Quest to get a gf or get laid by Feb 32nd, 2039.

[muscleman]

Once again Luke, you might as well be talking to women. Once you have sex for the first time your entire life changes soon enough. No one here who's hit it before will be able to relate to anything you're saying. Though I do applaud your persistence in posting worthless crap. Go out there already. You've gotten all the help you need here. Take action you pvssy.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

I have put goals on this thread. I've posted that I have achieved one of the goals. End of story.

This is a success story - and I'm frankly more interested in having a loyal and faithful quality woman than getting laid with anyone. We are both virgins, and if any of us loses our virginity in this dating relationship to anyone else, other than ourselves, then it's terminated. But, I doubt that's going to happen in this case.

It looks like people on here want to invent some sort of failure so I'll keep on updating this thread, but it's not going to happen. This thread is happlier ever after concluded for now.

 

[I.A.F.Y.B.]

I just seen this, and I must say this HAS to be luke skywalker!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3Fzt7EPrI0

You never told us you tried comcast's dating on demand luke.

:crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup: :crackup:

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Also noticed this site 'doclove.com', may also decide to purchase this before buying into the stuff from De-Angelo assuming this thing just doesn't work out.

It seems she's starting to back away since when I asked for another date she said she was busy and didn't give much of an explanation or talk about another date, plus I felt off-balance when I asked for a date, something that I should nto be feeling. Anyway, as I said, I'm going to go for real life experience first, even if this crash and burns - or all current things with women go nowhere - before I go back to the drawing board and make a substantial investment in various dating books that are out there.

I'm decreasing the frequency that I'll be calling her as well as see new people in my life - as it appears she is backing away. I'm holding back on going on an e-book 'drawing board' retreat until all relations are over.

 

[Destiny17]

Just remember Luke, overanalyzing and overthinking seperates the body from the mind. -Tool

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Just remember Luke, overanalyzing and overthinking seperates the body from the mind. -Tool

It's not a matter of overanalyzing and overthinking, it's a matter of developing a practical cognitive framework that can work which will likely occur from further absorbtion of information and experience. Having a cogntitive framework that's effective and can serve as a good radar system to guide me through the maze of getting what I want out of the interactions with women is certainly the ultimate goal.

Every good and experienced DJ/PUA have developed a good cognitive framework with women and have the synapses connected in certain areas of their brain that help them to be successful, and this is also the goal here, which comes from a learning process.

To say that I'm overanalyzing and overthinking - well, it can become a recursion if I start overanalyzing and overthinking about how NOT to overanalyze and overthink, but that would require further analysis I suppose.

Anyway......I maintain my program.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Got an email from David De'Angelo that talks about 'Genius Failure Paradox' - I dont know how David does it, but I completely identify with his sales-pitch. He explains all these things about why smart guys fail with women.

He says the following reasons in point form: (which I identify with)

1) Poor social skills.
2) They psyche themselves out.
3) Seek informational solutions - creative avoidance - use more info to avoid taking action.
4) Focus on logic instead of emotion - logical rather than emotional conversation.
5) Not used to the challenge at the moment.
6) Cant deal with fear and other emotions - strength in mind, failure in emotions - frozen by fear, immobilized.

Then he goes on to pitch a few of his products.

But I'm not going to buy them until all current relations c&b or fade to insignificance.

 

[Docs]

I didn't buy anything, and I'm not a failure. I was a failure...but man, comeon, you're letting yourself get sucked in. Nobody thinks this hard about girls. You're becoming a thinking robot, there's no technical aspect about sexuality, for one, it's BIOLOGICAL. The only way you could get technical with this is if you referred to the various latin names for body parts...

Girls are so easy to figure out. Number one, they want enjoyment. From conversation, jokes, spending time with you, sex, anything that would make a ordinary person happy from day to day, between compliments, attention, praise, touch, being desired a little bit, teasing, THOSE are the things that will attract a woman.

Punching out probability charts on your dot matrix printer, or running excessively sophisticated algothums though your brain will not get you anywhere, because you can not possibly pay attention to the little signs, the most important signs.

Like, for a normal person, if a girl gives me the little signs of interest suggesting she wants a kiss, well I'll pick up on that. No way I need to whip out my minature calculator and multiply out a paper with countless variables that you have to go 'ahh, did she do that, wait..no...that variable shouldn't be so high..', and 'was that this or that variable..'. And by the time you're done processing all of that needless crap, the chance is alas, missed.

Yes, I'm comparing you to someone such as this, and it's true. You are focusing WAY TOO MUCH on framework, probability, throwing down a million reasons why she didn't get a kiss at the end of the night, about how your parents are killing your chances, even considering to buy useless sh!t from DA.....

Your sexuality is the most effective way to get a woman, has been for thousands of years, even before verbal language was invented (minus grunts). Touch your women man..

 

[Luke Skywalker]

As I said before, I have three current girls that are in my life, as soon as there is a 'break-down' on all three, then I'm proceeding to buy these materials. And why shouldn't I buy them, nothing to lose? Since I do have three girls that are listed somewhere - I'm going to wait until they all crash and burn or fade off due to my own lack of understanding or inexperience before buying these materials - after all, it's only fair.

I know there are various non-negotiable properties such as - it's a numbers game to find a girl whose interest level is strong enough for something to happen, and further than that it's also a looks game to determine how many numbers are involved. Once you find an interested girl, then you dont need game if the interest level is high enough, if it's borderline then you'll need some sort of game to stand out.

However, there are other properties that I cant grasp or do not understand, all I know is I'm just dont feel like a 'real man' since I do not really see myself as attractive to women, and anywhere I am getting seems to be a fluke (after all, you cant miss 100% of the time either). These concepts may be taught in something like these type of programs in easy language. Stuff like how to create real attraction, emotional / sexual communication, are one among many of foreign concepts.

I've read other books before, but I think I really connect with the De-Aneglow pitch.

If you have a success story without buying anything and were a prior failure, then why not share it with us?

 

[Docs]

So, you have three girls. You already have a poor attitude, saying how you'll let them crash and burn or fade off due to your own lack of understanding or inexperience. How the hell do you expect to get anywhere. Before I say more about that, you asked about me.

Well, I'm certainly not as old as you are, but I used to be socially incapable, and by that, I had no skill with conversation, or girls, or even being included in a group of people, I used to slide out, avoid if you will.

I didn't buy a single piece of material from any of the marketing crap advertised. I was actually shown this site by a close work friend, and I read information, and kept it in the back of my head. Little things, such as learning how to not act like the nice guy, teasing/flirting, touch (the proper use thereof), how to kiss, how to escalate, how to take control of the conversation, finding confidence within, displaying higher value, learning when to put your foot down, and more. EVERY single one of those topics can be found on this site for free. Not one penny of cost to you, yields the same exact crap DA or anyone else will tell you for $39.99 + S&H.

What I'm trying to tell you, is that you need to research the basics, work on the basics, discover how to approach, how to do it right, practice it, and repeat. Learn how to use your energy state in interaction to control the mood, the topic, her reaction. Learn when how and where to apply touch. Learn that she is too, a sexual creature and such like yourself, desires sexual attention (ie: FLIRTING). Learn to crack a joke, take a joke, and roll with a joke. Understand that there are no rules defining how to date a woman. That there is no 100% way to be perfect at attraction. That logic does not apply to a woman if the reasons to do the illogical are strong enough (attraction). Develop confidence, though inspirational threads and experiences of others, and though your own successes and failures. That outside apperance applies only to the shallow.

And I gotta go, I'll finish this up later

 

[Desdinova]

Whomever I choose to marry shall be good in bed

Agreed. You won't have anybody else to compare your wife to. Therefore, any sex (even if it's bad) is better than no sex.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

So, you have three girls. You already have a poor attitude, saying how you'll let them crash and burn or fade off due to your own lack of understanding or inexperience. How the hell do you expect to get anywhere. ...

Makes me wonder what's the actual purpose of this thread.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

So, you have three girls. You already have a poor attitude, saying how you'll let them crash and burn or fade off due to your own lack of understanding or inexperience. How the hell do you expect to get anywhere. Before I say more about that, you asked about me.

Thanks for sharing your story.

No, I'm saying I'm not buying a particular product unless that condition is meet first, otherwise, I'd prefer to get more real life experience first.

I've read through your post and it's good to hear that you've benefitted from the info on this site. But other posters on here have also benefitted from various products on here and have posted success stories on them, or have found that some of these things have really helped them. Why should I limit myself to try all available resources?

For the record, I am taking little nit-picks of data here and there, I'm starting to try and increase the level of kino, and have an ongoing approach journal which I update weekly, and I also may work on smiling. The books that I have used in the past is HTSWW and Payton Kane's Seduce and Conquer - the Complete program. Other than that, plus real life experience and what's on here - do I really have all that I need?

I understand some of the problems with these products is they sell you half-truths, it undermines your confidence that you paying to 'learn' to be 'attractive to women' and seems like you are buying false hope by changing who you are into something you are not so you can get laid or get a false gf who likes what you are portraying but not the 'real' you.

But for some reason I feel connected with David DeAngelo's brand - when I read his sales-pitch it's like he's talking directly to me and I really see myself there - I've also heard success stories from here too with his brand. Furthermore, you can buy a product from him without being charged, and if it doesn't work, you just say 'no charge' on a reply and you dont get charged (probably will burn bridges of future business though).

Furthermore, the if anyone tries out a product that really works, or busts for them, it adds to the data base of threads on here of what works and what doesn't work. If any product works for me and turns me into a stud then why not - I dont care where I got the information or inspiration from. If the information that's here for free works - then great - but I want to keep all avenues open.

Each person has to try out whatever they can connect with, with their own type of personality and style, and sort of make it work - but since I'm not planning to buy anything at this moment, I will review this site as you said.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Makes me wonder what's the actual purpose of this thread.

Exactly what the thread title says.

You cant have a good attitude if you do not see yourself as attractive to women and feel 'less of a man' because of it. Sooner or later it's going to raise it's ugly head as it has in the past, when I find I'm not getting where I want with girls. It's really an insecure point of issue and I'm thinking if any of the current relations c&b or dissolve on that particular premise, then I'd go back to the drawingboard.

The attitudes are mainly expressed here and are masked in day to day interactions.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

Exactly what the thread title says.

You cant have a good attitude if you do not see yourself as attractive to women and feel 'less of a man' because of it. Sooner or later it's going to raise it's ugly head as it has in the past, when I find I'm not getting where I want with girls. It's really an insecure point of issue and I'm thinking if any of the current relations c&b or dissolve on that particular premise, then I'd go back to the drawingboard.

The attitudes are mainly expressed here and are masked in day to day interactions.

It seems that the path you're on is just bringing around recurring setbacks. Even though they are admittedly frustrating, we're watching you go though countless situations with the exact same attitude and the exact same outcomes, you recognize this yourself.

The unofficial definition of insanity is repeatedly doing the same things expecting a different outcome. When are you going to do something different? Your escapades seem to only foster attention from people in this forum and nothing else.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

Now, I'm always open to free advice on here, but I'm overwhelmed with the info on here. The only thing I'm working on is really approaching and kino and possibly 'smiling' for the time being, focusing on getting over little fears and learning how little actions, such as kino, smiling, could help make a connection.

If anyone who has read all my threads wants to recommend focusing on any particular thread on here, please feel free to post the links to that thread on reply to this post - this includes any conceptual direction.

 

[Luke Skywalker]

It seems that the path you're on is just bringing around recurring setbacks. Even though they are admittedly frustrating, we're watching you go though countless situations with the exact same attitude and the exact same outcomes, you recognize this yourself.

Last year there have been a few crash and burns, and I was very harsh with one of the girls I liked to the point of virtually kicking her (figuratively - nasty email exchange) without mercy when she was already down because of that 'attitude' and probably ultimately losing her. (She wrote an email about how a man dumped her like a hot potatoe after conquest and it triggered something nasty with me where I just hated her) I would say some inner game issues are involved then, and possibly still have some issues that are 'dormant' today - but it's probably all relating to inner game problems.

All just the same, David D'Angelo offers products that also help with inner game. The only thing that can be done differently is to buy more products and see if any of them work. But I'm not buying anything unless things get more desperate.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

My suggestion: Change your goal and change your source of information. You're trying to merge onto a highway at 75MPH while driving a manual transmission and you've haven't yet received your learner's permit. Instead of wanting to drive on the German Autobahn, learn how to drive a stick on the backroads of Iowa (no disrespect to Iowans, GO HAWKEYES). Get your learner's permit first.

http://www.more-selfesteem.com/

 

[Luke Skywalker]

There is an issue with the 'self-esteem' test. I have two drastically different self-esteem scores. You see I did a test of general self-esteem, and the result was 'not bad but room for improvement'. But when I did an isolated self-esteem test that deal with romantic/sexual issues, the result is esteem is drastically low.

It's exactly the problem again, in any other area of life that doesn't pertain to women - romantic/sexual - self-esteem is normal. It's when women - romantic/sexual is involved, it takes a nose-dive and goes off the cliff.

This is why this is not a general self-esteem issue - and is why you need specialised and qualified types of ways of dealing with it since it seems to be a compartmentalised problem.

It's all about getting a part of life handled properly - and that's why this board is here, and why there are so many books, pheneromes or whatever on the market to either help, or give an illusion of false hope - it either had to be handled or it has to be jettisoned, and jettisoning it is not an option.

I appreciate your input into this matter and will still browse through the site anyway - has some really good interesting stuff.

 

[Francisco d'Anconia]

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It's exactly the problem again, in any other area of life that doesn't pertain to women - romantic/sexual - self-esteem is normal. It's when women - romantic/sexual is involved, it takes a nose-dive and goes off the cliff.
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This is why this is not a general self-esteem issue - and is why you need specialised and qualified types of ways of dealing with it since it seems to be a compartmentalised problem.

Hate to tell you this but self esteem is a all-or-nothing deal, you either have it or you don't. Compartmentalizing certain areas of esteem competency does not enhance your overall state what so ever. Notice that you did say that there's room for improvement for your esteem in general; there's no hiding it.

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I appreciate your input into this matter and will still browse through the site anyway - has some really good interesting stuff.

My suggestion is to work on those "general" esteem issues first. Your success there will enhance your comfort levels in other areas. This would be especially true if you pursued personal interests where your growth is based solely on your efforts and not on the reactions of others. Baby steps.