Quest to get a gf or get laid by Feb 32nd, 2039.

[Luke Skywalker]

I've just re-checked my score on the general self esteem test and originally it was 13 out of 16 - two marks short of good self-esteem.

I re-checked the scores and noticed I made an error on question 7 that I overlooked. That brings the score out to 14 points - just one mark less of a good self-esteem in general.

There are only two questions that there are 'issues' on:

The first question where: 'other people are better off or more fortunate than me' is sort of a throw-off.

The third question where: 'I enjoy socializing'. Are the only two faults.

But, I view myself as a naturally introvert person that really isn't that much into socializing. I think that there is game out there that's compatable with that profile, and introvert people also have success just the same. Just because I dont enjoy socialising doesn't in itself, reflect a poor self-esteem.

I talk to people, I have friends in real life, and I can mingle in a crowd - it's not something that I look out to doing - I'm just not that way.

In terms of the first question - anyone here would likely believe that there is probably someone out there that they think are better off or more fortunate than they are in some way or another - but I understand - one should view God as no respector of persons, which is who He is, and not think that any person is given any unfair or biased favour that's available to anyone.

For example, I was thinking, well people in heaven are better off and more fortunate than I am on earth - so it's more of an abstract philisophical thougth that I put on that, and I dont think it necessarily reflects a fault.

Now - with respect to a romantic-sexual angle, virtually all the question except for number 9 was answered negatively. I really seems to be a compartmentalised issue.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Went out with an office friend to a buffet. However, it was a rather stale of interaction and it didn't seem that I had it in me to up the antes in the interaction as I feel there is some psychological block. I dont feel that she's attracted to me further than a friend or I'm building any attraction in her.

Thus, I put my first vote of non-confidence and reduce the pool right now to two girls in my life. One of them I haven't called in over a month, and the other (the one I have been talking about on here), seems to have lost some attraction or her interest is lower than it was before I left to go out of town.

I think it's only a matter of time before these two last dating prospects are given a vote of no-confidence and then I shall proceed with 'Operation Drawing-Board' - the purchase and download of various e-books, including and featuring David De'Angelo.

Once a full vote of non-confidence is placed - I'm placing a statement that ALL women are the same and that by understanding the experts, PUA's and other people on how they work, and how to get them attracted, then there is a real chance to figure things out rather than to just sit and watch attraction and eventually relationships and friendships just fall through the cracks.

However, since there is technically a relationship/friendship I'm going to hold on until I have a concrete crash & burn or fade-away first.

The last girl here is a born-again Christian and choir leader of her church, but we shall see that attraction works the same way on her like with anyone else. I went to churches - where I was into a girl, I was infatuated with her, while some other alpha-guy got the dude. The only difference is one is just a bit more spiritual - while in the world, well, it's not spiritual - but women are all the same.

I dont know what I'm doing and it's just a matter of time before I start buying these e-books - but first I must see my existing relations just fade infront of me first before that happens.

 

[Boschy]

Do not masturbate for two months. Then find a fatty who wears expensive perfume, taker her home, and stick it in.

 

[Docs]

I'm placing a statement that ALL women are the same and that by understanding the experts, PUA's and other people on how they work, and how to get them attracted, then there is a real chance to figure things out rather than to just sit and watch attraction and eventually relationships and friendships just fall through the cracks.

However, since there is technically a relationship/friendship I'm going to hold on until I have a concrete crash & burn or fade-away first.

And like I fvcking told you before, with that attitude, you WILL fail. It doesn't matter what the fvck you learn, or what you do, if you ahve the mindset of a failure, you're already 90% of the way there.

Smarten the fvck up, read a little bit of basic Kino, conversation and how to make yourself look a little decent and fvcking step outside of your box for a second. Why would you let 2 viable prospects crash and burn, if clearly you're writing about them, you're expressing that you are interested in...whatever. Now, why the fvck would you let them go because, "I'm a failure because I'm going to let them die off".

You are pathetic sometimes.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

And like I fvcking told you before, with that attitude, you WILL fail. It doesn't matter what the fvck you learn, or what you do, if you ahve the mindset of a failure, you're already 90% of the way there.

We shall see about that. If something isn't working, then it isn't working, and a positive attitude, or negative attitude or whatever, isn't going to help it until there is a totally new and fresh approach altogether.

Smarten the fvck up, read a little bit of basic Kino, conversation and how to make yourself look a little decent and fvcking step outside of your box for a second.

I have read about basic kino - no go, if I tense up and cant do it, then I can not do it. Conversation - there is always some sort of conversation but if there is no romantic/sexual or fun arising from the convo - then what? I already look decent and am already outside the box.

Why would you let 2 viable prospects crash and burn, if clearly you're writing about them, you're expressing that you are interested in...whatever. Now, why the fvck would you let them go because, "I'm a failure because I'm going to let them die off".

Because if they are going to fall through the cracks because I dont understand women and attraction and I see their interest levels just go down like someone going into cardio arrest and seeing the heart beat just taper off into a straight line while I look on helplessly as another girl loses interest away in my life or cant see me as more than a friend, then that would indicate that it would be a good decision at that point to buy some e-books.

There is no control out of any outcome in my interactions with these girls and where it goes is out of my hands. But - maybe there is something to these DeAngelo products or whatever, so I'm certainly going to be on the market for them. I dont who what I'm doing or understand attraction and think women are too difficult to understand and I'm tired of seeing things crash and burn.

 

[Docs]

We shall see about that. If something isn't working, then it isn't working, and a positive attitude, or negative attitude or whatever, isn't going to help it until there is a totally new and fresh approach altogether.
Nope. You take a step back and IDENTIFY what is going wrong, where it's going wrong, and go, ok, how can I fix this with what I know. You're just letting the concept fall out of your hands.


I have read about basic kino - no go, if I tense up and cant do it, then I can not do it. Conversation - there is always some sort of conversation but if there is no romantic/sexual or fun arising from the convo - then what? I already look decent and am already outside the box.
You're tense because you are not comfortable with touch. I go around and daily kiss girls on the head and it's nothing. All that takes is confidence, and a little bit of hard luck.

Conversation, learn to flirt. It's saved my ass so many times. Crack a joke, Tease her, comment on something that just happened as part of a little joke or whatever. The worst you can do is get a blank stare, or a mad stare.



Because if they are going to fall through the cracks because I dont understand women and attraction and I see their interest levels just go down like someone going into cardio arrest and seeing the heart beat just taper off into a straight line while I look on helplessly as another girl loses interest away in my life or cant see me as more than a friend, then that would indicate that it would be a good decision at that point to buy some e-books.
But you're not helping the case by letting it fall without even the attempt to try. The worst a woman can say is no. Plain and goddamn simple. Anything else other then a no is gold. You're not applying the basic concepts I know you have inside of your brain, from talking, kino, flirting, joking around (c&f), progression. I know you've read it, and buying the same knowledge at a outragious price, that's reallll smart.

There is no control out of any outcome in my interactions with these girls and where it goes is out of my hands. But - maybe there is something to these DeAngelo products or whatever, so I'm certainly going to be on the market for them. I dont who what I'm doing or understand attraction and think women are too difficult to understand and I'm tired of seeing things crash and burn.
You realize you have no control. WHY do you have no control. Are you letting the girl call the shots, are you pursuring this girl 10 times what she's reflecting back? Are you progressing your kino, your conversation, your connection persay? All questions that need an answer, and the realization that you have the knowledge already to solve the problem. No amount of money will help someone who doesn't realize it's all in your head.

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[tmpgstx]

What Docs says is right .. you fail in your mind before the failure becomes a reality in reality.

You need to man-up and when it comes to girls it is about FEELINGS, not LOGIC! It is about sexual arousal, taking control in a calm, confident and reasurring manner.

I have an awesome e-book that much is agreed with from highstatusmale.com. It is the second edition. If you want me to send it to you for free, zip me a message. I have the password for the e-book as well.
It is very good stuff, and from experience can to tell you the e-book is top-notch.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Thanks, I just sent a PM. And if anyone else has links to e-books that has really helped their game, please let me in on it.

 

[sparky0000]

And like I fvcking told you before, with that attitude, you WILL fail. It doesn't matter what the fvck you learn, or what you do, if you ahve the mindset of a failure, you're already 90% of the way there.

Smarten the fvck up, read a little bit of basic Kino, conversation and how to make yourself look a little decent and fvcking step outside of your box for a second. Why would you let 2 viable prospects crash and burn, if clearly you're writing about them, you're expressing that you are interested in...whatever. Now, why the fvck would you let them go because, "I'm a failure because I'm going to let them die off".

You are pathetic sometimes.

Chill, the dude is playing you. No wonder so many of you boys can't figure out females. Luke is smarter than 98% of what is on here. I promise you that he is laughing his a$$ off while he is typing this stuff. As I have said before, in 2007 America you are only a virgin if you want to be a virgin.

 

[Docs]

Chill, the dude is playing you. No wonder so many of you boys can't figure out females. Luke is smarter than 98% of what is on here. I promise you that he is laughing his a$$ off while he is typing this stuff. As I have said before, in 2007 America you are only a virgin if you want to be a virgin.

I'm not getting played, I have no attachment to his problems. I haven't made his problems my problems, his lack of love my lack of love.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

It seems that I have a problem of thinking too negatively. The girl called me last night and we have a date set up today. We have been seeing each other since December, talking daily on the phone and meeting twice a month or more, and I dont know why I would think the way I thought last night.

I have this bug that tends to portray OA's as superficial in an exaggerated way - almost to the point of being funny to an oberver (but with me it's a depression trigger of sorts).

I had promised earlier, that I would only update this thread if a relation actually crash and burned or faded, but instead, I've ended updating it on speculation that such will happen - showing how powerful and convincing negative thought process can be - that a speculation about something without actually seeing the fact is believed when it's negative in terms of worst case scenerio calculations.

I think most people on here have this problem, and wonder how something is going to go wrong if it seems too perfect or too good to be true, and they wonder where is the skeleton in the closet being hidden in this picture.

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I think perhaps it expalins it better when you see things as fitting into a natural order of things. I've always had some interested girl in the background somewhere, and some women have popped in my life at very helpful times although their motives were twisted, and things have worked out in one way or another in some natural type of way.

So, I think I'll really update this thread if it's absolutely necessary and will just see how long the relationships I have last before something happens, I'd really like to know the cause -- is it because I'm a wuss? Is it because I become predictable and boring? Is it because I'm with the girl right now, but she hasn't found someone that really gets her excited and projects himself as more of a man and I'm just there for now? Am I always going to be haunted with this feeling of an inner wuss that makes me feel less of a man or will I get over this? All questions.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Chill, the dude is playing you. No wonder so many of you boys can't figure out females. Luke is smarter than 98% of what is on here. I promise you that he is laughing his a$$ off while he is typing this stuff. As I have said before, in 2007 America you are only a virgin if you want to be a virgin.

First of all, I'm not in America, I'm in Canada. And what I'm saying here is quite serious. I was frustrated because I didn't get a return call from a girl I left a message too right away (but she eventually did later that same day and apologized for the delay in returning my call) and thought she lost interest and believed I was friendzoned with another girl. I wouldn't be thinking of buying e-books if I had all the answers. All I wrote about is my desire to buy e-books if current relations didn't work out, but they are, so maybe I wont buy any e-books.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

The e-book that was recommended has been read, and the first thing it said was thoughts of being 'less than a man' at 31 y/o may be tied to the fact that I live with my parents and am economically dependent on them.

This was on the first paragraph of their information. Gosh, at least I didn't have to pay money to hear that as I would have demanded an immediate refund. Books charging money to suggest to move out of home - duh, like I could have figured that out.

anyway, I'm going to do a few things today, and may continue reading that books for kicks, but so far, it already said something non-negotiable, that my living with home construct at 31 y/o is not a good idea.

Well, there are other authors out there who may able to have ideas that dont entail 'moving out of your parents home' and working around this - there has to be other solutions besides moving out of here.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

The e-book that was recommended has been read, and the first thing it said was thoughts of being 'less than a man' at 31 y/o may be tied to the fact that I live with my parents and am economically dependent on them.

This was on the first paragraph of their information. Gosh, at least I didn't have to pay money to hear that as I would have demanded an immediate refund. Books charging money to suggest to move out of home - duh, like I could have figured that out.

So exactly what answer are you looking for?

...Well, there are other authors out there who may able to have ideas that dont entail 'moving out of your parents home' and working around this - there has to be other solutions besides moving out of here.

Oh.

 

[tmpgstx]

You have to move out of your parents home, that is a dam first. Being 31 and living under their income signals some major low-status vibes.

Get out there and get your own place, start today, do not waste anymore time.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Wow. That's all I can say for now is wow.

I meet my girl today and we did shopping. While I seemed hesitant to kino (although she was wearing shorts and her legs were exposed) we did have some closeness. (ie. she tucking in my shirt inside the change room, french kissing, affectionate types of touch, etc....).

I bought a whole new wardrobe today and like spent $ 400.00 on clothes with the help of her fashion expertise and what type of clothes look sharp on me to turn her on. Well, there was a quite a few of those type of outfits. One of them made her feel like I looked like a breath of fresh air when I had it on. That is so sweet to have a girlfriend like that - that's dressing me up to look more sharper and attractive to her (and obviously everyone else).

Casual wear and formal wear has been upgraded. Definately this is the girl here, I feel really compatable with her, and I think there is a good personality connection.

Let's see, we are going to meet again next week and she's going to help me get a good hair-cut, get good jeans and have the right clothes.

She also said if I put my hands in my pockets I'll have better posture, and I should put some more lip-gloss on. My doctor ways I should lose weight, and while my girl says I dont look too obese, she did pat my stomach, so perhaps I should look at losing some weight or something.

Great --- so let's go back to my negative-think.

---- This girl is definately different and it's inefficient to be thinking negatively any further. I'm happy with this relationship and cant think that I will have a connection this good with anyone else, and she has the same values and beliefs that I have, so that's it, I'm not going to complain on this thread any further - and if I do - please tell me to shvt the heck up --- with a girl like that who is showing allot of care, I'd have to be the most ungrateful son of a b1tch in the world to think negative or complain about her.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Look at Luke... Becoming a "Ken Doll." Glad you've decided to change your attitude, you'll be amazed at the things you've been missing.

 

[Docs]

Who was fvckin right!?!?!

 

[selfmademob]

Luke - you are THE virgin troll - get a hor already!!!!

I know bro, it seems like LukeSkywalker has been around forever.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Updating this thread.

My gf is offering the following suggestions to improve my life after we have completed the last phase of my new look. (She oversaw my haircut at the barber and helped selected new jeans).

At this point she's suggesting that I stop looking at Doctor Who or serious-themed movies/shows, and look at a few romantic movies and a comedy film instead since she thinks that serious themed shows/movies are not healthy for me to look at.

Another suggestion she has made is to join various social groups or make friends with a group of people -including meeting more women too I supppose, but anyway if she wants to help me out - then that's all cool.

A final suggestion she made is that I should look at sports -- to further expand my mind.

These all sound like healthy types of suggestions or some sort of model in which to build a healthier type of life around -- I want to try out all of them to evaluate what type of impact it would have.