Quick Way to Learn Fighting

[cA^]

Yep i've been learning Brazilian Jui Jitsu, it owns man.

You cant really learn it in a few days but man if you or any of you guys wanna know what it's all about, download 'Ultimate Fight Championships' or 'Pride' or 'K1'.

I feel way more confident in street fights now that I know how to do arm bars, kamieras, chokes, knees and kicks. If I get into a fight I think that I can win using these tacts.

Once they go to ground, get in either the mount or side control, smash them up with fists / elbows, throw a few knees into the side of the head then armbar them.

 

[Adone]

Originally posted by cA^
Once they go to ground, get in either the mount or side control, smash them up with fists / elbows, throw a few knees into the side of the head then armbar them.

I don't know if that's what you mean, but you should NEVER try to get on the ground WITH them. While they're on the ground, you should always try to keep standing on your feet and making them never get up again, until you're certain they won't keep fighting. How do you get sure they stay on the ground? Kicks in the face and in the stomach usually work. NEVER grab them, because you could easily lose your balance and fall on the ground.

 

[Shiftkey]

The problem with fighting on the ground is that you're more vulnerable to a buddy of the guy you're fighting hitting you with a lead pipe. It's a better idea to only fight on the ground if you're already there.

 

[muttley]

Originally posted by Adone
I don't know if that's what you mean, but you should NEVER try to get on the ground WITH them. While they're on the ground, you should always try to keep standing on your feet and making them never get up again, until you're certain they won't keep fighting. How do you get sure they stay on the ground? Kicks in the face and in the stomach usually work. NEVER grab them, because you could easily lose your balance and fall on the ground.

Your talking nonsense my friend

www.bjj.org
k thx bye

 

[cA^]

errr wtf?

Adone you dont know what you're on about my friend. Most street fights are standup - you get inside their guard, flip them down and make sure you fall ontop of them and 95% of the time they wouldnt have a clue on what your going to do.
Thats when you can sink knees, elbows and fists into their head and while they're defending themselves not having a clue what to do, give them an armbar or kamira.

Originally posted by muttley
Your talking nonsense my friend

www.bjj.org
k thx bye

Quoted for truth.

 

[jookins]

Re: Re: Quick Way to Learn Fighting

Originally posted by Kidd
In a day or two? Not gonna work. When it comes to a real fight, you just won't think about using any of the techniques it will be so fast paced.

Ive been a kickboxer for about 5 years now, and in order for any moves to be effective, you need to practice and practice them MANY MANY times.

Want to learn to fight? Take up boxing/kickboxing/tae kwan do.

Or just start fighting people on a regular basis. You will get your ass kicked but you will learn to fight pretty fast.

This guy is right. And any person/program that claims can make you into a good fighter in a short amount of time is full of BS. Don't believe it. You cant learn to be a good fighter in a day or two.. Or even a year or two, unless you train very hard every day, and that is rare. The best way to win a fight is by avoiding it.

 

[jookins]

Originally posted by muttley
I practice jiujitsu. Ill whoop yo ass

Ok heres the deal. You have to structure every thing step by step.

1) Close the gap
Going pound for pound, toe to toe with a bigger guy will get u knocked the **** out. Close the gap and get close to him so he cannot punch you. I cant explain it here because there are several ways to easily close teh gap and correctly bear hug your opponent from side/front/behind


2) Take him to the ground
When hes on the floor he wont know what to do, he will try to get back up as soon as possible or just get angrier and confused more. Good. Again there are several ways to take an opponent down from the side, front or behind.


3) Establish position
We want to establish mount position. This is when you are sittin on you opponent on his chest. That is the objective.


4) Make him submit/ break bone/ beat his ass

once we can maintain mount position, its time to finish the fight. get him in an arm bar and snap his arm. Snap his wrist or beat him to a pulp with your fists and elbows.




We fight every week like this in jiujitsu training ( minus the punches , eye gouging , kicks , bites ). We close the gap, take down, establish position, go for submission. In a real fight id dod the exact same thing. If any guy wants to go with me then he is TOAST. Id make him bleed so bad.


Go learn jiujitsu, then muay thai or boxing. Im Stuck between either learning muay thai or kick boxing/taekwondo next. i dont know :S

You might whoop ass in the dojo/tournament. but on the street you NEVER grapple with anyone, thats like suicide. grappling is DANGEROUS on the street, its not a nice clean matt for you, it's usually nice rough asphalt with glass and various dangerous objects, and if your opponent has a knife hidden somewhere and you grapple, you're dead. besides, you cant grapple multiple opponents

 

[Adone]

Originally posted by cA^
errr wtf?

Adone you dont know what you're on about my friend. Most street fights are standup - you get inside their guard, flip them down and make sure you fall ontop of them and 95% of the time they wouldnt have a clue on what your going to do.
Thats when you can sink knees, elbows and fists into their head and while they're defending themselves not having a clue what to do, give them an armbar or kamira.



Quoted for truth.

True, pal. IF you are an expert grappler/wrestler/BJJer or you are considerably bigger than your opponent. But the guy that asked the question wants to learn to fight in a couple of days, so he most probably doesn't know shìt about proper grappling, and he doesn't sound like a huge fellow.

What's the point of getting on the ground if your opponent is already there and you can kick him in the face by standing on your feet?

 

[silverfox]

BJJ, Muay Thai, Rex kwan do, whatever...

Why do you want to fight? You want to pick fights in bars or you just want to defend yourself in case you get attacked?

Here's what happens. Go and learn xyz style, train, earn some grades and do some sparring. Then one day some mean SOB comes out of nowhere and wants to take your head off. You freeze, time gets distorted, you get tunnel vision, your adrenal glands go into overdrive, your sphincter wants to release and all that training goes out the window.

If you want to be able to survive a scrap then you need the mindset. All the choke holds, roundhouse kicks and five point palm exploding heart techniques in the world will be no use to you unless you have the requisite mental toughness.

Basically, you aren't going to be able to do much in 2 days so I would recommend you choose nike-jutsu and run away.

 

[Adone]

Originally posted by silverfox
BJJ, Muay Thai, Rex kwan do, whatever...

Why do you want to fight? You want to pick fights in bars or you just want to defend yourself in case you get attacked?

Here's what happens. Go and learn xyz style, train, earn some grades and do some sparring. Then one day some mean SOB comes out of nowhere and wants to take your head off. You freeze, time gets distorted, you get tunnel vision, your adrenal glands go into overdrive, your sphincter wants to release and all that training goes out the window.

If you want to be able to survive a scrap then you need the mindset. All the choke holds, roundhouse kicks and five point palm exploding heart techniques in the world will be no use to you unless you have the requisite mental toughness.

Basically, you aren't going to be able to do much in 2 days so I would recommend you choose nike-jutsu and run away.

This is something we all should think about. Why do you think there are 5'9 skinny guys that never got into any martial art, however everybody, including you, is afraid to stare at, fearing they will start a fight? Because you know they CAN fight. I don't mean they KNOW how to fight. You just know they are not scared to fight anyone who asks them.
People can usually sense whether someone is eager to fight or not.

 

[Shiftkey]

Here's what happens. Go and learn xyz style, train, earn some grades and do some sparring. Then one day some mean SOB comes out of nowhere and wants to take your head off. You freeze, time gets distorted, you get tunnel vision, your adrenal glands go into overdrive, your sphincter wants to release and all that training goes out the window.

As long as you train in a practical martial art like boxing or jeet kune do or krav maga, that last sentence is utter bullsh1t.

The artsy traditional martial arts I have my doubts about however. Who's going to do a round kick to the head in a real fight??

 

[silverfox]

Not necessarily. If a boxer nails you with a head shot it's lights out for sure so enjoy the ride down. But he will probably break his hand in the process. Hand wraps and gloves aren't there to protect the other guy's chin. I agree with what you say about "artsy" styles though.

What I am getting it is be realistic and honest about your training and why you are doing it. If you want to train for real self defence then you will have a different set of training requirements than a guy who wants to win tournaments.

 

[Shiftkey]

Another edge you get from any martial art training is endurance. After my first session of kickboxing I felt like I was going to puke from dehydration and just being out of shape. After a couple of weeks the nausia went away, but I would have to stop for a drink every 10 minutes. Now I hardly even get out of breath, don't need any water breaks, and I'm doing more difficult varients of exercises, while the newbies around me are giving up midway through a session. Sessions are 45 min or 1 hour long (depending on the schedule).

My friends and I sometimes spar. They lift weights, but don't do much cardio and don't train in any martial arts. They get tired after a couple of rounds, while I'm still at full energy.

I'd expect even the artsy martial arts guys, and the guys who compete in tournaments to have this edge.

If a boxer nails you with a head shot it's lights out for sure so enjoy the ride down. But he will probably break his hand in the process. Hand wraps and gloves aren't there to protect the other guy's chin.

I understand that, but knowing how to punch can greatly reduce your risk of breaking your hand - gloves or no. Training involves alot of repetition. You don't have to remember how to punch when you punch the right way thousands of times while training. It becomes automatic, as do the other techniques practised.

 

[silverfox]

True enough. I remember my first kickboxing class. I thought I was fit but I was sucking air like nobody's business after half an hour. I always tell people if they really want to get fit to forget jogging, step aerobics or whatever's fashionable that week and go and do conditioning with a decent boxer or kickboxer (not cardio kick or tae bo or whatever.) They'll have you puking your guts up but stick with it and you'll reap the results.

Better to have fitness than not have it but I still don't think it can be the deciding factor in winning a fight. There are plenty of hard bastards out there who don't work out and have never taken a martial art in their life but would wade through most martial artists in a fight because they are naturally strong, mean and willing to hurt someone else.

Look up Bulletman training or Geoff Thompson's Animal Day training. Even the thought of it is pretty unpleasant but that kind of pressurised training (learning to deal with adrenal dump etc) will be invaluable if you really find yourself in trouble.

Here's a very basic idea. If you have a sparring partner and you want to work on defending against punches, get him to get right up in your face, shove you in the chest a few times and give you some verbal abuse before he starts piling in with the haymakers. It changes the complexion of the drill quite a bit.

 

[Nzo]

Watching boxing should help

 

[englishman]

when I was about 8 my dad made me go to judo, hated it at the time, but when i got about 12 i started getting in a lot of fights and just knowing 3 moves really well, won me most fights, 1st the take down i learned was real simple and effective,it was really just a bear hug and sweeping there legs away, I also learned a choke hold and a way to lay on top of a guy with his head locked and my weight spread so he couldnt get up! that and learning how to correctly throw good powerfull punches will put you ahead of most people! after that some ju jitsu arm locks and chokes look pretty simple and effective and you can break bones/choke some mo fuker really easily with that sh1t. few days wont do it though, couple a months would..

 

[englishman]

Mate of mine got in a bar disagrement, guy offers him outside, he says ok, they get to the stairway, mate says after you! fool of a guy says ok and goes in front, mate pushes him down the stairs and knocks the fvck out of him...lol...now that kind of manuvare you can learn it 2 days..lol..

 

[Blowfish]

Best technique in a fight is learn not to get into fights... but then again, some situations you can't get out of.

Learn to box, learn to throw punches with power and speed and accuracy. Learn to jab, with a nice jab, you can control the fight.

Forget all forms of martial arts, everything goes out the window when it comes to a real street fight, you have to throw endless waves of punches... and try not to end up on the ground (meaning you being the victim on the ground).

I guess I should start up on a post on learning to fight...

 

[Dante1a]

I agree that your training in any particular martial art does go out the window in a street fight. However, I think the point everyone is missing is that if someone has the warrior mindset of adaptability ( the same used when working with women) and has trained his body in movement and fighting, then the martial art goes out the window...it is only the fighter now. It is only an expression. In fact, in a true warrior mindset..victory or failure has nothing to do with your actions! That my friend, is the ultimate goal of a fighting system. To train you so you can destroy it again.

Most martial systems are catagorized ways of teaching what others have done before..but each person is different..So is each fighting style. The problem is most styles don't train to fight people who don't fight like them.

I would like to see a predatory street fighter with no training have the reactive speed of a well trained fighter..not happening. However, it is the mindset, the complete unwavering WILL TO FIGHT, that makes these untrained fighters dangerous to warriors in training.

By the way, a warrior is not only someone who fights. It is a mindset that applies everywhere. There are some great stories pretaining to this concept.

But, depending on your goals:
If you want to not be hurt - diffuse the situation with words or run.
If you want to risk the possibilty of even being killed - fight..but fight with absolute mental authority. Fight as if it was the last thing you'd ever do. (BUT: This isn't me saying anything like some people's macho "Finish him!" b******t.)

From extensive experience..gratuitous violence is a terrible and disgusting thing. However, I do believe that to be a man, you should learn how to fight so you never have to.

Through the process of training, one of the most valuble skills I have learned is to evade attackers by using easy and simple footwork. Sure I could take them down or basically kill them, but that's generally not on my to do list. I don't want to be put in prison because I had no control and ON TOP OF THAT..why ruin someone else's life? They have something to do on this planet just like we all do.

Also, telling an inexperienced guy to TAKE THEM TO THE GROUND is irresponsible. Being on the ground has both advantages and disadvantages. The disadvantages for a non trained man are too much.

Good luck! Find some training...all of you!!

 

[englishman]

Originally posted by Dante1a
I agree that your training in any particular martial art does go out the window in a street fight. However, I think the point everyone is missing is that if someone has the warrior mindset of adaptability ( the same used when working with women) and has trained his body in movement and fighting, then the martial art goes out the window...it is only the fighter now. It is only an expression. In fact, in a true warrior mindset..victory or failure has nothing to do with your actions! That my friend, is the ultimate goal of a fighting system. To train you so you can destroy it again.

Most martial systems are catagorized ways of teaching what others have done before..but each person is different..So is each fighting style. The problem is most styles don't train to fight people who don't fight like them.

I would like to see a predatory street fighter with no training have the reactive speed of a well trained fighter..not happening. However, it is the mindset, the complete unwavering WILL TO FIGHT, that makes these untrained fighters dangerous to warriors in training.

By the way, a warrior is not only someone who fights. It is a mindset that applies everywhere. There are some great stories pretaining to this concept.

But, depending on your goals:
If you want to not be hurt - diffuse the situation with words or run.
If you want to risk the possibilty of even being killed - fight..but fight with absolute mental authority. Fight as if it was the last thing you'd ever do. (BUT: This isn't me saying anything like some people's macho "Finish him!" b******t.)

From extensive experience..gratuitous violence is a terrible and disgusting thing. However, I do believe that to be a man, you should learn how to fight so you never have to.

Through the process of training, one of the most valuble skills I have learned is to evade attackers by using easy and simple footwork. Sure I could take them down or basically kill them, but that's generally not on my to do list. I don't want to be put in prison because I had no control and ON TOP OF THAT..why ruin someone else's life? They have something to do on this planet just like we all do.

Also, telling an inexperienced guy to TAKE THEM TO THE GROUND is irresponsible. Being on the ground has both advantages and disadvantages. The disadvantages for a non trained man are too much.

Good luck! Find some training...all of you!!

Sounds like your book smart but lacking in experience and maybe a bit fearfull of a real fight instead of a contest type of fight, its really rare that a street fight will kill ya, if its one on one anyway...