Providing for Women

[Scaramouche]

I'm a horrible painter. Looking for a job?

Hi Rick,
@Gamish is pretty good with the hairy stick!

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

Men want to have it all, the best of all worlds. We want a girl to act like a whxre and a slvt to us, a decent wifey material and like a prude to everyone else; sometimes this can even be achieved in reality when you get a girl young, lock her down and train her right.

In sane traditional societies, these functions were somewhat separated; there was a reservoir of marriageable "good girls" that at least kept up appearances of being modest and chaste, and a reservoir of slvts and whxres to fool around with before, while, and after chasing and marrying the good girl.

And that is as it should be; that strikes the right human balance. Never mind that some of the "good girls" would be the ones sneaking out at night to suck off the village thug in the hayloft, or else be actual prudes and harridans once they've secured the ring; or that some few of the sluts and whxres really do have the proverbial heart of gold as well as the choice luscious bubble popping out of their skirts or more recently jeans. The whole setup was never easy and never guaranteed anyone's happiness in either the short or the long term, no matter what the would-be "patriarchy" nostalgia mongers would like to claim. But it had some basic sanity and that is all one can ask for.

Now, the reservoir of marriageables in the West has appeared to shrink to almost nothing; and too many of the slvts are inked up, either fat or masculine/excessively athletic, lack and get repulsed by doing any homemaker skills and absurdly can’t and available only to pinnacle alphas and bad boys. That is not a recipe for male happiness or sanity. It is also true that through the miracles of superior nutrition and American dentistry percolating through the rest of the world, there is more luscious young pvssy, especially the deliriously succulent white/black, latina and white/Asian blends, than ever before; but for your typical guy that is only a case of water, water everywhere and not a drop to drink. And now it's getting so even looking at this pvssy is borderline criminal or makes you a "creep" unless of course you are the kind of alpha or natural who just takes it as a matter of course.

None of this is changing anytime soon, and none of it signifies the end of the world or of Western civ, either. The world in almost every way is a more interesting, exciting, various and lively place than it's ever been; but the sexual marketplace in the west is in a funny and unfortunate state, and the men who bemoan it are not wrong to do so.


We never chose the player life. The player life forces itself on us.

I bet my fvckin car that the majority of men here would be willing to shake off the player's lifestyle if they manage to find one such feminine traditional girl and they have society's insurance and reward/punishment system to encourage her fidelity.

But because that's a dream long lost, we are left with the only choice of pumping and dumping slvts until we run into such a girl or die alone till the white lights take us.

And then there's no insurance that the girl will not leave you at a moment's notice. People vastly more skilled than me can attest to this. So to keep your skills honed and your insurance plan ready you also have no choice but to game girls on the side, ready for that moment when your "feminine" girl goes werewolf and monkey branching out.

Dating/LTR/marriage is a fvcking game of prisoner's dilemma these days. Both side wants to protect his/her own ass and are afraid the other will squeal. So they squeal first to keep their options open.

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

For a woman it should always be the following priority list:

1. Wife/lover to husband
2. Partner/friend to husband
3. Parent

Why? Because assuming you get married for life, your spouse is the single most important person and relationship in your life. More important than her parents, his parents, more important than the children.

The sexual chemistry and lover interaction between husband and wife is top priority for a reason. That's the glue that keeps you attracted.

Out of that sexual attraction & intimacy grows the partnership & friendship that gets the couple through thick & thin times.

Parenting is the 3rd priority for two very good reasons. First, being a parent should be temporary relative to being a spouse (often now however that is no longer the case.) Secondly, children need to learn what a healthy marriage is supposed to be by observing their parents' connection and commitment to each other.

When parenting/children are given the number 1 priority that creates many problems, and choosing a spouse based on sexual desire as top priority is the best way to keep those priorities straight.

Choosing a patterned, cultured, intelligent woman to breed with is crucial as well.
When it comes to choosing the mother of your children then you need to remember that she's going to be providing half of their DNA, not just being a caretaker to them.

This goes toward not only looks and health but behavior and predispositions too. It is definitely a mix of nature and nurture but genetics are the ace of trumps.
The apple does not fall too far from the tree, as they say.

Women described as "having gotten their sh1t together" once they became mothers are a long bet to gamble your future and the future of your children on. How long will it take for your children to "get their sh1t together"?
That is for another potential striking thread though.

 

[Giovanni SouthSide]

Women (and men) aren't raised like this anymore. My mother and father are also as you describe and are still together. There was a working relationship on top of the romantic one. These days, most women are highly self-centered and think the man should just be bending over backwards to make her life a cakewalk. And most men (not here at SS of course) are blue-pilled and thirsty enough to do everything they can to oblige. What we saw in childhood doesn't really exist too much anymore - unfortunately.

I have thrown this around before and I will say it again for the members who didn’t catch it.

“Women are only going to be brought to heel when our societal systems no longer subsidise their financial ability to be independent. When men can legally be hired preferentially, when welfare is no more, when divorce courts go from white-knight to black knight and when whxres have to pay for their own abortions, women will fall in line with no shackles and beatings required”

 

[BeExcellent]

I have a meeting and then will comment. Let's just say sitting around eating

Choosing a patterned, cultured, intelligent woman to breed with is crucial as well.
When it comes to choosing the mother of your children then you need to remember that she's going to be providing half of their DNA, not just being a caretaker to them.

This goes toward not only looks and health but behavior and predispositions too. It is definitely a mix of nature and nurture but genetics are the ace of trumps.
The apple does not fall too far from the tree, as they say.

Women described as "having gotten their sh1t together" once they became mothers are a long bet to gamble your future and the future of your children on. How long will it take for your children to "get their sh1t together"?
That is for another potential striking thread though.

Well the kids thing is on the parents. You do have to raise them right. No small task.

 

[LTG71]

30 years? D@mn, bro! Any tips for married men?

Must have life goals that are matched and work together to achieve them. Also an agreed division of responsibilities and backup the other when needed. Becoming parents will test the sh!t out of your partnership. You either become stronger or flaws get amplified. Luckily we both wanted kids and performed like a team when the kids were born. We had twins the second time around so we were out numbered. Also expect to work things out and find a solution. Spend time together but also apart. As much as my wife and kids can drive me crazy sometimes, I don‘t know what I would do without them. This realization hits harder once you get older and have to deal with aging parents and kids growing up.

 

[LTG71]

I have thrown this around before and I will say it again for the members who didn’t catch it.

“Women are only going to be brought to heel when our societal systems no longer subsidise their financial ability to be independent. When men can legally be hired preferentially, when welfare is no more, when divorce courts go from white-knight to black knight and when whxres have to pay for their own abortions, women will fall in line with no shackles and beatings required”

In the past there were more imposed consequences. Like familial and/or religious shame. You were a shame to the family if you were a 304 or purposeless man. Also “doing the right thing” in the face of whatever god you believed in. I’m not overly religious but it did instill morals and rules to follow that seemed to serve a good purpose. Once it became public that priests were molesting kids in the thousands, people lost faith in that system. I‘ve always found it a ridiculous idea when a priest would giving out marriage advice and he’s not even allowed to sleep with women, talk about the ultimate armchair quarterback.

Women seem to have far less consequences than men in terms of financial safety nets. Love when I hear female celebrities having to pay husbands in divorce proceedings. Then they start crying unfairness. Welcome to the circus ladies, you screamed equality and here is a taste of it. Abortions are another safety net for women. Gives them an out for making bad choices and being irresponsible. How many women do you personally know that have been raped or had
incestuous situations, for me, ZERO. Gives them the freedom to fool around, but for men you are financially responsible for 18 years If you made a mistake. This equality experiment still favors women and nothing is going to change until the scales truly become balanced.

 

[DJ Novice]

Women are only useful for men for three things:

1. Raising children and being a good mother to them. If like me you are divorced and have kids of your own then this no longer applies.

2. Companionship. This only applies to guys who are needy and have nothing else going on in their life. Yourself, your kids and your mates provide better companions than any woman ever will. Excluding sex, you can do pretty much every activity that you to with a woman by yourself.

Most things women enjoy doing in their spare time I do not. I enjoy my own company. Freedom and independence trumps everything. Once you get used to and enjoy living by yourself there’s no going back to a live in relationship or craving the company of a woman. Loneliness only comes from a lack of intimacy and connection which is where most relationships end up in the long run. Women are only good company in small amounts. Then they give me the sh*ts.
The companionship aspect from women really isn’t important to me.

3. S*x. Most women don’t want to hear this but truly this is the only universal thing men want from them apart from 1. above. I’m no different. Unfortunately the frequency and/or quality of s*x declines over time due to many reasons including hedonic adaptation, familiarity, predictability, lack of competition anxiety, lack of variety which all men crave, selfishness and laziness. It’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when and how long it takes. The law of diminishing marginal returns in s*x is indisputable. You can limit the rate with which it declines but it will happen. Most men will put up with a mediocre bedroom life due to limited options or the threat of financial ruin arising from divorce. It’s sad.

 

[Gamisch]

Men want to have it all, the best of all worlds. We want a girl to act like a whxre and a slvt to us, a decent wifey material and like a prude to everyone else; sometimes this can even be achieved in reality when you get a girl young, lock her down and train her right.

In sane traditional societies, these functions were somewhat separated; there was a reservoir of marriageable "good girls" that at least kept up appearances of being modest and chaste, and a reservoir of slvts and whxres to fool around with before, while, and after chasing and marrying the good girl.

And that is as it should be; that strikes the right human balance. Never mind that some of the "good girls" would be the ones sneaking out at night to suck off the village thug in the hayloft, or else be actual prudes and harridans once they've secured the ring; or that some few of the sluts and whxres really do have the proverbial heart of gold as well as the choice luscious bubble popping out of their skirts or more recently jeans. The whole setup was never easy and never guaranteed anyone's happiness in either the short or the long term, no matter what the would-be "patriarchy" nostalgia mongers would like to claim. But it had some basic sanity and that is all one can ask for.

Now, the reservoir of marriageables in the West has appeared to shrink to almost nothing; and too many of the slvts are inked up, either fat or masculine/excessively athletic, lack and get repulsed by doing any homemaker skills and absurdly can’t and available only to pinnacle alphas and bad boys. That is not a recipe for male happiness or sanity. It is also true that through the miracles of superior nutrition and American dentistry percolating through the rest of the world, there is more luscious young pvssy, especially the deliriously succulent white/black, latina and white/Asian blends, than ever before; but for your typical guy that is only a case of water, water everywhere and not a drop to drink. And now it's getting so even looking at this pvssy is borderline criminal or makes you a "creep" unless of course you are the kind of alpha or natural who just takes it as a matter of course.

None of this is changing anytime soon, and none of it signifies the end of the world or of Western civ, either. The world in almost every way is a more interesting, exciting, various and lively place than it's ever been; but the sexual marketplace in the west is in a funny and unfortunate state, and the men who bemoan it are not wrong to do so.


We never chose the player life. The player life forces itself on us.

I bet my fvckin car that the majority of men here would be willing to shake off the player's lifestyle if they manage to find one such feminine traditional girl and they have society's insurance and reward/punishment system to encourage her fidelity.

But because that's a dream long lost, we are left with the only choice of pumping and dumping slvts until we run into such a girl or die alone till the white lights take us.

And then there's no insurance that the girl will not leave you at a moment's notice. People vastly more skilled than me can attest to this. So to keep your skills honed and your insurance plan ready you also have no choice but to game girls on the side, ready for that moment when your "feminine" girl goes werewolf and monkey branching out.

Dating/LTR/marriage is a fvcking game of prisoner's dilemma these days. Both side wants to protect his/her own ass and are afraid the other will squeal. So they squeal first to keep their options open.

Absolutely. I'd even say that providing for a man is just as natural as bearing a child for a woman.

We were born to basically sacrifice ourselves so our offspring can have a "better life".BUT , due to all of this modern dating bs most men are reluctant to invest in a woman. And ive noticed that when a woman senses your hesitation you are already on borrowed time. She is here to pick a man from the BOYFRIEND STORE, and she's NOT gonna accept a man who is second guessing her.

 

[Gamisch]

A while back you stated that you couldn't understand why a man would want a LTR or gf. I totally get where you are coming from now. Makes a lot of sense for a guy that wants a family.

He keeps saying this and he has a great point.

At first I was like, "isn't that a little bit...over exaggerated. But yeah, years of ltrs and running through women left me nothing but a child with a problematic woman and oke, many sweet memories.

This whole hookup culture thing is a dead end for everyone. People make better choices when their options are limited .

 

[Manure Spherian]

He keeps saying this and he has a great point.

Thanks. As I’ve said, “girlfriend and boyfriend,” to me, is some vague designation of vague situation. Are these people serious life partners? Do they have similar long-term life aims and living together? In that case, I guess we can apply the gf-bf term, but that’s more similar to a marriage, just without a license. That I understand. The rest I believe are in the relationsh-t category, simply two adults screwing each other on borrowed time as there is no serious relationship aim.

As I’ve said elsewhere, what other men do in this area is not my business. My experience and observation tells me that most gf-bf situations are worthless. Hence my hierarchy of relationships stated elsewhere, in order:

1. Family formation/marriage (and yes, I recognize marriage as a social institution in its current form has been thoroughly degraded). Nuclear family that is, with close ties to extended family and in-laws. Alternatively something resembling marriage as described above.
2. MGTOW.
3. Casual sex.
4. Legal escort.
5. Girlfriend.

Personally I’ve gotten deep satisfaction and joy from marriage and children. But if I were a single middle-aged man the above is how I’d look at things. I see few or maybe even no reason why I would commit to a vague scenario with my time, emotion, money, energy, etc.

 

[Gamisch]

Thanks. As I’ve said, “girlfriend and boyfriend,” to me, is some vague designation of vague situation. Are these people serious life partners? Do they have similar long-term life aims and living together? In that case, I guess we can apply the gf-bf term, but that’s more similar to a marriage, just without a license. That I understand. The rest I believe are in the relationsh-t category, simply two adults screwing each other on borrowed time as there is no serious relationship aim.

As I’ve said elsewhere, what other men do in this area is not my business. My experience and observation tells me that most gf-bf situations are worthless. Hence my hierarchy of relationships stated elsewhere, in order:

1. Family formation/marriage (and yes, I recognize marriage as a social institution in its current form has been thoroughly degraded). Nuclear family that is, with close ties to extended family and in-laws. Alternatively something resembling marriage as described above.
2. MGTOW.
3. Casual sex.
4. Legal escort.
5. Girlfriend.

Personally I’ve gotten deep satisfaction and joy from marriage and children. But if I were a single middle-aged man the above is how I’d look at things. I see few or maybe even no reason why I would commit to a vague scenario with my time, emotion, money, energy, etc.

Nowadays its women who decide how WE MEN must behave and position ourselves.

And ,as you stated many times before; they want the..thug, badboy, Tyler Durden look a like, millionaire, baller, yet romantic yadiya. Thats why ,as you say , an ICT specialist walks around like he's Pablo himself, gang tats ect ,while he never stole a crumb of bread. (This goes even more for black and Latino men. Such a man will get NADA of he doesn't display some toxic /badboy traits...)

All to appease to women. These men figured out a while ago that their career is basically worthless for the TYPE of women they want and thus adjusted to become a "badboy".

At some point "society " decided that bf/gf is the way to go. And hypothetically its possible to have a ltr where both parties are well secured in the relationship. But simultaneously its worthless.

Its basically a way to keep options open in case a better deal comes along. We as men know at some point that " better" is an illusion. The loyal hb 7/6,5 who supports a man is worth a THOUSAND times more than a hb8 who makes life hard.

But it takes two to tango. We need women to make more sensible and realistic choices as well. Nowadays a hoo with a bodycount in the triple digits is considered "gf material " as soon as SHE decides she is "ready".

 

[Gamisch]

Thanks. As I’ve said, “girlfriend and boyfriend,” to me, is some vague designation of vague situation. Are these people serious life partners? Do they have similar long-term life aims and living together? In that case, I guess we can apply the gf-bf term, but that’s more similar to a marriage, just without a license. That I understand. The rest I believe are in the relationsh-t category, simply two adults screwing each other on borrowed time as there is no serious relationship aim.

As I’ve said elsewhere, what other men do in this area is not my business. My experience and observation tells me that most gf-bf situations are worthless. Hence my hierarchy of relationships stated elsewhere, in order:

1. Family formation/marriage (and yes, I recognize marriage as a social institution in its current form has been thoroughly degraded). Nuclear family that is, with close ties to extended family and in-laws. Alternatively something resembling marriage as described above.
2. MGTOW.
3. Casual sex.
4. Legal escort.
5. Girlfriend.

Personally I’ve gotten deep satisfaction and joy from marriage and children. But if I were a single middle-aged man the above is how I’d look at things. I see few or maybe even no reason why I would commit to a vague scenario with my time, emotion, money, energy, etc.

Take a look at my gf,she's the only one I got
Not much of a gf/i never seem to get a lot...

 

[Manure Spherian]

Take a look at my gf,she's the only one I got
Not much of a gf/i never seem to get a lot...

Good one!

 

[Manure Spherian]

And ,as you stated many times before; they want the..thug, badboy, Tyler Durden look a like, millionaire, baller, yet romantic yadiya. Thats why ,as you say , an ICT specialist walks around like he's Pablo himself, gang tats ect ,while he never stole a crumb of bread. (This goes even more for black and Latino men. Such a man will get NADA of he doesn't display some toxic /badboy traits...)

I actually don’t blame women for all this ultimately. I blame fathers and entertainment-media people and the educators who thoroughly brainwash them. Anyone who says that young women aren’t highly susceptible to media and impressionable has no idea what he’s talking about. The media is literally the enemy of fatherly authority.

 

[logicallefty]

Something we have talked about here on Sosuave in multiple threads. I have not read all the replies in this thread, so somebody might’ve already mentioned this. Basically, you have to always “be busy”, even when you are not. Most of us really are. But even if we aren’t we need to always be busy in her eyes. That way if she does ask us to do something, she knows that we are giving her two of those very last 2 1/2 hours in the week that we had free. Otherwise, we get sucked up in it and get little or nothing in return.

 

[Gamisch]

Re: the bolded; not so much it is bullsh1t. It exists, albeit with a short life-span. Women's affection has an end point when it comes to her romantic partners (not with her children, but that is not another story). It is just a matter of where that endpoint lies.

Most women's affection will diminish with each major commitment a man makes to her. Moving in together is the first step of diminishing return for the man. Putting a ring on her finger is the second. And having children is essentially the final nail in the coffin. You then have a background affection slider that continually decreases as time goes on. All of this can essentially be measured in how much sex the man is receiving. As time goes on, the affection/sex becomes less intensive and less frequent despite the man wanting it. Those three commitments will expedite the process tremendously so.

@The Duke is right. A man is probably best served to simply have a bunch of 2-3 year LTRs then exit once it begins to show age. I do, however, agree with you that marriage DOES have a place if the man wants children. Unfortunately, he will be losing out on his wife's affection fairly quickly after said children enter the home space.

I was in hurry but I wanted to say that this post ,especially the first paragraph is fecking GREAT!

You summed it up perfectly , clear to understand in 3 steps. And let those ironically be the steps that most bluepilled men are actually chasing. Because society

And the last sentence words basically the PRICE one might have to pay for achieving the goal of the legacy...your bloodline continues, but you'll lose the bearer of your child.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

The Modern woman cannot be humbled, only offended

 

[kleathe1]

For a woman it should always be the following priority list:

1. Wife/lover to husband
2. Partner/friend to husband
3. Parent

Why? Because assuming you get married for life, your spouse is the single most important person and relationship in your life. More important than her parents, his parents, more important than the children.

The sexual chemistry and lover interaction between husband and wife is top priority for a reason. That's the glue that keeps you attracted.

Out of that sexual attraction & intimacy grows the partnership & friendship that gets the couple through thick & thin times.

Parenting is the 3rd priority for two very good reasons. First, being a parent should be temporary relative to being a spouse (often now however that is no longer the case.) Secondly, children need to learn what a healthy marriage is supposed to be by observing their parents' connection and commitment to each other.

When parenting/children are given the number 1 priority that creates many problems, and choosing a spouse based on sexual desire as top priority is the best way to keep those priorities straight.

So where do we send money for you to start a school to teach young women this philosophy?

 

[Barrister]

I was in hurry but I wanted to say that this post ,especially the first paragraph is fecking GREAT!

You summed it up perfectly , clear to understand in 3 steps. And let those ironically be the steps that most bluepilled men are actually chasing. Because society

And the last sentence words basically the PRICE one might have to pay for achieving the goal of the legacy...your bloodline continues, but you'll lose the bearer of your child.

This is my experience (unfortunately). No matter how much I remain the "leader" or "maintain frame" (two buzz phrases around here that mean more in early stage dating and less in very long term LTRs), there are a lot of elements out of your control when it comes to LTRs and how the woman reacts to you over a very long period of time (2+ years).

However, I wouldn't give my kids up for anything. But I have learned some harsh lessons about women to get them.