Quantum leap between 6s and 7s?

[Zarky]

So I wanted to know if this were the case for everyone or just me:

At this point in my life I have no problem landing and banging and keeping 6s and below interested. No problem. In fact I have 4 of them I text with every couple of days and could call any of them up and bang them no problem, I've had sex with all of them before. They text me and sometimes offer to take me out to dinner and this and that. I'm not really that interested in them because they're 6s, but they'll do in a pinch.

HOWEVER, when it comes to just one notch higher, 7s, I have a very difficult time attracting and banging and keeping them around. I don't know if it's me, or them, or both.

So to me, 1-6 is a smooth linear difference, 1s are obviously incredibly easy to pull if for some reason you'd want to, and it gets slightly more and more difficult up to and including 6s, though 6s for me at this time aren't very difficult. However, then there's a break in the progression and 7s are an entire quantum leap higher in difficulty. And of course 8s and higher... well I hardly even see them around but I haven't even really tried with them. Currently I just want to work 7s into my life then I'll go higher.

So my question is: do other guys experience this same quantum-leap issue between 6s and 7s (or any other numbers for that matter)? Or for them are 7s just another step higher than 6s?

I'd like to work on 7s now before I try to move up to 8s and above. Is this quantum difference between 6s and 7s inherent in the women themselves or is it just my perspective?

Looking for experiences from others who might have noticed this same phenomenon in their lives. Thx.

 

[Nutz]

So I wanted to know if this were the case for everyone or just me:

At this point in my life I have no problem landing and banging and keeping 6s and below interested. No problem. In fact I have 4 of them I text with every couple of days and could call any of them up and bang them no problem, I've had sex with all of them before. They text me and sometimes offer to take me out to dinner and this and that. I'm not really that interested in them because they're 6s, but they'll do in a pinch.

HOWEVER, when it comes to just one notch higher, 7s, I have a very difficult time attracting and banging and keeping them around. I don't know if it's me, or them, or both.

So to me, 1-6 is a smooth linear difference, 1s are obviously incredibly easy to pull if for some reason you'd want to, and it gets slightly more and more difficult up to and including 6s, though 6s for me at this time aren't very difficult. However, then there's a break in the progression and 7s are an entire quantum leap higher in difficulty. And of course 8s and higher... well I hardly even see them around but I haven't even really tried with them. Currently I just want to work 7s into my life then I'll go higher.

So my question is: do other guys experience this same quantum-leap issue between 6s and 7s (or any other numbers for that matter)? Or for them are 7s just another step higher than 6s?

I'd like to work on 7s now before I try to move up to 8s and above. Is this quantum difference between 6s and 7s inherent in the women themselves or is it just my perspective?

Looking for experiences from others who might have noticed this same phenomenon in their lives. Thx.

You are probably a 6 or so yourself. Only advice I can give you is to get more attractive and improve your game.

 

[Solomon]

ayeee

You are probably a 6 or so yourself. Only advice I can give you is to get more attractive and improve your game.

Agreed since I put on 20 pounds, Seven's have been harder to come by, sure I can bang an average girl or lower with ease, but a lot of booze has to be involved

yikes

 

[Maxtro]

Just because somebody had to do it.

 

[Zarky]

You are probably a 6 or so yourself. Only advice I can give you is to get more attractive and improve your game.

Well sure but you're not answering the question.

The question is NOT, "Why are more attractive chicks harder for me to get," but rather, "Why is there is a weird ledge where 6s are incredibly easy to get whereas 7s are an entire leap more difficult?"

If anyone can understand what I'm asking and thinks he has a theory, then I look forward to hearing from him.

 

[jophil28]

Well sure but you're not answering the question.

The question is NOT, "Why are more attractive chicks harder for me to get," but rather, "Why is there is a weird ledge where 6s are incredibly easy to get whereas 7s are an entire leap more difficult?"

If anyone can understand what I'm asking and thinks he has a theory, then I look forward to hearing from him.

IT is because 7's and above are well aware of their market value. They adopt an 'attitide'' just because they can.. That small group of women bask in the attention spotlight daily. They know they turn heads and they know that they can wriggle a finger and most men will jump forward.
Most of these women have also successfully attracted, controlled and rejected very attractive men in the past( chumps in suits) so they have a highly inflated opinion of their own value. These woman are typically convinced that they are entitled to a model handsome, tall, wealthy husband and they are not going to "settle " for less.

Nutz's advice above is good. Raising your own perceived market value is essential if you want to penetrate their shield.

 

[Zarky]

So you're saying it's them... that when a woman reaches a level-7 on the attractiveness scale that they are treated largely differently than 6s. I could see how this would be.

Your theory then is that men actually have a leap that they make, treating all 6s and below (so-so in looks down to hideous) as more or less the same.

Then the next question would be, are 7s closer to 8s than they are to 6s? That is, is there one "leap" going from 6 to 7 and that's it, or are there other leaps going from 7 to 8, 8 to 9, etc.?

For example:

 

[jophil28]

Yes, the game for 7's and above is largely one of selection.

 

[jophil28]

Then the next question would be, are 7s closer to 8s than they are to 6s? That is, is there one "leap" going from 6 to 7 and that's it, or are there other leaps going from 7 to 8, 8 to 9, etc.?

For example:

You make a good point and ask a very relevant question-
I believe that there is a greater gap between a 6 and 7 than a 7 and an 8/9.
THis is reflected on our descriptors of women above and below the arbitrary line at about 6.5....
Women under that line are called, sweet, cute, pretty...and so on.
Women above 7 are called hot, smokin' etc.

Is that your graph? It probably reflects most guy's experiences.

 

[Warrior74]

If your a fan of Roissy, he judged the Duke F List chic a 7, and I've heard that on other sites. A seven can bed a top dog. She just can't keep one. So yah, a less than top dog guy is gonna have a hard time with her.

Probably the same way a 4 or 5 can hook up with you but can't keep you.

Everyone wants what they can get but can't keep.

 

[Zarky]

Is that your graph? It probably reflects most guy's experiences.

Yes I whipped that up on MS Paint. :yes:

If that's how it is, then that explains a whole lot...

There are the "elite" girls who comprise 7-10, with 7s being at the bottom of that "elite" circle.

Then there's the "average" girls who are probably 4-6, with 6s being the best of those. They've probably given up on the top dogs.

And then there are the "untouchables," 3 and below who really have it rough. There's probably a huge leap between 3 and 4 too, although most guys don't even bother to recognize it because they want nothing to do with 3s and below.

Interesting.

EDIT:
Reached my max posts for today so I have to edit this one rather than post a new one. Some poster named "bigjohnson" has posted a totally unhelpful post below, let's not let it derail the conversation. Most guys will judge most women to be roughly the same attractiveness, to say otherwise is foolery. His post is meaningless but I'd hate to see it derail the thread into proving him wrong.

There's seldom any consensus as to what a 6 or 7 or 8 is, let alone anything else hinging on it.

that's bull ****.

 

[jophil28]

All one needs to do is look at Tiger Woods as a GREAT example of this. Women would rather share a winner than have a loser all to herself.

Just wondering how many women want to bed him now that he is no longer "a winner" either in his personal life or professionally.

Same guy - changed circumstances.
Now there is a clue to winning The Game..

 

[zekko]

I'm going to disagree and say the big jump is between the 7s and the 8s. Not that they're harder to get or bang so much, but they're harder to keep. Because they have so many options. There's always some "new, exciting' guy sniffing around.

 

[Rollo Tomassi]

6's make great FBs, but you're probably in a similar situation to the 7s you're gunning for. The problem is 6s wont do. You know you could probably get with a 7 (possibly higher with effort), maybe you even have on occasion, but you over commit, get ONEitis, revert back to an AFC mindset thinking you had to pedestalize her to keep her, etc. But you tasted that 7, however briefly, and now you know 6s wont suffice beyond occasional convenience sex.

The 7 in question most likely has had her encounters with the occasional 8 and 9 alphas that considered her with the same value that you apply to your FB 6s. She's had the 8 and is looking for the key to locking one in. ƒucking guys on her level or lower may be a convenience for her, but she thinks the 8-9 is going to be viable for an LTR.

 

[Colossus]

My take:

Your own looks do play a role in what level of hotness you can pull with regularity. It's not the sole factor obviously, but it gets your foot in the door.

Second, there is a constitutional difference between 6's and 7's. I think most guys here would agree. I dont think it has anything to do with Danger's alpha theory; rather it is a product of the amount of attention they receive and how they measure themselves up to other girls. They have greater a sense of dating 'entitlement'.

Personally, I have had many 7's and a good handful of 8's. 6's are quite easy to keep as FBs and 7's are doable for me albeit the dynamics are different. I consider myself a solid 7, although I have been approached by 8's and even the odd 9 (rare).

If you are a 7 on the dude-scale the only rate-limiting factors preventing you from pulling 8's and better are social status, earning level, and general game skillset.

 

[thegator39]

I don't know why my post was deleted, but I think it's applicable. It all depends on the style of the woman in question (preppy, wigger, goth, artsy/intellectual, etc.), how she sees herself and what she thinks she deserves.

I see women that I wouldn't rate higher than a 7 but are with guys that appear to be 10s...because the woman has the street tough look that compliments the muscular bad boy. In fact I see this a lot. I also see shy/quiet/cute women with guys that appear to be the same...goths with goths, diva looking women with boy band looking men, etc. This is especially applicable under the age of 30, before money/career become a big factor.

I was at an expensive hotel recently, one of those things you'd see in a soft core porn, and saw lots of 30/40 year old 8s and above with average to below average looking men...but the difference is 1.)Those women are looking to settle down. 2.)Those guys likely have money, or some combination of 1 and 2.

 

[thegator39]

Pretty much the same for me..."No way" "I'd hang around with her/do her if she were making it really easy for me" and "I really like her/want to do her."

 

[Kailex]

To the last two posters in this thread:

The Mature Man
A forum for DJs at least 25 years old to discuss problems, situations, and techniques UNIQUE to older and more mature men.

In other words:

LIST YOUR AGES.

 

[Warrior74]

Yeah that happens around here. All I said was that I think the numbered grades thing is so subjective as to be nearly meaningless, and that guys tend to have a few bins they put women into, in reality.

For me, I have basically 3 bins, the "no way" bin, the "I'll hit it" bin, and the "I'll make it a regular deal" bin. Guys I know in real life have similar guidelines, either express or implied.

Yah I agree with that...for me its usually hell no, yes, and hell yes. And there are degrees between them...but when I see a chic that's what usually goes through my mind.

 

[Jitterbug]

Sounds like you're about a 7. Which means you can effortlessly date 6 and below, but women at 7 (your level) and above are much harder, due to their hypergamous nature.

I currently have the same problem: 5s and 6s are dead easy, but 7s are real tough, and very rarely I'd get a date with an 8.

I do agree with what others have said about the issue with ratings though. To reword the above: I find dating & banging plain janes or cute girls easy, but it gets very hard when it comes to girls that many other guys consider hot.

In my (very large) social circle, I'm probably rated as a 7. Well known, liked by many, invited to everything, but not quite one of the rockstar guys - who often date or string along those hot girls.

I only know one solution, which is to become a better man: tighter game, richer, higher status, better physique. All 4 are going up for me, so I'll just have to be patient.