WORKED TO CHANGE that way. They actively participate in society and hollywoods image of the "nice guy".

Of course, women have always possessed a natural proclivity toward the character traits that cause us so much grief, but back then these traits were balanced and held in check by societal standards. The complete removal of these standards by the media's relentless brainwashing, combined with the weakness of men and weak politicians who covet women's votes, have removed all these balancing forces thereby yielding the impossible situation we face today.

Bolded above is the main source. You atleast acknowledge it....you just underestimate the damage done by it.

I'm also beginning to realize that part of the problem is that the world has become too big for every individual. Back in the day, women had a small circle within which to operate, and there was no online dating. When she wanted to relate to someone, she either waited till she saw them in-person or picked up the phone. Her world was smaller, manageable, and there were repercussions for sh!tty behavior.

Now this is true....but at the end of the day its just complaining and whining. It doesnt matter if a woman has a million options, if the guys fears other men....hes not going to win. The prize mentality is key no matter how many potential suitors a woman has. If she doesnt choose you...great, move on to the next plate. You shouldnt be waiting for her to pick you anyways.

Now they have a literally inexhaustible supply of options and betas who they keep sniffing around and telling them what a princess they are. This has served to further erode their collective character.

Correct. But this is actually good for men that are not this way. It makes us stand out and actually turns on a woman. However...for society as a whole, it would be most beneficial to everyone if chump guys were to stop this kind of stupid sh1t. If everyone was alpha, women would wise up real quick and you would see a drop in sh1t tests and what many consider "manipulative" behavior. If a woman does not....the alpha would dump her. You see...low quality women would be screened out of existence.

easy to dismiss observation and articulation of reality as "bitterness". Labels are easy. PlayHerMan is correct in saying that modern women are not worth commitment. Fortunate is the man who finds one of the 3% who exhibit a tolerable degree of character.

High quality modern women are certainly worthy of commitment. Maybe PHM is not worthy of the high quality women so he stays where he is most comfortable and prefers.

 

[zekko]

That is the assumption that women of today are the same as women of 40 or 50 years ago. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I lived it... I know.

Women are more immoral today, although that is true of men as well.

Just out of curiousity, what do you consider a "modern woman"? Is this every woman that is alive today? Every woman alive today under 40? Under 60? Every woman who owns a computer or television? What?


And I'll quote this for truth:

And notice how he uses the word "shaming". I was once a very strong user of this word, but lately people are destroying it and the purpose it was meant to serve. It originally was to be used AGAINST WOMEN...who would attempt to make a man feel bad about his sexual nature and being. NOW...."red pill extremists" use it against other men because they cant take criticism for their illogical views. One ounce of criticism and they rationalize that the criticism is an attempt to shame them.....pathetic.

 

[HumbleNinja]

To be honest all this red pill stuff is nothing new to anyone who has a clue before hearing the term "red pill" related to whatever they dislike in regards to chicks. It's more like a bunch of dudes menstrating "red rag" style in Oprahesque group hugs.

Dudes talking about how much worse women have gotten, how great things were back in the days (even if they weren't born then) and these are the same dudes who'll lump everyone they choose into groups they are 100% positive are "like that" in whatever they choose to see about them.

Society progresses. True things do turn for the worse just as they become more positive. The world changes and devolves at the same time as evolving. Just like it's always done. Some people can handle it. Many cannot.

Perhaps those who cannot should simply find a hut to hide in in some remote village somewhere where society, and humanity never changes.

 

[VikingKing]

To be honest all this red pill stuff is nothing new to anyone who has a clue before hearing the term "red pill" related to whatever they dislike in regards to chicks. It's more like a bunch of dudes menstrating "red rag" style in Oprahesque group hugs.

Dudes talking about how much worse women have gotten, how great things were back in the days (even if they weren't born then) and these are the same dudes who'll lump everyone they choose into groups they are 100% positive are "like that" in whatever they choose to see about them.

Society progresses. True things do turn for the worse just as they become more positive. The world changes and devolves at the same time as evolving. Just like it's always done. Some people can handle it. Many cannot.

Perhaps those who cannot should simply find a hut to hide in in some remote village somewhere where society, and humanity never changes.

The red pill is about looking at things for what they are, and not from the perspective our feminized society has been teaching.

Women probably were better before, they were still women though.

You sound like a feminism sympathizer.

 

[HumbleNinja]

Guy makes epic poem length post on sosuave then says this

Then again you do have almost three times the amount of posts..Just sayin..

 

[HumbleNinja]

What is your problem? You have this agitation hostility vibe about you that I only saw from you when you got banned last time. Did you miss your bipolar meds? Seriously its not like you to be so negative and hostile to other posters.

I guess if I make a point that hits a nerve on here the projecting begins that "I" have this "hostility vibe". No it's just I don't agree with a lot of the nonsense and weirdness on here. There are a few good posters but there's a LOT of nonsense.

But if it helps some sleep at night that I'm "mad". then ok. I'm "mad". lol

 

[VikingKing]

I guess if I make a point that hits a nerve on here the projecting begins that "I" have this "hostility vibe". No it's just I don't agree with a lot of the nonsense and weirdness on here. There are a few good posters but there's a LOT of nonsense.

But if it helps some sleep at night that I'm "mad". then ok. I'm "mad". lol

If you don't like what you see on here, why don't you stop reading the forum?

When I don't like something, I just stop exposing myself to it.

Your not going to make any changes on here, but if you want to nip at peoples heels, then I guess you can.

 

[HumbleNinja]

If you don't like what you see on here, why don't you stop reading the forum?

When I don't like something, I just stop exposing myself to it.

Your not going to make any changes on here, but if you want to nip at peoples heels, then I guess you can.

I don't read many threads on here. Just the few posters who seem level headed and aren't complaining or doing the "Alpha" bit every time they post.

The red pill is about looking at things for what they are, and not from the perspective our feminized society has been teaching.

Women probably were better before, they were still women though.

You sound like a feminism sympathizer.

lol.

Think of it this way. I look at feminists as chicks who are trying to do what men have ALREADY done.

When you look at it that way MEN are still the leaders and women still the followers.

It's like the kid on the block who's always trying to prove himself to others and outdo them. It get old after a while and then bores you and you move on from the nonsense.

 

[Turuwal]

Totally agree with the OP. Hypergamy, in one word, pretty much explains the whole lot. Your skill in the game determines whether you are on the good end or the bad end of it.

Oh and a quick note about quality girls. In my humble experience, a quality girl is not a girl who won't ever have sex with other men. All girls have sex with multiple men for reasons noted in my other posts. A quality girl is one who knows not to choose an a$$hole to do it with and knows how to keep it completely hidden so that the relationship runs smoothly.