Quantum leap between 6s and 7s?

[jophil28]

I only know one solution, which is to become a better man: tighter game, richer, higher status, better physique. All 4 are going up for me, so I'll just have to be patient.

Yep ^
Fortunately your appeal to women is easily increased by making small changes.
Little things mean a lot to women, and make no mistake, their radar is always operating. You are always under observation and evaluation even if you are not aware of this.
Try a new cut and style, work on that walk and stand with an open chest , a straight back and drop YOUR SHOULDERS.
When you enter a room, walk into the center and stop and turn around. Claim the space. Leave the side walls to the betas and the wallflowers.
These actions will lift your rating by those women present by up to one whole point .

 

[Jitterbug]

Try a new cut and style, work on that walk and stand with an open chest , a straight back and drop YOUR SHOULDERS.
When you enter a room, walk into the center and stop and turn around. Claim the space. Leave the side walls to the betas and the wallflowers.
These actions will lift your rating by those women present by up to one whole point .

Interestingly, those are the same things I'm taught for dance performances. That's how a dancer would walk out in front of an audience, have the dominant & confident posture and own the space i.e the dance floor.

I haven't thought to measure exactly how well that's helped me with women yet, but those tips have helped me nail a couple of important interviews this year for a promotion, which I got.

 

[thegator39]

My problem is attracting a woman that's at all my type (my type can vary but usually aren't models or anything.) Only once has a girl that's my type shown obvious interest in me. As far as getting checked out, I know women can be secretive about it, but women never look in my direction (which I suppose is an upgrade from when I looked younger and also showed my lack of confidence and they'd point and laugh at me or look at me like I was Jason Voorhees.) But indifference isn't much better.

 

[Zarky]

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[Zarky]

Here's the thing: if, in fact, 7s and above are sort of in their own "elite" class, can a guy have them swarm around him like 6s will?

Let me put it this way: Could a guy who's a 9, say a handsome, smart, funny, successful guy, have 8s swarming around him like I have 6s? Or is it that once you get into the elite-girl range, there is no swarming?

There must be swarming even at that elite level right? There must be. I'm just not privy to it because I'm not in it and don't know any guys who are.

But it would be interesting to be in that elite circle, wouldn't it? A guy like, say, Russel Brand, who I assume banged tons of chicks who were higher than 6s.

EDIT:

Yes, turns out he had tons of real hot women swarming him, such as this one who could arguably be called a 10, or at least a 9:

http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&rlz=&q=Teresa+Palmer

 

[jophil28]

Interestingly, those are the same things I'm taught for dance performances. That's how a dancer would walk out in front of an audience, have the dominant & confident posture and own the space i.e the dance floor.

Yep, exactly . Dance training is where I also learned those actions. 20 years of Ballroom and Latin has delivered more women than I can handle.

 

[Zarky]

Who knows, plz don't hijack the thread bud.

 

[guru1000]

It's all subjective. I'd venture to guess at your age you are targeting women ages 25-30. If you're a 6 in the looks department, you better bring more to the table. Women of your target age range are looking for a man with financial promise. Most men make the mistake in believing game can attract women. It doesn't; it keeps them.

Men 30 and over, want to find your comfort-point range?

Looks- This is your base number.

Take your annual income and divide it by 100,000; add that number to your base.

Take your net worth and divide it by 500,000; add that number to your base. With a negative net worth, subtract.

Social proof; add one point.

Educated; add half-point.

High-profile career -Add a point; Low-profile- Subtract a point.

The point system reflects in your mannerisms. This is where your harem lies. Enjoy!

 

[thegator39]

zarky...i rarely see a woman like the one in the pic, if at all, even in the big city. that's what frustrates me at the moment...that i'm looking at women that are in the 5-8 range (depending on your taste...but likely wouldn't be any higher than 8 to the average guy) and not getting results.

I'm not ugly and I dress well. When I had online profiles, I'd have lots of UGs and fatties wanting me, and the 6-7-8s saying "you're not ugly, but you're not what I'm looking for."

My brother is a 9/10 and women of all attraction levels gawk at him. The thing is, it gets him in the door, but only recently has he had success. Before he was shy and clueless as to how to talk to women. Now he flirts with them...but even then, while he can get a date with a 8/9, she has other options comparable to him.

guru: I'm open to any age 18-30. I look like a young 24-25...like you can tell I'm 24/25 but I look boyish, so I do see 18ish women looking at me occasionally. I'm just looking for friends/casual dating/hook-up. It would take a lot for me to enter something serious.

 

[Zarky]

Does that mean that 8-10s call the shots no matter what? Can super hot women even be gamed at all? Or is it pure luck + hunkiness + wealth to land and keep one?

The only 8 I've ever dated was a Brazilian girl who'd only been in the country a few years and didn't speak English very well, so her confidence probably wasn't sky-high (or maybe it's something about Brazilian chicks). Dumped her because she insisted on condoms even after we'd been dating for awhile.

I'm curious what men who have dated lots of 7s and above have to say about this.

 

[Jitterbug]

Well there's one guy in my social circle who has 7s and 8s swarming around him just like you described. He's fairly good looking & charming, has an attractive media / TV job and a very good dancer. He's officially in a relationship with a girl that other guys would kill for, but still strings along at least 4 hotties that I know of, and I believe they know about each other as well (or delude themselves into not believing that the others exist).

And that guy isn't even a celebrity.

From what I've seen of, say, elite footballers in my little country, they all have super hot HB9/10 girlfriends and a long queue of similarly hot girls wanting to be in that position, just so they could enjoy being a superstar-by-association on those red carpet events their boys get invited to.

 

[Zarky]

Interesting, so then would that mean that in general 8s and above are pretty much off-limits to average shmoes like myself (and most guys) no matter how tight our game is, unless we're willing to marry one and happen to catch one who's tried all the uber-elite guys and is now settling?

I mean, if the most I can hope for without being rich and/or famous (both of which I'll never be) is to have a swarm of average girls, then I think it would be good to know now. That way I can shift my energies to other things.

I still think it's weird that there seems to be a cutoff line between a swarm of 6s and NO 7s. Still haven't figured that one out.

 

[Jitterbug]

Well, the only type of not rich not famous (relatively) guys I've seen with hotties is the artist (often musicians). But while they have no problem dating hotties, they don't get to string along a whole bunch of them like the superstars can.

As you've figured out earlier, Game only gets you so far. Status & fame easily trump Game. The elite footballers I mentioned are often dumb arses and wouldn't know the first thing about seducing women, but they don't need to. They have top quality poons lining up already.

I don't believe the PUA gurus who tell people that Game and Game alone would get you top babes. This includes guys not selling anything like Roissy, who says Game is its own status. Whenever those gurus post up pictures of girls they game, or girls (non-celeb) they consider hot, they always turn out to be fairly average to somewhat attractive - i.e what average joes like ourselves would be able to get. In many cases I've read about, it's not even Game that got them those average girls - it's the classic method: alcohol and drugs.

That's not to say a not rich not famous guy couldn't land a hot babe - it does happen in real life - but that guy wouldn't get away with having many of them eating off his hands.

 

[zekko]

Does that mean that 8-10s call the shots no matter what? Can super hot women even be gamed at all? Or is it pure luck + hunkiness + wealth to land and keep one?

That's why I say the real leap is from 7s to 8s. HB7s are (to me) your average pretty girl. Yes, she's hot, because she's not fat, and the female body is hot. The 8s and 9s are the elites as I've always understood it.
Have things gotten so bad (have all the girls porked out so much) that 7s are now considered elite? A 7 should be your standard pretty girl.

how about when the girl actually doesnt go after something better, but instead of you (who you really didnt even give it a great effort) she gets a guy who is not as good looking as you, does not have your social status or is not as nearly as a popular person

Sounds like the girl is just bored of the original guy and wants something else. She's not that attached to her first guy, so she is willing to swing to someone else, anyone, just because of the novelty of him. Someone new is exciting, compared to Mr. Boring, even if he's not the greatest catch on the planet.

 

[ken chang]

Interesting, so then would that mean that in general 8s and above are pretty much off-limits to average shmoes like myself (and most guys) no matter how tight our game is, unless we're willing to marry one and happen to catch one who's tried all the uber-elite guys and is now settling?

I mean, if the most I can hope for without being rich and/or famous (both of which I'll never be) is to have a swarm of average girls, then I think it would be good to know now. That way I can shift my energies to other things.

Just get her drunk, man. Not wasted, but a little tipsy to lower her b!tch shield.

On the dude level, I'm probably a 6-7(I think), but I got a HB9 once a long time ago 'coz she was a little drunk. And this was before I ever learned anything about GAME.

I got a HB6 GF now, and I wont cheat on her with a girl of a lower or same level.

I'm working on improving my looks and finance right now to try and get a higher level girl(my last haircut backfired on me though so now I'm a level lower. Dammit.)

 

[Warrior74]

Exactly, when I see a thread like this the first thing through my mind is "waste of time" followed by "dating isn't baseball". I guess the core contention, that at some point women move out of your league, at least in their own mind, is probably valid but to tie that to some imaginary number is silly.

Even with baseball you can say, that guy sucks, that guy is good, that guy is great. Or you can rattle off stats. Same thing. It's slightly nerdy and the problem with numbers is that it's subjective. Everyone doesn't have the same mental picture of what 7 or 8 is. or a 4 or 5. But its embedded in the culture here...not gonna change that.

 

[thegator39]

Not to hijack the thread, but I'm having trouble even landing the regular standard pretty girls...the ones better than the average fattie or UG, but not a model. I had an ex who was like that, but I also met her by chance, and happened to be her physical type. She chose me, in other words. I did the work, calling her, but it was obvious that she was interested.

The problem is, as has been said before, even the standard pretty girls have lots of options. I have an online friend that would rank as an UG4 to most guys on this site (not butt ugly, but not pretty and kind of chubby) and she has tons of offers of attractive men all the time. All she has to do is call them up and they'll be wherever she is for NSA. Yes, I know, they're using her as a *** dumpster and gaming hotter girls on the side, but still, it shows a woman's power. And if that's a 4, what power does a 5-6-7 have?

 

[Zarky]

The issue here is as you say, the numbers are purely subjective and therefor only roughly meaningful. Essentially they imply a degree of precision that does not exist.

Ok dude we get that you don't believe that guys can agree on attractiveness ratings for women, now quit trolling my thread and go elsewhere.

I'm an atheist, I don't believe in god, but if I went on a bunch of christian sites and posted on every thread, "But there is no god," they'd call me a troll and ban me, as they should.

Here's an internet tip: if you don't believe in the underlying maxims of a thread, DON'T POST IN IT. Now GTFO so those of us who do believe that men can agree on womens' attractiveness ratings can continue our discussion.

Thanks.

 

[thegator39]

Zarky, I think men can agree on a woman's general attractiveness, but one man's 6 is another man's 10. In other words, I could post a picture of 10 women on here that most guys on here would agree is an UG 1-4...and I could post pics of Keeley Hazell looking women and just about every man on here would agree that she's a 10...but other than that, for example, I think Roz from Frasier is a 10...and I've heard guys rank her as a 5 or 6 even when she was in her prime, and a lot of guys rank her a 7/8, while some guys agree with me that she's a 10.

That being said, most guys would agree on some level that a woman like Roz is "attractive" while a woman like Rosie O Donnell is not.

What frustrates me is when I'm going for a girl who clearly isn't in that 9/10 category to most guys, and she's acting like she's entitled to whatever she wants.

 

[Zarky]

Again we're not here to discuss that, you can take that to a different thread. And we're not here to discuss "this one girl." We're discussing general principles about women of certain attractiveness levels. If you don't like the discussion, start your own in another thread.